Ahhh, totally forgot she lost her eyes as a punishment. I thought it was more something everyone went through in their training.
Makes more sense.
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Ahhh, totally forgot she lost her eyes as a punishment. I thought it was more something everyone went through in their training.
Makes more sense.
Yes, that hit me last night too. Her ability to fight blind was the main point i forgot about when she cut the candle. It only hit me later that was why she did it and by cutting the lights, was really the only way for her to defeat the Waif.
Last night did have the best line. Bronne to Pod, while tilting his head toward the tent Jamie & Brianne were in...."you think they're fvcking?"
I could go with that, but it still seems like Arya is the same girl as she was when she first got there. She learned to fight in the dark and that she will always be a Stark, okay? Also the dialogue at the end with the Many faced God bothered me as well. You would think he would give her great advise, realization, change in character, fight for leaving, something other than a "bye, have a nice life."I think the many faced God expected her to leave all along and was simply training her. He specifically took her sight and forced her to learn to fight blind for a reason. We saw that he obviously did not give the other girl the same training. That was a cool way for her to defeat her, striking out the candle and then beating her ass.
As for Arya's injuries, that was a little over the top that she was moving that well. That said, we don't know how much time had lapsed from the first scene where she was bandaged by the actress and the scene where the actress was killed. It could have been several weeks. OK, so I may be stretching to make it be more realistic, but let me do it.
The rest of the episode was OK. I think they did a lot to set up some later stuff. I do fear they are going to rush some stuff. I would rather them have 5 more seasons and play it out like it should. I'm in no rush to see this show end.
Just to be clear, Jaqen isn't the "Many Faced God," he's just one of the Faceless Men who worship the Many Faced God.
As for the whole King's Landing situation with the Faith Militant, I think anybody who says that isn't plausible is a little drunk on the Machiavellian power the Lannisters like to wield. The people clearly side with the Faith and find them to be closer to them than the corrupt Cersei. Just going in and using the Lannister/ Tyrell armies to crush the Faith would probably result in a full on revolt. And Tommen seems less concerned with just doing what his mother wants than in pursuing justice or what he sees as what's right. He believes the Faith is more just, but he also wants fairness for his wife and his mother. Fairness for his mother, however, might mean some pretty bad stuff for Cersei. So he's not "playing the game" the way many of the other characters are... which generally doesn't bode well for a GoT character.
The people also seem to like Marjorie. I don't think her conversion is genuine, so she may be the one who's making the most intelligent "plays" right now. I wouldn't be surprised to see her turn on the Faith as soon as she has a chance to grasp power.
Margerie may be driving tommen ready to cease power while taking cersai down a couple pegs as well
Marjorie is manipulating things. This was proven when she told her grandmother to leave and then gave her the picture of a flower,
Are you fvcking kidding me. You want realism in a show where there are dragons, giants, zombies, and time traveling. LMFAO!!!
Surely this is a troll. I was thinking last night just how ugly she has become.i just came add that i ****ing love maisie williams.
she is turning into a little hottie too. check out those legs.
i just came add that i ****ing love maisie williams.
she is turning into a little hottie too. check out those legs.
Creep alert!!
I'm not sure whether to call the proper authorities or just put u on blast. Disgusting man, she is a child. Shame on you sir!
While I agree it was a great show for the reasons you listed. I am very disappointed in the lack of showing of Jon's story. This has been basically 3 episodes in a row where he has been absent. How is that even remotely supposed to be acceptable from a writing stand point. And yes I understand things need to happen before the fight, many other story lines etc.
But geeezz, get on with it already. The season is almost over and all we have seen is, he did not die.
Great show but them skipping major characters' death scenes is getting ridiculous.
I was pissed when Joffrey got poisoned and had such a quick death. Then they don't even show the waif get killed. If they don't show Ramsey's death I'm going to lose my mind. I could watch that doosh die for an entire season.
I was pissed when Joffrey got poisoned and had such a quick death. Then they don't even show the waif get killed. If they don't show Ramsey's death I'm going to lose my mind. I could watch that doosh die for an entire season.
Time to consolidate some plot lines.... First couple episodes this season featured Bran and the white walkers and then they went silent with it. This season is all downhill... The show peaked when the mountain fought the viper
Everyone needs to not worry about Jon Snow not being shown this week, because next week's episode is going to be nothing but him. Battle of the Bastard's will be epic like most seasons' episode 9's.
Now to last night, I don't post in these threads too much, because I've read all the books 3-4 times through and I'm a huge fan of them more than the show. I love the show very much because of the source material but the books are simply better.
What they did with Edmure/the Blackfish was terrible. I did enjoy the conversation between Jamie and Edmure, but I agree with someone else about Jamie at this point in the book vs. Jamie at this point in the show. In the book at this point he is a completely changed man and he's over all of Cersei's lying and bullshit and he's turned into a good knight who has regained his honor. I'm not saying he's turned into Ned Stark, but he's definitely taken a HUGE step in that direction, which is why I don't like him using his desire to get back to Cersei as his main motivation. In the books he wants to get shit done for House Lannister without breaking his oaths.
