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OT: 15 17 to Paris

They Eastwood could not find three young Hollywood actors with balls enough to play the parts

Nothing but pretty boy snowflakes as soon as you hit the city limits out there
 
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it's fine to think he was a good "soldier," i guess. but it's pretty ridiculous to make a biopic about the guy and not address his dehumanization of brown people or some of the more outlandish lies he made up. i.e. when he claimed to have sniped 30 looters during katrina.

the movie sucks because it doesn't actually address any of the nuances or complexities of war. it paints a completely us vs. them mentality, where defeating these non-descript brown people is only accomplished through the heroism of the individual. and it's an individual who happens to be pretty goddamn deranged.

Your opinion on “nuances and complexities of war” is based on what experience?
 
Agreed, enjoyed this one a lot.

Also really liked hostiles but good god it's depressing.

Hostiles was REALLY good. That movie is going to win some Oscars for some people no doubt. You are correct, though, ....very depressing at times.

The only other thing out right now that I want to see is The Post, but I won't be going back to the movies until Thursday night when I go see Black Panther. It's tracking amazingly and getting awesome reviews. I'm very pumped about it.
 
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Your opinion on “nuances and complexities of war” is based on what experience?

On the experience of considering viewpoints and perspectives outside propaganda-ish war movies.

Are you positing that one has to have served to know that the Vietnam and Iraq wars were shams? To know that war is not a black and white, good vs. evil battle every time?
 
I saw it last night - it is one of the worst movies I have seen in years (has nothing to do with the subject matter or political viewpoint). It is completely Clint Eastwood's fault. About 10 minutes of the movie are devoted to the train, the rest is the back story of the three American heroes. The writing was terrible and the acting was bad as well. You would understand and excuse the three guys playing themselves lack of acting chops because they aren't professionals, but the rest of the cast were poor as well. I'm not sure if there actually was a script, but if there was the writer should find another way to make a living.

This movie seems like a movie made by a first year film student as their end-of-semester project, using their friends as cast and crew. If that's what it had been, you would say "Not bad, pretty good effort. You'll get better from here." But for a film made by professionals it was woefully lacking. The three cast members playing themselves deserve none of the blame.

Also, I'm not saying that their story isn't worth telling - it certainly is. Their bravery saved a lot of lives that day. If you want to know their story, television news does a better job. This story was told very poorly

Sorry to hear, please Let IMDb be your future guide.
 
it's fine to think he was a good "soldier," i guess. but it's pretty ridiculous to make a biopic about the guy and not address his dehumanization of brown people or some of the more outlandish lies he made up. i.e. when he claimed to have sniped 30 looters during katrina.

the movie sucks because it doesn't actually address any of the nuances or complexities of war. it paints a completely us vs. them mentality, where defeating these non-descript brown people is only accomplished through the heroism of the individual. and it's an individual who happens to be pretty goddamn deranged.


Did he use the term brown people? Or is that you?
 
Just saw Hostiles. Very good. One of the best Westerns in awhile. Yeah, it was bleak and depressing, but that was that time period, folks. Can't believe it was snubbed with Oscar nods.
 
Just saw Hostiles. Very good. One of the best Westerns in awhile. Yeah, it was bleak and depressing, but that was that time period, folks. Can't believe it was snubbed with Oscar nods.
Hostiles was well made and had great acting, but it was too slow for me, and I will never watch it again. Watch Godless on Netflix if you want to see a tremendous well made western mini series.
 
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Just saw Hostiles. Very good. One of the best Westerns in awhile. Yeah, it was bleak and depressing, but that was that time period, folks. Can't believe it was snubbed with Oscar nods.
If you like Westerns catch "Hell or High Water." Came out last year & nominated for Best Picture. Jeff Bridges is one of the main charachters. It's a modern western but very good. Should have won Best Picture but Hollywood sucks when it comes to actually giving awards out to those who deserve them.
 
Clemson Paw reminds me of one of my best friends in college. Smart dude who loved sports but couldn’t let his political ideologies allow him to enjoy life. He was never wrong still to this day and probably never will be. Everyone who disagreed was either ignorant or “just didn’t understand”.
 
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I found the movie highly offensive because the Americans attempted to hurt the Muslim after getting him to the ground. There's a more peaceful way to subdue a terrorist .
I don't know. Haven't watched the movie, but if a terrorist had just tried to kill me I might not be too polite after disarming him. But that's just me.
 
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Ended up watching Brawl in Cell Block 99 on Amazon. Ok, but ending sucked! About to watch Among the Brave.
 
On the experience of considering viewpoints and perspectives outside propaganda-ish war movies.

Are you positing that one has to have served to know that the Vietnam and Iraq wars were shams? To know that war is not a black and white, good vs. evil battle every time?

