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Up until this point the discussion had remained relatively civil and respectful. You abandoned that. I should have known it was coming I suppose.
I'm going to take you at your word for a moment. Reasoned and logical are things I can get behind. Earlier you stated we shouldn't fret about the number of people that have died from the virus but you constantly try to beat people over the head with the numbers. THAT is why they matter. Because you want to maximize the damage to lend credibility to your views.
Your last sentence is a clear signal as to where you come from. The likelihood is not large? Our kids are in greater danger walking outside than they are dying from Covid. It's an infinitesimally small chance. Let's call it what it is. The reality from a public health perspective is we should allow kids to get it given the circumstances because the data shows there is no stopping this thing unless you want to lock everyone away for the rest of time. In the most heavy handed countries, they have had severe restrictions and things are starting to come unglued because there's just so much people can take.
A reasoned and logical approach is people at risk get the vaccine. Wear a mask if you feel it will help you but understand HOW to properly wear a mask. Kids go to school unimpeded and everyone live your life. That's all we can do and all that we have to prove this is every single shred of data. There's nothing reasoned or logical about forcing kids to wear masks and trying to use highly exaggerated death tolls to gain control over people.
Our discussion never ceased to be civil. You just don’t seem that interested in facts.
I assume you are referring to my response to a poster who was being critical of the Mayo Clinic’s comparison between the flu and Covid? I never said no fret. My point was that even if those numbers were off substantially (as that poster claimed), the number of people who died of Covid is still a BIG deal and shouldn’t be discounted and should most certainly not be compared to the seasonal flu.
I’m not sure how my acknowlegding the fact that Covid deaths in children have been relatively low discredits my statements. And I’m not sure how using numbers/data to support that I think Covid is a pretty big deal is illogical…
At Clemson Elementary alone, there are 23 confirmed cases and 59 quarantined students. At the Jr. High there are 73 confirmed cases and 47 in quarantine. So at what point should we raise the alarm in this small community? What is acceptable?
A reasoned and logical approach in my view is to always protect those in society who are most vulnerable. Those who cannot protect themselves.
Plenty interested in facts and have done nothing but share those. You seemed to disagree and felt that hurling insults worked better. But that’s cool….you do you
First of all, the poster you are referring to was me.
If it's a big deal, it can be a big deal we talk about accurately. Safety isn't the only factor needing to be measured here. The death rate isn't relatively low among children. It's extremely low or as I said, infinitesimally low. You don't want to go that far for some reason but the data supports it. If you're a data guy, then go there and be accurate. Relative to children, the flu is far more dangerous than Covid. The data supports that also.
Case counts are something to watch but it is at the bottom of the list of numbers to watch. This variant is going to hit everywhere and everyone. It's hard to overstate how contagious it is. Nothing is going to stop it from spreading. So hospital numbers are where we should be focusing. If there are students with covid, that's OK. How many have serious issues is the question. The answer, again, is probably very few and those kids are probably dealing with other health preconditions that exacerbate the impact of Covid (i.e. they need to watch out for every respiratory illness).
If we "raise the alarm" then what do you want to do? The data illustrates very clearly there is NOTHING you can do to stop this. So what does this alarm set in motion? You're awfully paternalistic for my case. And you seem determined to avoid any and all data so that you can feel justified in your reaction. While it is quite clear you're a good person with a true heart for others, it's also quite clear that big heart of yours is doing the talking in this thread. Please allow the facts and the data to calm you a bit. It's going to be OK!
So by accurately you mean your facts only? The fact that masks don’t work (not true)? Or the fact that nothing stops it (also not true)? If you base your view on those points building it on a mound of sand.First of all, the poster you are referring to was me.
If it's a big deal, it can be a big deal we talk about accurately. Safety isn't the only factor needing to be measured here. The death rate isn't relatively low among children. It's extremely low or as I said, infinitesimally low. You don't want to go that far for some reason but the data supports it. If you're a data guy, then go there and be accurate. Relative to children, the flu is far more dangerous than Covid. The data supports that also.