I also hate that they had Edmure turn on the Blackfish. That did not happen in the books at all. In the books Jamie allowed Edmure back into the castle and Edmure let the Blackfish swim under the gate and down the river to get away. Bryndan is definitely going to be an important character going forward in the books. Edmure is not a huge badass in the books by any means, but the show makes him out to be a huge pussy which is simply not his character. In the books he is solid....a good guy who wants to rule the Riverlands well....no military genius, but not untalented in battle. Him turning on the Blackfish in the show and basically sentencing him to die sucks and makes me hate his character.
Everything happening with the faith in Kings Landing is stuff that the showrunners have made up because that area has completely surpassed the books chronologically, but I do not get the feeling that the crown and the faith are going to make a huge alliance in the books. I think Kings Landing is going to be in complete chaos going forward in the books now that Kevan is dead......I'll lose my shit if the High Sparrow reveals himself to be Howland Reed in either the books or the show and he seats Jon Snow on the throne.
Now to last night, I don't post in these threads too much, because I've read all the books 3-4 times through and I'm a huge fan of them more than the show. I love the show very much because of the source material but the books are simply better.
What they did with Edmure/the Blackfish was terrible. I did enjoy the conversation between Jamie and Edmure, but I agree with someone else about Jamie at this point in the book vs. Jamie at this point in the show. In the book at this point he is a completely changed man and he's over all of Cersei's lying and bullshit and he's turned into a good knight who has regained his honor. I'm not saying he's turned into Ned Stark, but he's definitely taken a HUGE step in that direction, which is why I don't like him using his desire to get back to Cersei as his main motivation. In the books he wants to get shit done for House Lannister without breaking his oaths.
I also hate that they had Edmure turn on the Blackfish. That did not happen in the books at all. In the books Jamie allowed Edmure back into the castle and Edmure let the Blackfish swim under the gate and down the river to get away. Bryndan is definitely going to be an important character going forward in the books. Edmure is not a huge badass in the books by any means, but the show makes him out to be a huge pussy which is simply not his character. In the books he is solid....a good guy who wants to rule the Riverlands well....no military genius, but not untalented in battle. Him turning on the Blackfish in the show and basically sentencing him to die sucks and makes me hate his character.
Everything happening with the faith in Kings Landing is stuff that the showrunners have made up because that area has completely surpassed the books chronologically, but I do not get the feeling that the crown and the faith are going to make a huge alliance in the books. I think Kings Landing is going to be in complete chaos going forward in the books now that Kevan is dead......I'll lose my shit if the High Sparrow reveals himself to be Howland Reed in either the books or the show and he seats Jon Snow on the throne.
I rewatched the episode tonight, and the Arya sequence makes even more sense. It was clear after she rolled down the steps with all the fruit baskets that she was leading the waif to her lair. She would intentionally smear blood as she rounded corners and on doorways to make sure she followed. The previous scenes before the episode began highlighted her in her lair with needle, blowing out the candle and it going pitch black.
I thought it was an easy yet relatively clever way to resolve that storyline. They couldn't show Arya just strait up beating the waif because she had shown she was so much better under normal conditions.
The look on Jaquens face at the end also makes me think that he wanted her to become Arya and got back to Westeros to collect names for the MFG all along.
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I don't think Jaqen is who we've been led to believe he is so far. Or, there is more to his character than we've seen.
Yea as I go back it definitely makes sense. All along I noticed her leaving blood trails. It was clear she wasn't being overly stealthy in her "escape". I just forgot the blind part was a punishment and though the Waif would have gone through it as well. Criticism rescinded ha.
I don't love the last paragraph you mentioned, though. Either this Jaquen dude is someone else or the Many Faced God has some super elaborate plot that we don't know about or why else would the dude waste months (or presumably years, we don't really know) training this chick just so she can leave? Something about that doesn't seem right.
And it wasn't like she had some huge epiphany. She realized she's Arya Stark and always will be? Ok, she never really completely rebelled against that. She wanted to become a no one simply so she could get trained and kill the people on her list. It always seemed she was faking it saying she was no one so if that's the case then what did she really learn?
The storyline just seems super weird and wasted.
I'm glad I can enjoy things, unlike some of y'all. Jeez, just stop watching
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Thats what Tyrion used during the Battle of the Blackwater in season 2.....
A Dance with Dragons has been out since 2011.....do we really need to say "spoiler alert" before talking about things that happened in a book that was released 5 years ago?
... yes .... because threads like these are about a show, not a book.
@CodingTiger I wouldn't worry too much. While I could be wrong, the book and show have diverted so much at this point, I doubt Kevan will die in the same manner as the book. Heck, it should've already happened. His character is much different in the book anyhow.
