Night club had a "No concealable weapons allowed" sign

[FreeSC]

This is a common item with almost every mass shooting in America.
It lets the crazies know, "Here are easy victims! Like shooting fish in a barrel! Have fun!"
This shooting, the shootings at schools, the movie theater in Colorado, Va Tech......all "gun free" zones.

The evidence is clear: these signs announce that you are an easy victim.
How much longer will businesses and schools continue to be so stupid?

Allow concealed weapons, AND PUT UP SIGNS ANNOUNCING IT! Best insurance against this crap you could have.

 

[CUtiger (actual)]

This is a common item with almost every mass shooting in America.
It lets the crazies know, "Here are easy victims! Like shooting fish in a barrel! Have fun!"
This shooting, the shootings at schools, the movie theater in Colorado, Va Tech......all "gun free" zones.

The evidence is clear: these signs announce that you are an easy victim.
How much longer will businesses and schools continue to be so stupid?

Allow concealed weapons, AND PUT UP SIGNS ANNOUNCING IT! Best insurance against this crap you could have.

 

[d-tiger45]

it's really hard to conceal a goddam AR-15. I'm a gun nut myself but give it a rest. Dude had an assault rifle. Kinda hard to hide that.

 

[CAPT KIRK]

it's really hard to conceal a goddam AR-15. I'm a gun nut myself but give it a rest. Dude had an assault rifle. Kinda hard to hide that.

You fail to understand, if 1 person inside the club was carrying a 9 mil, they could possibly stopped the terrorist before he killed 50 people.

 

[ClemsonGentleman]

Just guessing, but someone let him in a side door , either being "nice" or on purpose or thought he was a law enforcement officer or the doorman screwed up ROYALLY.

Very sad no matter what happened

 

[ChiefTiger]

it's really hard to conceal a goddam AR-15. I'm a gun nut myself but give it a rest. Dude had an assault rifle. Kinda hard to hide that.

Valid point. But OP's point is that these nuts target areas where they know that no one else will have a gun.

 

[poates6]

it's really hard to conceal a goddam AR-15. I'm a gun nut myself but give it a rest. Dude had an assault rifle. Kinda hard to hide that.

You do understand the "AR" in AR-15 does not stand for assault rifle correct?

 

[Mr Peter North]

You do understand the "AR" in AR-15 does not stand for assault rifle correct?

What difference does it really make? Would it make you feel better if he referred to it as an armalite assault rifle?

 

[poates6]

What difference does it really make? Would it make you feel better if he referred to it as an armalite assault rifle?

Nothing about this situation could make me feel better.
The difference it really makes is we don't need a bunch of keyboard bravado posting nonsense. The guy was wrong with what he said and he didn't even understand the op's point.
If this guy has an armed citizen firing back at him maybe there aren't as many dead or wounded. Maybe the insanity would have been stopped. I don't understand why this is so hard to see.
A gun in a good guys hand shooting back at the bad guy is going to be better than the bad guy being unopposed.

 

[nextoffensivecoord]

 

[clemson_dude04]

I have no problems with CWPs and concealed handguns. However, there's a reason why they don't allow them into bars. The judgment of people to leave them out of bars while drinking is not always used. I'd rather not have the average person feeling like they can bring a gun into a bar. There is way more potential for harm that would be incurred from homicides by impaired judgment rather than the benefit of stopping a possible shooting at a club by a terrorist.

 

[appalachiatiger]

of course gun free zones will be there targets

more to come

cells are all across america

gonna get worse

need more good guys carrying everywhere

qe are in a state of war- we are so spoiled we dont even care lol

 

[clempzenbill]

I have no problems with CWPs and concealed handguns. However, there's a reason why they don't allow them into bars. The judgment of people to leave them out of bars while drinking is not always used. I'd rather not have the average person feeling like they can bring a gun into a bar. There is way more potential for harm that would be incurred from homicides by impaired judgment rather than the benefit of stopping a possible shooting at a club by a terrorist.