Case counts are something to watch but it is at the bottom of the list of numbers to watch. This variant is going to hit everywhere and everyone. It's hard to overstate how contagious it is. Nothing is going to stop it from spreading. So hospital numbers are where we should be focusing. If there are students with covid, that's OK. How many have serious issues is the question. The answer, again, is probably very few and those kids are probably dealing with other health preconditions that exacerbate the impact of Covid (i.e. they need to watch out for every respiratory illness).
If we "raise the alarm" then what do you want to do? The data illustrates very clearly there is NOTHING you can do to stop this. So what does this alarm set in motion? You're awfully paternalistic for my case. And you seem determined to avoid any and all data so that you can feel justified in your reaction. While it is quite clear you're a good person with a true heart for others, it's also quite clear that big heart of yours is doing the talking in this thread. Please allow the facts and the data to calm you a bit. It's going to be OK!
So lets go with hospitalization. Pediatric cases are up 400%. While still relatively low, this is still a concerning trend. Overall hospital rates are spiking to peak amounts from 2020 in SC. The largest hospital system in the upstate has put out an SOS begging folks to get vaccinated.
So what do you we do? What’s your course? Just let it play out? Herd immunity by mass casualty? I just can’t follow that logic.
I didn’t hurl any insults at you. Calling your fear irrational isn’t an insult, it’s a fact.
No sir. I just mean facts in general. I have no interest on one side or another in this situation other than the cause of preserving a balance between countermeasures and maintaining a quality of life.
You talk about pediatric cases being up 400% but still being low. Drug related deaths had the highest spike on record last year. We saw an uptick of 60,000 deaths due to heart disease last year. Accidental deaths were up 20+% last year. Depression levels have increased at an alarming rate in the last 16 months. There are so many factors involved in managing all this and we're not even into the economic, domestic violence and divorce numbers which have spiraled dramatically as well.
I've already spelled it out for you. This isn't my course. It's the course recommended by many of the finest doctors we have in this country.
1. Adults should be vaccinated unless you have natural immunity.
2. Kids who have at risk conditions should be vaccinated
3. Wear a mask if it makes you feel better. No mandates!
4. LIVE! We're not going to stop this from spreading so steps 1-3 are all we have and in the meantime, live your life.
There will never be mass casualty among kids. That's been the topic here so your statement about that just demonstrates your mindset on this. It should be noted that Sweden has weathered the delta variant better than almost anyone. They never closed. They never stopped living. They have vaccinated their at risk population and moved on with life. I think there's a lesson there and the data backs it up.
We are just going to have to agree to disagree here. I will say that you are making some rather grand and inaccurate assertions about my point of view in all of this. Not saying that I understand yours, because its blatantly obvious I can’t even begin to. But its all good. Good luck. I hope this all stays far away from you and your family…and yes any kids too.
Unfortunately that is an insult, especially when not true. I’m sure you’d feel the same if I told you the blunt truth….but like I said. I draw a line.
How is that report a disgrace to journalism? They cited the stats. They interviewed parents and teachers. Maybe Tucker Carlson will do the next one for you.
Good old South Carolina,, first to revolt, last to understand
We've all had it and we were all wearing multiple masks when we got it. Again I don't have a point of view. I just go with the data and what the doctors who are experts are saying. Not the ones who've been in government for four decades and have a political motivation in all this. Doctors who've taken one point of view throughout rather than changing depending on where the wind is blowing.
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If you think that’s an insult then you have some extremely thin skin. It certainly doesn’t cross any lines.
Yes she is. Her hospital wanted everyone to get the shot. Her mom was also badgering her from the beginning incessantly. My MIL sat around listening to the news all the time and freaked out. Ended up in the ER and admitted into the local hospital with a stroke.
That’s one of the issues rarely brought up is the mental tolls this has brought on some people.