You are mixing the strategic/political considerations of getting into war (ad bellum) with the nuances and complexities of the warfighter (in bello), probably deliberately, to cover for the fact that you don’t know what you’re talking about.

I thought American Sniper caught the nuances and complexities of war fairly well, especially the impact on trigger pullers. But, unlike you, I know what I’m talking about.
 
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sry that i'm not crazy about shitty movies that perpetuate the myth of america as the noble world police civilizing savages in the middle east. oh, and chris kyle was a pathological liar and kind of a lunatic. him being portrayed as some sort of hero is bonkers.
What was it that resulted in you hating human beings?
 
Clemson Paw reminds me of one of my best friends in college. Smart dude who loved sports but couldn’t let his political ideologies allow him to enjoy life. He was never wrong still to this day and probably never will be. Everyone who disagreed was either ignorant or “just didn’t understand”.

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If you think clemson paw is a smart dude then this must be your first encounter with his efforts here.

Just another sensitive millennial who sat on the sidelines during a time when our country was a time war. A coward both physically and intellectually. Who, when his argument is blown up on a message board, resorts to name calling.

I would encourage you to do some research on his recent posts. Quite the opposite of “smart dude”
 
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If you like Westerns catch "Hell or High Water." Came out last year & nominated for Best Picture. Jeff Bridges is one of the main charachters. It's a modern western but very good. Should have won Best Picture but Hollywood sucks when it comes to actually giving awards out to those who deserve them.

Very good movie, just not what I would consider a western. Good movie nonetheless though. Agreed on the Hollywood part.
 
This is what I think:

I don't think these types of incidents (the train episode, Sullenberger etc etc) really warrant a movie or book deal or the like. But that said if such a movie or story causes us to either be inspired, or even shamed, into thinking hard about how would we react in a similar situation, then perhaps there's some good there.
 
You are mixing the strategic/political considerations of getting into war (ad bellum) with the nuances and complexities of the warfighter (in bello), probably deliberately, to cover for the fact that you don’t know what you’re talking about.

I thought American Sniper caught the nuances and complexities of war fairly well, especially the impact on trigger pullers. But, unlike you, I know what I’m talking about.

Lol what expert knowledge is it that you think you possess that I don’t have? This is a Clint Eastwood war movie we’re talking about. It doesn’t require some some obscure or specific information to “understand.”

I hear what you’re saying with your unnecessary Latin terms but the portrayal of fighting should, in my view, still provide perspective or plot development from both sides. Have you ever seen a war movie where brown people are fighting nameless, non-descript white people? I bet not. So why are we so quick to accept the inverse?
 
American Sniper is not a shitty movie, so no, I'm not frustrated. It's a very good movie, regardless of what is or isn't true about the real life Chris Kyle. Stop being such a douche.

stop being so sensitive about dissenting viewpoints
 
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If you think clemson paw is a smart dude then this must be your first encounter with his efforts here.

Just another sensitive millennial who sat on the sidelines during a time when our country was a time war. A coward both physically and intellectually. Who, when his argument is blown up on a message board, resorts to name calling.

I would encourage you to do some research on his recent posts. Quite the opposite of “smart dude”

first, you take this internet thing way too seriously. really should just stick to the breitbart comments section.

second, you literally never make any intellectual arguments. you respond to my posts by calling liberalism a disease or asking for pics of me to assess my physique (maybe the reason you hate gays so much is because you hate yourself idk). so it's pretty rich to hear you accuse me of name-calling.
 
first, you take this internet thing way too seriously. really should just stick to the breitbart comments section.

second, you literally never make any intellectual arguments. you respond to my posts by calling liberalism a disease or asking for pics of me to assess my physique (maybe the reason you hate gays so much is because you hate yourself idk). so it's pretty rich to hear you accuse me of name-calling.

Thankfully liberalism has been fundamentally rejected at every level in the United States.

Senators
House of Representatives
Governors
Supreme Court
State legislators
The President

You’ve never had less influence on our society, unless you think Hollywood, the media or academia are still taken seriously.

 
Thankfully liberalism has been fundamentally rejected at every level in the United States.

Senators
House of Representatives
Governors
Supreme Court
State legislators
The President

You’ve never had less influence on our society, unless you think Hollywood, the media or academia are still taken seriously.


...if you think that this fleeting moment of absolute power will last then you're pretty foolish. just as any democrat who thought the same in 2010. 2018 is not gonna be kind to conservatives. and the democrats will probs have the same problem when they inevitably take back the presidency in 2020. enjoy your scorekeeping, though.
 
...if you think that this fleeting moment of absolute power will last then you're pretty foolish. just as any democrat who thought the same in 2010. 2018 is not gonna be kind to conservatives. and the democrats will probs have the same problem when they inevitably take back the presidency in 2020. enjoy your scorekeeping, though.

I'm sure he's going to be willing to revisit his viewpoint if the tides change.
 
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