That's fair. I guess when you see it and know someone has been fired for saying it, it's easier to pick up the insinuation.
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Haha, that’ll help your cause. Doesn’t matter that this woman had nothing to do with race issues from generations ago, she must be fired because she’s white and she repeated a word that sounds kind of like another word that white people aren’t allowed to say. Oh and she also said mammy one time, and everyone (or really no one, except those that have to keep the racism embers burning) knows that was used as a term for slave mothers/grandmothers.
Time to grow up, buddy.
Where did I ever say she must be fired or that I want her to be fired?
I even very plainly said I that I think it was an honest mistake and this is an over correction. And just to be clear what I meant by that is, you are going to get reactions like this to things that aren't really that bad. And yes that is due to things that happened in the past, and yes you're going to just have to deal with these types of situations blowing up because it's the bed that white people very well made for this country.
Go screw yourself, buddy.
not everything is obvious especially with a very accepted icon like Snoop. Black n White folks alike. He has the 2nd highest rap favorable rating behind Ice Cube and just in front of the Beastie Boys/Eminem. Name another rapper outside of Snoop who is hired to sell mainstream advertising all the time? I’ll wait……
He’s a highly accepted and well liked individual who has had a TON of catch phrases for decades that have been harmless in society. He’s part of our mainstream culture. Not many are thinking what Snoop is saying is racist….. ever. Why would we?
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Imagine my surprise/shock when KIA launched this advertising campaign over a decade ago. It was the most racist thing in my eyes and many around NY growing up in the 80s. Come to find out, only in the New York area that “hamster” was a derogatory term used for the black community and not much else. Should we cancel Kia?
Oh yeah…. Let’s hirer this guy full of racist phrases…
Wait, who do you think is saying Snoop is racist? This is a straw man argument since nobody is calling him Clayton Bigsby.not everything is obvious especially with a very accepted icon like Snoop. Black n White folks alike. He has the 2nd highest rap favorable rating behind Ice Cube and just in front of the Beastie Boys/Eminem. Name another rapper outside of Snoop who is hired to sell mainstream advertising all the time? I’ll wait……
He’s a highly accepted and well liked individual who has had a TON of catch phrases for decades that have been harmless in society. He’s part of our mainstream culture. Not many are thinking what Snoop is saying is racist….. ever. Why would we?
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Imagine my surprise/shock when KIA launched this advertising campaign over a decade ago. It was the most racist thing in my eyes and many around NY growing up in the 80s. Come to find out, only in the New York area that “hamster” was a derogatory term used for the black community and not much else. Should we cancel Kia?
Oh yeah…. Let’s hirer this guy full of racist phrases…
Exactly. It's pretty damn easy to understand what Snoop was saying with that phrase, and to know it's not a great idea to quote rap lyrics, especially when you are live on the air, and you have already been warned for saying something that was frankly more derogatory. It's not like this was the first incident. She seemingly doesn't learn from mistakes very well.
Come on man. I’m talking about the phrase the weatherperson used that got her fired. The majority of people HAVE NO IDEA it’s an apparent negative reference much like Kia using hamsters.
Urban Dictionary: ghetto hamster
A racial slur directed at a black child (a disposible pet).
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I used all of that basis to prove that America is comfortable with Snoop as an acceptable icon and we repeat and say things he does. In fact Im confident that Snoop doesn’t even use it for it’s a racist angle. The whole thing is BS. It’s just a way to silence yet another voice. The Pub and Dem leaders could step up and lead but they are too busy cancelling speech themselves. Losers….. all of them.
fo shizzle my nizzle
- (slang, hip-hop) More emphatic and friendly form of fo shizzle; “For sure, my friend”, used to stress the following sentence.
I don’t remember being around when this bed was made. But I don’t have enough pigment so, I guess it’s my fault. Weird how it’s ok to generalize certain races of people but not others.
Referred to an African American grandmother as someone's "Mammy".
Do you even know what the phrase means? Nobody is saying it is a negative reference. Let me reiterate, I don't think she should have been fired but to not know what he meant when he said "nizzle" is laughable. Is the career local newslady really a concerted effort to silence another voice? Really? Does she have intel on the Clintons?Come on man. I’m talking about the phrase the weatherperson used that got her fired. The majority of people HAVE NO IDEA it’s an apparent negative reference much like Kia using hamsters.
Urban Dictionary: ghetto hamster
A racial slur directed at a black child (a disposible pet).