Needless to say you’re starting to get more and more of the medical field questioning the shots. Meaning, they’re beginning to question why everyone is being told to take it when they’re seeing with their own eyes the segments of people it actually is affecting.
When our overlords start acting like there's a f***ing crisis I'll start believing there is one.
nypost.com
Video shows hordes of maskless people at Pelosi fundraiser
Nancy Pelosi was apparently caught addressing an outdoor crowd of mask-less Democratic big wigs in COVID-19-riddled Napa Valley over the weekend.
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If you think calling someone irrational is respectful….well I encourage you to reevaluate things
I hope your symptoms were all mild and didn’t cause any long term effects. I’d encourage you to watch this… local SC people just trying to protect the people of SC.
Rep. Neal Collins - Covid Discussion | Facebook
Covid discussion with Drs. Albrecht, Buckhaults, Dean & Swann
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The first min is laughable. They present it as fact that a few people are really sick and hospitalized from C19 because school was in session for 4 days without masks. A real investigative journalist could blow that narrative up in minutes.
But consume all you want and scare the crap out of yourself. Yea Tucker evil and NBC, ABC, etc….good….got your narrative loud and clear.
Yet another study showing the masks we currently wear don't do a damn bit of good.
uwaterloo.ca
Study supports widespread use of better masks to curb COVID-19 indoors | Waterloo News
A new study is highlighting a need for widespread use of better face masks and the importance of good ventilation to mitigate the spread of COVID-19 indoors. Engineering researchers at the University of Waterloo performed experiments using a mannequin to simulate a seated person breathing in a...
“There is no question it is beneficial to wear any face covering, both for protection in close proximity and at a distance in a room,” said Serhiy Yarusevych, a professor of mechanical and mechatronics engineering and the leader of the study. “However, there is a very serious difference in the effectiveness of different masks when it comes to controlling aerosols.”Yet another study showing the masks we currently wear don't do a damn bit of good.
Study supports widespread use of better masks to curb COVID-19 indoors | Waterloo News
A new study is highlighting a need for widespread use of better face masks and the importance of good ventilation to mitigate the spread of COVID-19 indoors. Engineering researchers at the University of Waterloo performed experiments using a mannequin to simulate a seated person breathing in a...
I wouldn't say they do no good. And neither does the person in the link.
Note that I said as we currently wear them. There is no question at all that a well worn and unused N95 will make a significant difference. But as we wear them now, they are 10% or less effective. That's something people should know because they don't need a false sense of security about the protection. That's dangerous!
I'm really not trying to get into semantics but you said "masks we currently wear dont do a damn bit of good".
1. Yes they do have a benefit.
2. You did not mention anything about how or as we wear masks.
To everyone else, get the FDA approved vaccine, wear a mask when asked, and move on with your day.
I properly wear a KN95. I have a youth sized KN95 for my child. My wife wears a N95 all day at work. I see more and more people moving in this direction. While I agree this pure focus on masks is not productive, 10% is still greater than zero. In combination with hand washing, testing, vaccine, distancing, etc...even less effective masks do work. That's the message that should be pushed outward, but sadly it has been lost in the mask/vaccine debate.
But, it's not like high quality masks aren't widely available...
Amazon.com : kn95
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Wow man. You were right and we are never going to agree. You just keep doing you and I hope that everything works out the way you hope.
nope.....and don't wear a mask at home either. Hell....it's rare that you would ever see me with a pair of shoes on at home or when I'm in the yard. Is this where you are going with this?
Just inferring your behavior based on your comments. You strike me as an extremely risk averse person.
I don’t think I am risk averse at all but I don’t go running towards it either. I do mitigate risk when I find is prudent to do so. Like in the middle of a pandemic when rates are spiking in close proximity. Seems foolish not to take precautions.
But I also always wear my seatbelt in the car, get a physical every year, and don’t invest in penny stocks….so compared to some on here maybe I am.
