OT: Earliest Human Fossils Discovered

[southerncaltiger]

as many as like 25% of this board *entertains*, if not outright believes, the young earth theory. i honestly didn't even know it was a thing till i started posting here. it's amazing. and so, so silly.

Sweet Jesus, 25%?...where did the educators & parents go wrong? Wait, forget I even asked that...that's a whole other set of issues.

i'm not a scientist. i haven't performed any "studies" on rocks and fossils. I am, and I have. Many times. I agree with you CP00.

 

[wdrcu75]

I wood believe her more if she did that nekkid.

 

[rollcall2daball]

I've never met anyone who really believes the earth is 6,000 years old. I just assume everyone that claims to is trolling.

 

[615mike]

I've never met anyone who really believes the earth is 6,000 years old. I just assume everyone that claims to is trolling.

There are plenty of folks who genuinely believe that. It's a common practice for some churches and communities to assert that their members are lacking in faith unless the accept the fact that the earth is 6000 years old. Or was created in 7 days.

The fact that science contradicts these numbers gives community/church members an opportunity to show even greater faith by asserting these beliefs because they refute existing scientific proof.

The battle between science and religion is real. And the battle between science and religion for our American educational curriculums is very real.

 

[MKOTiger]

Well, I’m not a paleontologist, but I did find a fossil once and I sure as hell didn’t make it up. I’ll add to that bry saying if you find a 10 meter femur fossil, you might have a good idea that it came from a damn big creature, whatever’s you want to call it.

 

[Steven15]

What makes you think that the Word of God, which is so frequently told via parable should be taken literally in this case? I, for one, am not willing to put my faith at risk by accepting every word of the old testament. Do we really think that angels came down, mated with humans and produced giants?

No, but we do believe in talking snakes and people surviving in a whales stomach.

It can be complicated choosing what to take literal and what to not.

 

[TheFightinOyster]

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That may be one of the least intelligent people I’ve ever seen, and I am quite sure she’s awful to be around. I hate her face.

 

[OrangeRegalia]

Big money? Yeah, maybe in micropaleonotology during the oil boom years (forams). Since I'm a geologist, I know/have met a lot of paleontologists...they ain't livin' over in Malibu in a mansion. Geez, the human gene pool needs some chlorine. Is this part of that idiotic "young earth" crap?

Ross Gellar has a sweet pad you dope!

 

[jeffcoat]

pretty cool story from yesterday in case you missed it.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ossils-outside-africa/?utm_term=.003a7642cc55

An ancient jawbone uncovered from a collapsed cave on the coast of Israel is at least 175,000 years old, and it belonged to a member of our own species. Sophisticated stone tools were discovered nearby.

The find, reported Thursday in the journal Science, is by far the oldest human fossil ever uncovered outside Africa, where our Homo sapiens originated. It pushes back the timeline of when modern humans began venturing to other continents by about 60,000 years and suggests people made several short-lived excursions into Eurasia millennia before we finally conquered the globe.

The owner of this jawbone was probably one of those early unsuccessful explorers — a tangent in the story of humanity, said Rick Potts, director of the Human Origins Program at Smithsonian's National Museum of Natural History. That does not mean it has nothing to tell us. Potts, who was not involved in the discovery, compared the Israeli fossil with the remains of failed colonization attempts like the Viking settlements in Newfoundland.

The oldest discovered outside of africa

 

[One Fingerd Fist]

Based on your studies, what is the most reliable proven method for dating fossils?

Taste.

 

[tigersrule#]

Sweet Jesus, 25%?...where did the educators & parents go wrong? Wait, forget I even asked that...that's a whole other set of issues.

i'm not a scientist. i haven't performed any "studies" on rocks and fossils. I am, and I have. Many times. I agree with you CP00.

I knew you would be in this thread. Preach it brother. There are some truly ignorant folks out there.

 

[coldbud1994]

It is cool but fallacious. 8-12,000 years old. Floods , big ones, do wonders on decay rates, and don't give me that carbon dating blah blah story.

You sound like a chem trail kinda guy

 

[coldbud1994]

I'm almost there...tell me more

Came down from the sky?? Two words: Ancient Aliens

 

[Goclem2011]

This isn’t to claim one side or the other but to just state some objective comments - for which we can discuss. We know those who hold more firmly to biblical teachings regarding creationism etc cite “the importance of having relative amounts of faith in what they believe and hold as being truth for themselves”. Science on the other hand bases it’s position on “proven years of testing and/or relatively reliable methods of testing” as evidence of their position being accurate.

