OT: IF PERRY NOBLE CARED, HE WOULD HELP FIND DARCY
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1. If they are giving a car away every week(which ranks in the top 10 of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard), please confirm all those who have received those Jeeps and/or support the giveaway support the SC Lottery and most forms of gambling. That's essentially what that is. That's an abomination and a disgraceful way to get people involved. It used to be about Jesus and the church community, now it's 4 wheel drive?
2. What is the general IQ makeup of New Springers? Like Jerry Springer, he makes his living off of blue collar trash. At least he's quite clear about it. Is this guy promoting that he's saving people but coaxes them into the church with giveaways? Sycuan Casino advertises this....... But it's a Casino. They don't hide it. What's the Perry Noble sales pitch? Come get saved and drive away in style?
3. This church has been the center of discussion for years. Why the continued controversy if it's doing such a good job "saving people".
Sounds like Joel Olsteen is offended.
2. What is the general IQ makeup of New Springers? Like Jerry Springer, he makes his living off of blue collar trash. At least he's quite clear about it. Is this guy promoting that he's saving people but coaxes them into the church with giveaways? Sycuan Casino advertises this....... But it's a Casino. They don't hide it. What's the Perry Noble sales pitch? Come get saved and drive away in style?
3. This church has been the center of discussion for years. Why the continued controversy if it's doing such a good job "saving people".
Sounds like Joel Olsteen is offended.
this is like multiple threads woven into one...we have jokes, we have anger, we have irrational, and we have religion/atheist education.
it is internet forum at it's finest
it is internet forum at it's finest
I just don't get the hatred for anyone. If newspring or Christianity isn't your thing, fine. But don't belittle them. I am a Christian and hope that one day you guys see the light, but I don't think less of you if you don't.
I would say the average IQ is around 40. I went about a year ago just to see what it was all about, and I am not saying everyone is, but you can just tell that the majority of the people are very weak minded. Young people, single moms, non college educated, etc. There are certainly some smart people there, but you aren't going to find many doctors, business owners, CPAs, lawyers, etc there.
is there a 5 star rating system for converts, like here at Rivals ?
This post was edited on 7/2 8:41 AM by 96tigergrad
30 seconds into the google search and im certain i want to gut punch him. weaselly bastard. and just look at him. how could you notOriginally posted by Ron Munson:
It remains to be seen what NewSpring's impact will be. If a church dies when it's pastor does(of old age)nothing was accomplished. If NS is truly a cult of personality as some say, it will have actually hindered the cause of Christ not advanced it. Perry's close bromance with Steven Furtick is an association that makes me nervous. Furtick's a dangerous guy who reads himself or his church in to every Bible verse he preaches. Narcissistic eisogesis is Furtick's disease.
1- They don't give away Jeeps every Sunday. They have given away things like that before, but I think it was because somebody at the dealership donated it to them.
2- NewSpring used to be mostly made up of Clemson students, not "blue collar trash." It's a myth that most evangelicals (which includes a lot of mega- church goers) are poor, ignorant hicks. In fact, most are middle class suburbanites or young single people. But I would hope there's a little "blue collar trash" mixed in with every congregation, or else your church isn't doing enough to be inclusive of everybody.
3. I've had it pointed out to me that the reason people discuss this church so much is because it's so unavoidable in the upstate area. So some of the people in the area who aren't members complain about it, the people in the area who are members (you don't actually hear much from them on this board) or who think we should live and let live defend it, while a few of us who knew about NewSpring back when it started might defend it without understanding why it gets talked about so much. At any rate, you can't expect people to just sit back say nothing when people unfairly criticize a church or a pastor.
Actually, Christ has done more for the cause of Christ than anyone in the state. No doubt God can draw a straight line with a crooked stick. I'm a prime example. NewSpring is a brand as you can tell by the spelling. The Church will prevail with or without "branding".
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I will give Noble some credit. He is an engaging, authoritative, and talented speaker. That being said, this is the sermon where Perry says if you don't tithe God will take it. Your car will break down, your children will be sickly, and you won't be able to keep a job if you don't tithe. Oh and he references the Passover implying that if you don't tithe God could kill your first born son. This is the person that people defend? Everyone is entitled to their beliefs, but do people really believe this?
They even have all the verses related to tithing on their website, but they conveniently left off the one in the new testament that makes tithing irrelevant and just says give what you feel called to give. Tithing is an old Testament principal and not part of the New Covenant....but I don't expect your typical New Spring "Owner" to understand a concept this challenging.
Darcy is appalachiatiger's estranged son whom is supposedly traveling westward with a caravan of hippie gypsies. He's four years old and is allowed to watch R-rated movies and slice organic vegetables with sharp kitchen knives unsupervised.
This post was edited on 7/2 12:46 PM by Lot4tiger
This post was edited on 7/2 12:46 PM by Lot4tiger
Most theologians would not agree with this, which is why nearly every orthodox Christian church still preaches tithing as a duty.
Here's what Tim Keller has to say about tithing:
""A perennial question is, though believers in the Old Testament were required to tithe their income, are New Testament Christians so required? The principle we have been using ? that the coming of Christ changes Old Testament laws, yet they still have some abiding validity ? holds true for tithing. In Luke 11:42, Jesus chastises the Pharisees for 'tithing your garden herbs but neglecting justice and the love of God.' That is, they were diligent to tithe their income, but they were exploitative in their business dealings and unjust in their relationships. Then Jesus adds, 'You should have practiced the latter without leaving the former undone.' In other words, Jesus affirms tithing, but says that by itself it is not enough. Put another way, for a Christian, tithing is a minimum standard for generosity and doing justice. Christian believers are not less indebted to and blessed by God than Old Testament believers were. Therefore we should not imagine that God's standards for generosity would be lower for New Testament Christians than for Old Testament believers. 'To whom much is given, much shall be required' (Luke 12:48).""
Churches preach it because they need the money. They talk about how so many things in the Old Testament don't apply anymore, but they say differently for tithing. If you actually read every verse in the Bible related to tithing, you will see that it is an Old Testament philosophy...but again, churches leave that out because they need your money and it is easier to give people a bar to set, as oppose to just asking for an offering.
The Bible says that the tithing law will change when the priesthood changes, and that changed with Jesus Christ.
The only verse in the New Testament directly related to giving is 2 Corinthians 9:7 - Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, [so let him give]; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.
If you want to give 10%, then that is great, but for a church to push it, and threaten people for not giving, is a joke.
Let's not turn this thread into a religious pi$$ing contest. THERE IS A YOUNG BOY OUT THERE, YEARNING FOR A CHANCE ENCOUNTER FROM HIS HIPPIE (YET BUSINESS INSURANCE SAVVY) FATHER! WHO KNOWS HOW MANY FATHERLESS CHILDREN THIS BAND OF ROAMING HOBOS ARE ENSLAVING IN THEIR DANGEROUS VEGETABLE SLICING OPERATION?!
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