I used all of that basis to prove that America is comfortable with Snoop as an acceptable icon and we repeat and say things he does. In fact Im confident that Snoop doesn’t even use it for it’s a racist angle. The whole thing is BS. It’s just a way to silence yet another voice. The Pub and Dem leaders could step up and lead but they are too busy cancelling speech themselves. Losers….. all of them.
fo shizzle my nizzle
- (slang, hip-hop) More emphatic and friendly form of fo shizzle; “For sure, my friend”, used to stress the following sentence.
Lol "my friend" is doing a lot of work in that sentence, by the way. The circumstance matters here. Would friends and acquaintances be offended if you dropped a "fo shizzle my nizzle" out at a bar or group setting? Probably not. They'd probably think you're corny because that hasn't been popular in like a decade. But that isn't your audience on a damn news broadcast.
As a general rule: if you're 50+ and white, probably best to not quote rappers.
Exactly. I'm 48 and think I'm fairly sharp, but I never quote current pop or rap music lyrics. They use slang I'm not familiar with and I know to be cautious.
Again, she had been warned about a similar instance in the past, and she is on live TV. It's your job not to offend and to be measured with your words.
So…. Imagine my surprise along with people I connected to in the NY area in the 1980-90s that KNOW hamster is a massively derogatory reference to black people.
A major automotive manufacturer along with a reputable advertising company put HAMSTERS using the model SOUL, dressed as RAPPERS with large GOLD CHAINS driving around the CITY and it was totally fine with most of the country. It actually offended me TBH because it was so direct.
Well, since apparently most of America simply didn’t know, the commercials continued.
I’m totally dialed in…. All the time…. I call it like I see it.
America is very comfortable with Snoop. The majority of people radar is down with Snoop because of how ACCEPTED he is. That is my point. It doesn’t exonerate behavior but the average American is very poor at knowing what they are doing.
I mean we are fine with his DIRECT USE of marijuana and innuendo of smoking it in the commercials for decades. An actual federal crime is perpetuated and everyone is fine with it. People’s guard is down and a lot of people don’t know better.
She actually said something about a reporter's "grandmammy" making pies or something. The whole situation is ridiculous. As @GilaMonsta says, it's the world we live in. But more people should be asking whether it's the world we should have.
It doesn't matter whether you were actually around or not. We are a society, community, a nation, and the doings of our forefathers directly impact our experience today, just as our actions will do the same for future generations.
If you do not feel that we are those things stated above, then ok, that's its own set of issues. If you do feel that we are, then everyone has some responsibility to make our community whole.
Hand up, I didn't know hamster was derogatory so I probably wouldn't have run that campaign. But it's also not the same scenario in terms of pervasiveness.
I don't know what the collective radar has to do with anything. Again, it is simple context clues. Nothing Snoop said was racist so it's not like a guard has to be up. That also doesn't give you free license to quote anything he says.
I don't think she should be fired as that feels excessive, but ignorance is becoming less and less of a crutch to fall back on. If you don't understand what "nizzle" means, it's because you are trying not to know.
Exactly…. And neither is using hamster in a commercial apparently.
We are saying the same things here. Couple that with a campaign that CLEARLY is directed toward a specific culture, it makes you realize that a multibillion company, their quality control, their advertising company and it was FINE WITH EVERYONE who put it on TV.
Does it mean they were all racists? Or simply didn’t know like yourself and chose to run with it because they saw no issue?
It was super clear to me that the Hamster was racist in every way. Go look up Ghetto Hamster.
“Fo Shizzle My Nizzle” used by an accepted non controversial icon(in the last 20 years and outside of THC use) tied with Martha Stewart and major brands can easily sound like a cheesy catch phrase and not racist to people.
If you’re gonna use the ignorance can’t be a crutch theme(which I agree to an extent), you got to weight it with the fact it doesn’t apply to every case.
(The Hillsdale CONSERVATIVE College CANCELLED their curriculum license use to the Tallahassee Charter school because of them getting the principal to resign over the David statue. They stood up to their own over what’s right.)
Why do I bring that up? Even if you find a naked statue offensive( like Fo Shizzle My Nizzle), it very well may not be to everyone.
But a principal is out of job even when the vast majority of people and the stewards of the curriculum that school is using agree that it’s OK.
I looked up ghetto hamster and it's abhorrent. That is a much more egregious situation than wannabe Paula Deen.
These tangents you keep going on are not allegorical to the situation. I have absolutely no clue what you're trying to get across with the statue of David stuff.
For the last time, the phrase isn't racist. It uses a derivation of a word that has extremely negative connotations in some contexts. It is not hard arithmetic to get from nizzle to what word he actually meant.
I get that it sounds like a fun phrase and that Snoop is pretty unobjectionable (although that could probably be debated with some of his lyrics and love for weed), but that also doesn't mean you should be quoting him on live television.