This your opinion. The fact is that tend of thousands of crimes are stopped simply by a law abiding citizen showing a perp his gun.
It is already legal in some places for cwp holders to carry in bars. However there is a restriction on consumption of alcohol.
I know that mass shootings occur in gun free zones. What I don't assume is that allowing some to carry in these zones is more dangerous than these mass murderers. Seems like a really dumb assumption to me.

 

[Mr Peter North]

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Nothing about this situation could make me feel better.
The difference it really makes is we don't need a bunch of keyboard bravado posting nonsense. The guy was wrong with what he said and he didn't even understand the op's point.
If this guy has an armed citizen firing back at him maybe there aren't as many dead or wounded. Maybe the insanity would have been stopped. I don't understand why this is so hard to see.
A gun in a good guys hand shooting back at the bad guy is going to be better than the bad guy being unopposed.

im responding to the post you quoted..... I don't see where he stated "ar" stands for assault rifle ...... But is an ar-15 (armalite rifle) not an assault rifle? Were you referring to another post?

 

[clemben]

Not going to argue with folks--just going to leave this fact. Canada has had 8 mass shootings (defined as 4+ people killed) in the past 20 years. The United States has had 7 since Monday.

And I'm still waiting on that "discussion" about gun safety (not gun control, gun safety) that was promised in the wake of Sandy Hook.

 

[clemson_dude04]

This your opinion. The fact is that tend of thousands of crimes are stopped simply by a law abiding citizen showing a perp his gun.
It is already legal in some places for cwp holders to carry in bars. However there is a restriction on consumption of alcohol.
I know that mass shootings occur in gun free zones. What I don't assume is that allowing some to carry in these zones is more dangerous than these mass murderers. Seems like a really dumb assumption to me.

Lets remember that this crime happened at 2am. Most people at bars/clubs at 2am do not go with the intention of not drinking. Some states (including this one) allow you to go into a restaurant that allows alcohol to be consumed but they don't allow people into bars/clubs for the precise reason I stated. You assume that most people might have better judgment and not brandish a weapon after being out that late in bars. While it is illegal for them to do so doesn't mean it would stop people from thinking they are above the law. However, with the amount of bar fights I've seen, I don't trust that their judgment will hold up. Plus, if you go out in most major cities like Greenville, there's plenty of police force present to respond to it. I'm not saying that some other gun free zones couldn't be better served from concealed weapons. I'm just arguing that bars are not one of those places. I'd much rather take the tradeoff of people not having a gun at the bar I frequent than the possibility of a terrorist attack.

 

[appalachiatiger]

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Not going to argue with folks--just going to leave this fact. Canada has had 8 mass shootings (defined as 4+ people killed) in the past 20 years. The United States has had 7 since Monday.

And I'm still waiting on that "discussion" about gun safety (not gun control, gun safety) that was promised in the wake of Sandy Hook.

canadians mind their own business

we are trying to destroy a religion

has nothing to do with guns

 

[11tigers11]

Looks like I've entered the no spin zone

 

[MBRO]

You fail to understand, if 1 person inside the club was carrying a 9 mil, they could possibly stopped the terrorist before he killed 50 people.

There was armed security at the club, I believe an off-duty police officer moonlighting.

 

[Earle36]

Yes you are that stupid, next offensive coordinator!

 

[gogetem]

There was armed security at the club, I believe an off-duty police officer moonlighting.

I think they said there were two actually. But still, what I can't get my arms around is that according to reports there were 300 folks in the club at the time of shooting. I understand it must be a terrifying situation and we don't know for sure what all happened inside the club but what confuses me is how can 300+ people plus armed security not do something to stop 1 guy?

 

[Tigerbomb]

Two homes are side by side. Home "A" has an alarm system with a sign by the door that reads 'protected by smith & wesson' while home "B" has nothing.

Which home will the criminal target?

 

[Klempsun]

If you get caught drinking with your CWP and armed you lose your CWP

 

[FreeSC]

it's really hard to conceal a goddam AR-15. I'm a gun nut myself but give it a rest. Dude had an assault rifle. Kinda hard to hide that.

Which exactly proves the point of my post.