I figure he will still die as all Lannisters have to go in my opinion.
I figure he will still die as all Lannisters have to go in my opinion.
I would say yes for a thread about the TV series when something that happened in the book hasn't happened in the TV series yet. Now, I think it's silly to have to post "spoiler alerts" for stuff that happened two weeks ago in the TV series because people haven't caught up yet.
This. The two stories are completely different at this point so there's no telling what will happen, but I'd be willing to bet that Kevan dies in the show too, along with Cersei, Tommen, and the rest. I expect the complete and utter destruction of house Lannister (minus Tyrion) by the High Sparrow/Targaryans/Jon Snow.
Hard to tell with Jaime at this point as well. In the books, his arc is so much different than the show. I can see him either surviving in the books or dying for a purpose. I don't know what the hell will happen in the show. He's not as far down that road to redemption in the show.
One of the million ways that the books are better than the show. Jamie's story arc in the show is not nearly as complex and frankly not as enjoyable. I don't expect him to live in either one, honestly.
I agree there's really no way for book readers to spoil the show anymore.
Even the released chapters for the next book focus on Arianne (not in the show), Barrister Selmy (dead on the show), Sansa is still in the Vale, and the show has surpassed Arya's chapter in the sixth book.
Even the released chapters for the next book focus on Arianne (not in the show), Barrister Selmy (dead on the show), Sansa is still in the Vale, and the show has surpassed Arya's chapter in the sixth book.
What the show has done to the Dorne storyline borders on criminal. Good grief what an abortion.
Agreed.
What the heck is Varys up to? And they're trying to tell us that the Spider has no clue the Masters are amassing an invasion force?
If one goes back to the first meeting between Arya and Jaqen this seems very plausible. If one rewatches those early episodes, knowing what his real talents are, you have to wonder exactly why he was where he was. It almost appears that he was sent to meet Arya and give her incentive (and the coin) to do what she did. Typical "wheels within wheels" G. R. R. Martin plot lines.
I tend to agree. I think his death (if it happens) will be a lot more powerful in the books at this point. I will enter maximum over rustle if they kill him off screen like they've done with nearly everyone not named Arthur Dane this season.
I like hearing the differences from the book readers. I really wish we'd gotten the Jamie arc you're talking about. He's such a whiny neutered tool in the show. His coming to Jesus meeting with the prisoner (forget his name) was cool, but it seemed kinda hollow given his pull to "honor" that they continue to show with Brienne. Maybe they're setting up for him to betray her or something on show.
Yeah. It's never stated what he did to end up in the black cells at King's Landing. And based on what we know of Jaqen, it's unlikely he would have ended up there unintentionally.
its also likely that Jaqen is the alchemist whom we meet at the citadel in the prologue or first chapter of A Feast for Crows.
I think he's coming back with the Crows Eye, and I feel like Jamie will last while on the show. They have to let him and Brienne's story line play out. Jaqen totally got Arya and sent her on the right path.
Blackfish has to be alive just like in the books, he swam out.
Ding ding ding
I can't believe all the people complaining about his "death" being off screen never even stopping to consider its because he's not dead!
If you don't see him die (the Hound, Bran and Rickon etc) then there is usually a good reason for that!
In the books he becomes a completely different person after Catelyn Stark releases him from captivity and he starts traveling with Brienne back to Kings Landing. Then he gets his hand chopped off and tells the story about the Mad King's last days to Brienne in the Harrenhal bath house (which was much longer and more detailed in the book by the way) and you really for the first time get this sense that Jamie is not as bad of a guy as he's made out to be, and he's not the same guy who threw Bran out the window in the first book. From then on he gets his own POV chapters in the book and he is a changed man. The way he deals with Cersei changes, the way he views the situations in the Seven Kingdoms changes, and then they send him to the Riverlands and he bloodlessly takes Riverrun and Raventree with honor.
By the end of A Dance with Dragons, he's easily one of my favorite characters, because everyone loves a redemption story. That being said, with the way that book ends, I certainly think his death is not too far off on the horizon. I fully expect him to die in Winds of Winter, perhaps he and Cersei both.
You could be right but those situations you listed are not the same as the Blackfish. No one saw Clegane die or said he was dead, and the show let you know right way that Bran and Rickon were not dead. A Lannister soldier told Jamie the Blackfish died fighting, which would lead me to believe that Lannister men saw it happen or at least saw the body. I hope he is still alive in the show but I have my doubts. His last exchange with Brienne made it clear that he fully intended to go fight to the death and Edmure told his men to go clap him in irons without giving any special instructions to anyone. I am leaning towards believing that he's dead.
That would only be one in a long list of names of characters who died on the show but not yet in the books (Stannis, Ser Barristan, Prince Doran, Areo Hotah, Trystane Martell, etc.)