I agree we’re a community and our environment is the result of those that came before us. I don’t think we should be held accountable for things people did before us just because we have the same skin color as them.
And I definitely think canceling/firing/etc someone for something as trivial as using the word nizzle or mammy is absurd and hurts the ability for people to reasonably discuss race relations. The list of words white people aren’t allowed to say seems to expand each day. If more black people would stand up publicly and say stuff like this is insanity, I think more white people would be willing to listen when there are actual issues worth discussing.
Does "nizzle" really mean anything, though? It's like third order removed from an actually bad word. It kind of seems like telling people they shouldn't say "gee willickers" because it's being used in place of an explicit exclamation. Don't you know that "gee willickers" really means "g** d*mn!"? I think it's funny to replace the n-word in rap songs with "guy," or "friend," but are those bad words if they're being used in place of the n-word?
I don't disagree with you on most of this, but it's not really the black people that get up in arms in these situations. The bulk of the outrage comes from white people that feel that they have to be "allies" and are overly sensitive to these things. If you polled most black people on this, they would be way more likely to say she should be fired for being corny than racist.
I think it clearly means something. I personally don't think it is offensive since anyone using it is using it in a pretty specific context. That being said, a middle aged white lady doesn't need to be saying it on broadcast TV. And I know it was an exaggeration but no "guy" or "friend" don't become bad words when you are doing the right thing and using them as replacements for a word you know you shouldn't say.
But if you started to use "guy" or "friend" to mean the n-word by using it in its place, then they would be racial epithets- but only in that context. If you kept calling people "nizzles," then it would clearly be an epithet. Either way, I think it's basically a nonsense word when used in Snoop's phrase.
Also, I'm an expert on this because I've been to multiple Snoop concerts in Myrtle Beach, and have vivid memories of one of them where a very fat guy in an oversized shirt just kept yelling the lyrics to Outkast's "Elevators" for some reason. I also have like 4 Snoop CDs.
Also, after this thread, I went out yesterday and bought Snoop's 9 Crimes wine. So whoever came up with this marketing campaign, nice job.
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David statue - someone thought it perverted enough which put pressure to fire/resign the principal. Even though it’s acceptable by cultural standards and the creators of the curriculum the school is using.
Explain to me why the principal is now out of job? Oh, her IGNORANCE to forget putting out a Karen email that a statue viewed by a billion people could offend you.
Exactly…. It’s not racist, so why is she held to the fact it is?
Who can we quote?
- Sinatra? Known mafia conspirator. Why are we still using NY NY at NYE ball drop?
- Any founding father? Most had slaves.
- Frank Howard?
Clemson coach and CFB hall of famer Frank Howard threatened to quit if Maryland brought Darryl Hill inside Death Valley.
- God? He caused natural disasters wiping out people.
How about we quit living on EVERY SINGLE SYLLABLE of a person and determine if they truly are a piece of shit or not.
I’m on your side that it’s pretty much a nonsense word and I don’t think she meant any harm by it. I also think the outrage on it is overblown.
I’m just not on board with the “well most people don’t know what it means.” It can be a nonsense word but you still know what it means.
Let me know how that wine is I’ve been walking past it in the grocery store for months.
I didn’t know it was possible to go from “probably don’t want to say a word that’s pretty clearly the N word” to “scripture is problematic” in one chess move but you crazy SOB you did it.
It also all depends on the words of the person you are using. Frank Howard makes sense to quote if you’re talking about coaching football, less so if you’re talking desegregation or race relations.
Playing a Sinatra song is also not aligning yourself with organized crime.
All of these are super extreme examples and I’m pretty confident you knew that. Especially when I’ve already said multiple times I don’t think she should have been fired.
Give me a break….. it’s clearly NOT the N word to some to many people. That’s what this is all about. Just like if you were using hamster unknowingly doesn’t make you a racist or ignorant.
Like clearly playing Sinatra is NOT a problem.
Like referencing Frank Howard does NOT make you a racist.
Like quoting the Bible is NOT an issue.
Like learning and quoting from our country founders is NOT a problem.
If you want to roll over every time a perceived cultural violation is made, then go join the cancel parties. I read up and realized that Hamster is NOT known as a terrible reference to a significant amount of people. Does it make it OK? No. Does it mean people using it unknowingly out of ignorance are racist? No.
Ignorance is also staying in your lane being the judge and jury to what you think everyone should know when Nizzle is clearly not known to a lot of people.
Like @ChicagoTiger85 rightfully points out, substituting the nWord with friend or some other inferred term is a million times worse. It’s the intent.
