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Ok libs...please explain Obama's behavior.

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An ally of ours (Belgium) is hit with a major Islamic terrorist attack, likely perpetrated by ISIS...

Our president makes a 51 second statement in response & then chooses to take in a baseball game with a communist dictator, at one point even doing the wave together...

What gives??
 
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You have to send a message to the terrorists that you are not going to alter your day to day plans as doing so would show fear and weakness. They want you to be fearful. If you are afraid they win.

At least that is how Obama apologists explain it.

It is disgusting that he is the leader of the free world.
 
LOL. The obsession with some on this board is funny. The hypocrisy is downright hilarious. The only difference between politicians is the letter in () after their name.

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But I'm sure you'll be quick to claim its different somehow. All politicians are liars out for their own self-interest.
 
You have to send a message to the terrorists that you are not going to alter your day to day plans as doing so would show fear and weakness. They want you to be fearful. If you are afraid they win.

At least that is how Obama apologists explain it.

It is disgusting that he is the leader of the free world.
Plus he would've had to cancel a fun filled day with the Castros...smh
 
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A guy named Jim bob hates Obama. What a shocker.

Modern liberalism is an unfortunate byproduct of civilization. The fact that our lives are not largely devoted to hunting and gathering food and fighting off marauders who would rape, enslave, and/or kill us, allows a large segment of our society to forget that this is the natural state of man. You didn’t have liberals in the Dark Ages because a liberal would last about ten seconds, expiring with a spear through his face after telling the local warlord that he disapproved “of this patriarchal, phallocentric, cisnormative power structure.”

Fortunately for you, conservatives exist.
 
Modern liberalism is an unfortunate byproduct of civilization. The fact that our lives are not largely devoted to hunting and gathering food and fighting off marauders who would rape, enslave, and/or kill us, allows a large segment of our society to forget that this is the natural state of man. You didn’t have liberals in the Dark Ages because a liberal would last about ten seconds, expiring with a spear through his face after telling the local warlord that he disapproved “of this patriarchal, phallocentric, cisnormative power structure.”

Fortunately for you, conservatives exist.

LMAO. This is a troll, right? You can't possibly believe that complete and total load of crap.
 
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He doesn't put his hand on his heart for the national anthem. Anyone who voted for this POS should rethink life as an American.

HAVANA, CUBA - MARCH 21: President Barack Obama and John Kerry, U.S. Secretary of State, listen to the playing of the U.S. National Anthem.

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Last week at the White House.
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Anyone who votes for these POS should rethink life as an American. (Source)
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Modern liberalism is an unfortunate byproduct of civilization. The fact that our lives are not largely devoted to hunting and gathering food and fighting off marauders who would rape, enslave, and/or kill us, allows a large segment of our society to forget that this is the natural state of man. You didn’t have liberals in the Dark Ages because a liberal would last about ten seconds, expiring with a spear through his face after telling the local warlord that he disapproved “of this patriarchal, phallocentric, cisnormative power structure.”

Fortunately for you, conservatives exist.

You are one weird freak bro.
 
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LOL. The obsession with some on this board is funny. The hypocrisy is downright hilarious. The only difference between politicians is the letter in () after their name.

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But I'm sure you'll be quick to claim its different somehow. All politicians are liars out for their own self-interest.
Not exactly what you're meaning here with this pic of W? He was reading to children at a school when the 9-11 attacks occurred. He made an impromptu statement & left immediately to handle American business...

You gotta admit, today wasn't exactly the best day for the leader of the free world to be hanging in a Cuban ballpark, yucking it up with a commie dictator...I don't care how big of an Obama supporter you may be!
 
Modern liberalism is an unfortunate byproduct of civilization. The fact that our lives are not largely devoted to hunting and gathering food and fighting off marauders who would rape, enslave, and/or kill us, allows a large segment of our society to forget that this is the natural state of man. You didn’t have liberals in the Dark Ages because a liberal would last about ten seconds, expiring with a spear through his face after telling the local warlord that he disapproved “of this patriarchal, phallocentric, cisnormative power structure.”

Fortunately for you, conservatives exist.

I am not surprised you consider the Dark Ages to be "the good old days."
 
Not exactly what you're meaning here with this pic of W? He was reading to children at a school when the 9-11 attacks occurred. He made an impromptu statement & left immediately to handle American business...

You gotta admit, today wasn't exactly the best day for the leader of the free world to be hanging in a Cuban ballpark, yucking it up with a commie dictator...I don't care how big of an Obama supporter you may be!

Rewatch the videos- he had to be dragged out.
 
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Not exactly what you're meaning here with this pic of W? He was reading to children at a school when the 9-11 attacks occurred. He made an impromptu statement & left immediately to handle American business...

You gotta admit, today wasn't exactly the best day for the leader of the free world to be hanging in a Cuban ballpark, yucking it up with a commie dictator...I don't care how big of an Obama supporter you may be!

Left immediately? LOL. No. No, he didn't. He sat there and read for several more minutes. At the time, the same people criticizing Obama today said that it showed "calm in the face of crisis."
 