BTW, thank God the shooters is these incidents are all idiots.
If they really wanted to kill people, they wouldn't carry AR15s. They would carry sawed off shotguns loaded with buckshot, or special loads that would be even worse.

 

[ccolon]

I'm wondering if the instigators of this thread are going to address the information that there (apparently) was an armed person in the bar.

 

[robert.n]

I think they said there were two actually. But still, what I can't get my arms around is that according to reports there were 300 folks in the club at the time of shooting. I understand it must be a terrifying situation and we don't know for sure what all happened inside the club but what confuses me is how can 300+ people plus armed security not do something to stop 1 guy?

Probably because he strapped a bomb to his chest.

 

[faulker08]

Japan has the strictest gun laws in the world. Nobody gets shot in Japan. It's at least worth thinking about.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...3cfaea-19a6-11e5-bed8-1093ee58dad0_story.html

 

[gogetem]

Japan has the strictest gun laws in the world. Nobody gets shot in Japan. It's at least worth thinking about.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...3cfaea-19a6-11e5-bed8-1093ee58dad0_story.html

Ahhhhhhh, the Japan argument.

Japan also has an incredibly racist past (and present), they are a homogenous society, have an extremely restrictive immigration policy, an almost impossible path to citizenship, and an ancient history of incredibly brutal collective punishment.

They also do not have a Second Amendment.

 

[MillerHighLife21]

Headline: "Radical Islamic Terrorist shoots 103 people with an AR-15 in Gay club that was a gun free zone."

CNN: "Man possibly linked to terror used AR-15 to shoot 103 people in Gay club hate crime."
Fox: "Radical Islamic Terrorist shoots 103 people in another mass shooting in a gun free zone."

 

[tigerGUY]

Nothing about this situation could make me feel better.
The difference it really makes is we don't need a bunch of keyboard bravado posting nonsense. The guy was wrong with what he said and he didn't even understand the op's point.
If this guy has an armed citizen firing back at him maybe there aren't as many dead or wounded. Maybe the insanity would have been stopped. I don't understand why this is so hard to see.
A gun in a good guys hand shooting back at the bad guy is going to be better than the bad guy being unopposed.

I conceal carry a handgun everywhere that I legally can. Where I can't, I illegally carry a taser. I figure I can probably talk myself out of a situation if caught with the taser.

 

[tigerGUY]

Japan has the strictest gun laws in the world. Nobody gets shot in Japan. It's at least worth thinking about.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...3cfaea-19a6-11e5-bed8-1093ee58dad0_story.html

The Japanese are a different kind of people taught early to respect laws, their elders, etc. Their brand of punishment in jails doesn't include A/C, TV and ACLU type organizations bitching about the conditions of these PENAL institutes. We, on the other hand, have parents that make excuses for "their babies" as soon as they're born. Watermelons and cherries difference.

 

[CLT-Tiger]

I have no problems with CWPs and concealed handguns. However, there's a reason why they don't allow them into bars. The judgment of people to leave them out of bars while drinking is not always used. I'd rather not have the average person feeling like they can bring a gun into a bar. There is way more potential for harm that would be incurred from homicides by impaired judgment rather than the benefit of stopping a possible shooting at a club by a terrorist.

I'm not sure about Florida, but in NC and AZ you can conceal carry in bars. You can't drink in NC and carry, but I think you can in AZ. Which is nuts IMO.

 

[Shevlin77]

Not going to argue with folks--just going to leave this fact. Canada has had 8 mass shootings (defined as 4+ people killed) in the past 20 years. The United States has had 7 since Monday.

And I'm still waiting on that "discussion" about gun safety (not gun control, gun safety) that was promised in the wake of Sandy Hook.

Australia has had 3 mass shootings in 20 years. Have you all seen their extremely strict gun laws? For example if you get caught with an unregistered or stolen fire are you are going to prison for at least 2 years or up to 14 years.

We need to take a page form their book and tighten up the laws.

 

[Shevlin77]

Probably because he strapped a bomb to his chest.

So you are saying that while the music was blaring, and this guy was shooting, the person with the concealed weapon decided not to shoot him because he was worried about a bomb strapped to his chest? Which was not true anyway.