The gif below is more racist than Fo Shizzle My Nizzle on several fronts.
I don't know how to tell you this but nizzle is literally a version of the N word. It doesn't make it racist but it is a fact that is where the word comes from.Give me a break….. it’s clearly NOT the N word to some to many people. That’s what this is all about. Just like if you were using hamster unknowingly doesn’t make you a racist or ignorant.
Like clearly playing Sinatra is NOT a problem.
Like referencing Frank Howard does NOT make you a racist.
Like quoting the Bible is NOT an issue.
Like learning and quoting from our country founders is NOT a problem.
If you want to roll over every time a perceived cultural violation is made, then go join the cancel parties. I read up and realized that Hamster is NOT known as a terrible reference to a significant amount of people. Does it make it OK? No. Does it mean people using it unknowingly out of ignorance are racist? No.
Ignorance is also staying in your lane being the judge and jury to what you think everyone should know when Nizzle is clearly not known to a lot of people.
Like @ChicagoTiger85 rightfully points out, substituting the nWord with friend or some other inferred term is a million times worse. It’s the intent.
The gif below is more racist than Fo Shizzle My Nizzle on several fronts.
I'm not sure why you're so fixated on this hamster thing. If I say the word hamster, there is nothing racist about it. If I call a black person a hamster, it is 100% racist because calling anyone a hamster is not a normal thing to say in any lexicon. There is a huge difference.
I have now said repeatedly I don't think she should have been fired so I am neither jury nor judge. That being said, if you are familiar enough with pop culture to say "fo shizzle my nizzle" then you should absolutely know what nizzle means. That is perfectly reasonable. That isn't to say you can't say it, but you for sure know what it means. There is a wide gap between thinking what she did is racist and thinking it might be best not to say that on TV as an out of touch white lady.
Substituting any word in for a racial slur to talk negatively about a group of people is racist, it doesn't matter what the word is. That's not even relevant to this conversation.
You have a belief that it’s reasonable that people should know that Fo Shizzle My Nizzle based on pop culture.
I have a belief that it’s reasonable that people should know that Hamster based upon growing up in the USAs largest city.
That’s what this is all about. You are being judge and jury that people should know that Fo Shizzle My Nizzle is derogatory.
I don’t and neither do CHARLAMAGNE and WHOOPI GOLDBERG either. They both support my argument. We don’t know everything.
Two high-profile media personalities have now come to Bassett’s defense.
“She can’t say, ‘Fo shizzle, my (expletive)?’ ” Charlamagne Tha God said Monday on his nationally syndicated radio program The Breakfast Club. “Oh, I guess because (it’s) a derivative of (N-word).”
Charlamagne added: “She might not even know what (N-word) means. Come on, we got to stop man. That’s not a reason to fire that woman.”
The 20-year WLBT anchor has not officially been fired, but her biography has been removed from the station’s web site.
Whoopi Goldberg weighed in on the subject yesterday on The View.
“There has to be a book of stuff that nobody could ever say, ever, ever, ever. Include everything,” she said. “The things that change, ‘You can say this, but you can’t say that, but next week you might not be able to say this,’ it’s hard to keep up. It’s hard to keep up. And if you’re a person of a certain age, there’s stuff we do, and we say.”
Referring to Bassett’s local news platform she added, “Just because we’re on television, doesn’t mean we know everything. We don’t know everything you’re not supposed to do. And if there is something someone says, if you’re not going to give them the opportunity to explain why they said it, at least give them the grace of saying, ‘You know what? I’ve just been informed that I should not of done that,’ as opposed to, ‘You’re out.’ Because saying ‘You’re out’ means that you don’t want to hear what people have to say…that could have helped somebody else not make that mistake.”
(But you be you. All knowing what everyone can say and know in the public domain so we know what we can and can’t do.)
Oh ok. I follow you. I thought you were specifically talking about my post. Carry on.
exactly. I mean, I'm old, but I do pay attention to things. Plus, it's exceedingly obvious.
You can definitely get bitten by this stuff... I used to use "In like Flynn" occasionally and in mixed company. Then I looked up what it actually meant. Now I don't use it anymore.
Its true. I don't do rap. If it's not on ESPN, NCIS, FBI or SWAT (or simillar shows the last 20 years) I would have never seen him. I know who he is now, but couldn't tell you the name of any song of his. I couldn't tell you the name of any rap song. The only one, and I'd have to google it, was something by DJ Jazzy Jeff and the Fresh Prince of Belair.
Oh, and the dude on NCIS LA, but I can't think of his name.