Left immediately? LOL. No. No, he didn't. He sat there and read for several more minutes. At the time, the same people criticizing Obama today said that it showed "calm in the face of crisis."

That's right. And people like Ann Coultier were quick to defend G Dubs by explaining that there was nothing he could do any way.
 
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Left immediately? LOL. No. No, he didn't. He sat there and read for several more minutes. At the time, the same people criticizing Obama today said that it showed "calm in the face of crisis."

A buddy of mine had dinner with President Bush a few months ago and he asked the President about the day. President Bush said that he was in disbelief when Andrew Card whispered to him that NYC and DC were under attack, then he didn't want to jump out of his seat and rush out of the door because there was 40 cameras pointed at him from the back of the room.

He went on to say that his only regret of the day was flying to Louisiana and then Nebraska before heading to DC. He was listening to his advisors concerns about an attempt on his life and he would have flown straight to DC.
 
Left immediately? LOL. No. No, he didn't. He sat there and read for several more minutes. At the time, the same people criticizing Obama today said that it showed "calm in the face of crisis."
Ok, ok...he was there for a few minutes after the attacks...probably had something to do with the chaotic situation taking place though...

He did not, however, make a day of it with COMMUNIST DICTATORS...not a good look!
 
Ok, ok...he was there for a few minutes after the attacks...probably had something to do with the chaotic situation taking place though...

He did not, however, make a day of it with COMMUNIST DICTATORS...not a good look!

Like I said, you'll explain it away because you want it to be different. The reality is, you just hate Obama. Cool for you.
 
Ok, ok...he was there for a few minutes after the attacks...probably had something to do with the chaotic situation taking place though...

He did not, however, make a day of it with COMMUNIST DICTATORS...not a good look!

Today wasn't chaotic? Also, that was his own country under attack. Obama isn't the president of Belgium last I checked. But you love to police the world, so I can understand where this would be confusing for you.
 
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An ally of ours (Belgium) is hit with a major Islamic terrorist attack, likely perpetrated by ISIS...

Our president makes a 51 second statement in response & then chooses to take in a baseball game with a communist dictator, at one point even doing the wave together...

What gives??
I normally don't get involved in these things (in fact I actively beg Cris to get rid of these political threads on a football board) but this is just stupid. Why is the President of the United States responsible for Belgium? Particularly when we live in a day and age where through technology the President can easily communicate with Belgium anytime or anywhere to lend support, and can also communicate easily with whoever he needs to in the United States to make sure everything is safe there, and of course security was beefed up at major landmarks/airports etc today despite there being no specific threat to the United States.

Secondly, I tend to agree that the President would probably much preferred to normalize relations with Cuba after Castro (and his brother) were dead, but it didn't happen that way. That's probably why he waited so late in his Presidency to do what he's doing in Cuba now, hoping they would kick the bucket first. BUT, Cuba has made changes in opening up their economy to capitalism and in allowing more civil rights for its people.

Obama ending the embargo is a good thing because there are a ton of economic opportunities in Cuba for Americans. There are already American entrepreneurs in Cuba setting up shop, including a tractor company from Alabama that will be selling updating farming equipment for the locals. When you consider that much of Cuba still exists in the 1950s and 60s, there's a lot of opportunity for modernizing the Cuban economy which American companies can be involved with. On top of that Cuba is now allowing it's citizens to protest and speak openly about the government, which hasn't happened for decades.

So yes, he's a communist dictator (really his brother was) but they have taken a lot of steps which make it much more plausible for normal relations with the United States that can be beneficial for both countries.
 
I normally don't get involved in these things (in fact I actively beg Cris to get rid of these political threads on a football board) but this is just stupid. Why is the President of the United States responsible for Belgium? Particularly when we live in a day and age where through technology the President can easily communicate with Belgium anytime or anywhere to lend support, and can also communicate easily with whoever he needs to in the United States to make sure everything is safe there, and of course security was beefed up at major landmarks/airports etc today despite there being no specific threat to the United States.

Secondly, I tend to agree that the President would probably much preferred to normalize relations with Cuba after Castro (and his brother) were dead, but it didn't happen that way. That's probably why he waited so late in his Presidency to do what he's doing in Cuba now, hoping they would kick the bucket first. BUT, Cuba has made changes in opening up their economy to capitalism and in allowing more civil rights for its people.

Obama ending the embargo is a good thing because there are a ton of economic opportunities in Cuba for Americans. There are already American entrepreneurs in Cuba setting up shop, including a tractor company from Alabama that will be selling updating farming equipment for the locals. When you consider that much of Cuba still exists in the 1950s and 60s, there's a lot of opportunity for modernizing the Cuban economy which American companies can be involved with. On top of that Cuba is now allowing it's citizens to protest and speak openly about the government, which hasn't happened for decades.

So yes, he's a communist dictator (really his brother was) but they have taken a lot of steps which make it much more plausible for normal relations with the United States that can be beneficial for both countries.

Agreed. I really don't understand why people support the embargo and isolation of Cuba by the United States. It is a FAILED policy. Cuba is very destitute and still communist after 60 years of it.