Cmon.

 

[brandoncross]

it's really hard to conceal a goddam AR-15. I'm a gun nut myself but give it a rest. Dude had an assault rifle. Kinda hard to hide that.

You confuse me. What does concealing an AR have to do with anything?

 

[brandoncross]

I think they said there were two actually. But still, what I can't get my arms around is that according to reports there were 300 folks in the club at the time of shooting. I understand it must be a terrifying situation and we don't know for sure what all happened inside the club but what confuses me is how can 300+ people plus armed security not do something to stop 1 guy?

I would venture to say of the 300 people in the club, there was very little testosterone in the building.

That being said, stopping someone with an AR is much different than stopping someone with a couple handguns.

 

[hopefultiger13]

Personally, I got no answers myself... I suspect that this problem is more cultural than an issue of guns or not guns. There's a ton of guns in Canada, but no mass shootings. There are essentially no guns in Japan and no mass shootings. Pick your argument.

Again, I suspect that it has to do our rather unique culture. We are a country that respects human life in a microcosm (our circle where we actually live... and we talk that talk for the bigger picture). But I'm not sure that we really do respect it big picture. Our choices of entertainment (TV/Movies) are what I'm pointing to. Show some tits or folks having sex and we slap a R or NC-17 rating on it. But as long as you aren't showing brains flying around or intestines on the floor, the hero can kill/shoot/stab as many people as he wants on the way to the happy ending. And it's always been that way. Even back in the dawn of the TV/Movie age, death has been cheap on the screen especially for kids. That says a lot about us.

We are also a society that's obsessed with personal property. How many people on here even raise an eyebrow when they see a sign "Trespassers will be shot" or "Security provided by S&W" The message here is: Mess up (trespass/steal/rob) and die. I think that other places (Israel for instance) doesn't have these values and there's more of a sense of group ownership. In Canada (see Michael Moore's Bowling for Colombine... Hate the guy, but even a total asshat can make a point or two) they just don't see personal property as worth dying (or killing) for.

Anyway, just a couple of thoughts (and in no way intended to be a complete discussion). I'm generally in the crowd that is against gun control. But at the same time, it's difficult for me to see how 4 or 5 half drunk gay guys packing heat in that bar when that guy comes in is going to end well. I suspect that there would have been fewer bodies at this attack, but more over the course of a year due to accidents and petty arguments that would end in a fist fight normally...

There are no easy answers here. I can't see where a gun ban solves this problem (and I'm happy to call the people who think it would stupid). Nor do I see everybody being armed as a good solution either. I'm in Idaho, and we are free carry and anyone can carry hidden as well. Now, you may not be qualified to drive, nor able to hold down a job, but by God you can carry a gun anywhere you want (and I'm just as happy to call the folks who see this as a solution stupid as well).

 

[Earle36]

I'm wondering if the instigators of this thread are going to address the information that there (apparently) was an armed person in the bar.

The more responsible armed people the better.
With that many people, 1 or 2 security armed personnel, is Probaly not enough.

 

[firegiver]

My wife came to me yesterday and said she wants to conceal carry. She said we should ban AR's, I told her that really wouldn't do anything, people still have them and they are out there so what does it matter. Besides thats just treating the symptom, not dealing with the problem head on. I might be a liberal but I'm a skeptic first and I see no reason for tighter gun control.

Somethings you can't fix with laws. Besides allowing terrorist actions to reduce US citizen rights is something I am very wary to do.

 

[5SloanStreet]

This is a common item with almost every mass shooting in America.
It lets the crazies know, "Here are easy victims! Like shooting fish in a barrel! Have fun!"
This shooting, the shootings at schools, the movie theater in Colorado, Va Tech......all "gun free" zones.

The evidence is clear: these signs announce that you are an easy victim.
How much longer will businesses and schools continue to be so stupid?

Allow concealed weapons, AND PUT UP SIGNS ANNOUNCING IT! Best insurance against this crap you could have.

You gun nuts are morons.... The dumbest argument you could possible have