Being somewhat in the middle of this (I oftentimes just enjoy reading the debates - and I’ve never had a gun to my head forcing me to take a side) it seems that science has not presented consistent and clear enough proof?! I ask rhetorically because if it had, would there not be a more clear consensus bw them and groups of people (the religious side) that essentially claim to rely more on faith.

Perhaps it’s a difference between peoples needs to put an issue to bed and move on. You don’t hear new changes to want creationism claims, right?! but we hear new “discoveries” from science that essentially undoes or restates years of previous thinking. But I guess that’s implicit in the field of science ... perhaps what’s troublesome is the feeling that though the above is true, regarding the changes in science; that community expects others to nod and believe in everything a long the way?!

Please call out anything I’ve commented on incorrectly.

 

[scotchtiger]

as many as like 25% of this board *entertains*, if not outright believes, the young earth theory. i honestly didn't even know it was a thing till i started posting here. it's amazing. and so, so silly.

I didn’t know it was a thing either until TI. I don’t think I’ve ever met someone in real life that believes it. Assuming it’s more of an upstate/Bible Belt thing?

 

[Joe Cobb]

What the hell did i just watch?

 

[MKOTiger]

No, but we do believe in talking snakes and people surviving in a whales stomach.

It can be complicated choosing what to take literal and what to not.

Damn, and all this time I thought Pinocchio was real.

 

[marshmk]

That may be one of the least intelligent people I’ve ever seen, and I am quite sure she’s awful to be around. I hate her face.

Dumbest bitch on planet Earth.....

 

[johnhugh]

It is cool but fallacious. 8-12,000 years old. Floods , big ones, do wonders on decay rates, and don't give me that carbon dating blah blah story.

8/10 due to head in sand southern demographic

 

[CUPLAYER1]

I didn’t know it was a thing either until TI. I don’t think I’ve ever met someone in real life that believes it. Assuming it’s more of an upstate/Bible Belt thing?

Never heard of it here

 

[Poker_Tiger]

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That represents 90% of the dating pool in this country.

Would seriously have to deliberate if putting up with a night of that crazy would be worth it.

Probably not.

 

[FLaw47]

I didn’t know it was a thing either until TI. I don’t think I’ve ever met someone in real life that believes it. Assuming it’s more of an upstate/Bible Belt thing?

I assumed that no one was that way until I dated a new earther. I found out that a lot of people I knew felt the same way as she did when I started talking about how ridiculous it was.

I imagine you know plenty of people who think that science is made up but have just assumed that everyone was like you. I found out that my own mother wasn't sure she believed in evolution!

 

[saber8689]

This isn’t to claim one side or the other but to just state some objective comments - for which we can discuss. We know those who hold more firmly to biblical teachings regarding creationism etc cite “the importance of having relative amounts of faith in what they believe and hold as being truth for themselves”. Science on the other hand bases it’s position on “proven years of testing and/or relatively reliable methods of testing” as evidence of their position being accurate.

Being somewhat in the middle of this (I oftentimes just enjoy reading the debates - and I’ve never had a gun to my head forcing me to take a side) it seems that science has not presented consistent and clear enough proof?! I ask rhetorically because if it had, would there not be a more clear consensus bw them and groups of people (the religious side) that essentially claim to rely more on faith.

Perhaps it’s a difference between peoples needs to put an issue to bed and move on. You don’t hear new changes to want creationism claims, right?! but we hear new “discoveries” from science that essentially undoes or restates years of previous thinking. But I guess that’s implicit in the field of science ... perhaps what’s troublesome is the feeling that though the above is true, regarding the changes in science; that community expects others to nod and believe in everything a long the way?!

Please call out anything I’ve commented on incorrectly.

Few points

1) Peoples hesitation to believe something has little to do with there not being enough evidence and more to do with world views. Evolution, time lines of earth history, etc will ALWAYS cause controversy as long as it goes against the vast majority of Americans world view. Scientist use the same process to predict the eclipse, but no one argues that point...

2) I think it's a false narrative that scientist want everyone to believe something along the way. In fact, scientist want you to be skeptical of everything. They want you to disprove things using the scientific method. What bothers them is people who latch on to one shortcoming to "prove" everything is wrong.

Similar to how Clemson not getting a 5 star safety proves that our entire recruiting operation is a sham.