Opening up relations with them, trading with them, traveling there, and engaging with them as a country filled with fellow humans is the only way to help push them toward more freedom and opportunity. It worked with Nixon and China, ping-pong anyone? Why wouldn't it work with Obama at a baseball game in Cuba?

It's the beginning of a new dawn for Cuba and the Cuban people. Yes there are still serious human rights issues in Cuba, and China for that matter too, but progress is already starting to happen, albeit slowly.
 
Following the historical rhetoric of JimBob half of our football team would be cultivating his farm and bringing him lemonade. But hey it must be hard for some of these bigots to seriously admit they root for some black guys on Saturdays. Man this is bs leave this mess to the backroom boards that you trolls dwell in. We talk real deal football up here save your bigotry for your private message boards please.
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just a few more months left

we might make it

that will be the last 16 years under very average to below average presidents and we survived

god bless america!
 
You have to send a message to the terrorists that you are not going to alter your day to day plans as doing so would show fear and weakness. They want you to be fearful. If you are afraid they win.

At least that is how Obama apologists explain it.

It is disgusting that he is the leader of the free world.
There are no Muslim extremists in Cuba. He was safe at the game.
 
I am not an Obama fan. But let me also point out I am not a fan of either party. I think the current state of politics sux. I have no problem with the POTUS sticking with his schedule in this case. I do believe the over reaction on this board in all political threads from both sides is amusing. I'm
 
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If you use the words liberal or conservative in sentences on a daily basis you should get tested. You are probably mentally challenged and don't know it.
 
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Like I said, you'll explain it away because you want it to be different. The reality is, you just hate Obama. Cool for you.
These situations are different...the 9-11 attacks were on our own soil & things were happening quickly...we didn't know immediately how many planes were hijacked & where the next attack was gonna be. Some thought the White House & Air Force One could be targeted so I'm sure Secret Service had a lot to do with the waiting at the elementary school to ensure the President's safety...
I'm not saying Obama should have left Cuba within minutes after the Belgium attacks occurred...but he should've gotten on a plane at some point to come home, went in the situation room, come up with a strategy & made a speech to the nation last night that we, nor our allies will stand for this anymore & that we are gonna do anything necessary to rid the world of ISIS...plain & simple.

That's leadership.
 
These situations are different...the 9-11 attacks were on our own soil & things were happening quickly...we didn't know immediately how many planes were hijacked & where the next attack was gonna be. Some thought the White House & Air Force One could be targeted so I'm sure Secret Service had a lot to do with the waiting at the elementary school to ensure the President's safety...
I'm not saying Obama should have left Cuba within minutes after the Belgium attacks occurred...but he should've gotten on a plane at some point to come home, went in the situation room, come up with a strategy & made a speech to the nation last night that we, nor our allies will stand for this anymore & that we are gonna do anything necessary to rid the world of ISIS...plain & simple.

That's leadership.

Good points. He certainly could have reacted with more vigor and been more solemn throughout the day. There is a case to be made for him to transition into Commander and Chief.

However, and this purely speculation, he probably doesn't want to send a massage to his countrymen and to the world that these attacks are disrupting the normal flow. If he flies to DC, hunkers down in the war room and cuts into prime time with a speech, it could be seen as a Victory for ISIS.

Now if these attacks were on US soil, he would have been on Air Force One ASAP. If not, then you would have had a case to question his leadership.
 
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These situations are different...the 9-11 attacks were on our own soil & things were happening quickly...we didn't know immediately how many planes were hijacked & where the next attack was gonna be. Some thought the White House & Air Force One could be targeted so I'm sure Secret Service had a lot to do with the waiting at the elementary school to ensure the President's safety...
I'm not saying Obama should have left Cuba within minutes after the Belgium attacks occurred...but he should've gotten on a plane at some point to come home, went in the situation room, come up with a strategy & made a speech to the nation last night that we, nor our allies will stand for this anymore & that we are gonna do anything necessary to rid the world of ISIS...plain & simple.

That's leadership.

Oh come on jimbob, you wanted Obama to stand up the moment he heard the news, screamed to that commie dictator "DEAL IS OFF, ****ERS!", lower his shades, hop on a freedom eagle, and take a star-spangled flight to Belgium for freedom waffles and promise those faithful servants of Murica that we're gonna bomb the hell out of anyone who threatens to take our guns and liberties away!

The truth is, we're not the authority on terror. And it's not our responsibility. Belgium has their own government and they can deal with scum just as we can.
 
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Good points. He certainly could have reacted with more vigor and been more solemn throughout the day. There is a case to be made for him to transition into Commander and Chief.

However, and this purely speculation, he probably doesn't want to send a massage to his countrymen and to the world that these attacks are disrupting the normal flow. If he flies to DC, hunkers down in the war room and cuts into prime time with a speech, it could be seen as a Victory for ISIS.

Now if these attacks were on US soil, he would have been on Air Force One ASAP. If not, then you would have had a case to question his leadership.

You're a much gentler commenter to jimbob than I am.
 
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