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[PalmettoTiger1]

My retired school teacher wife and I were discussing the no in person schooling

Her attitude is cut all salaries to those who do not want to go back

I have close family who opened the school year and have not missed a beat

not a single day of school had to be canceled
Although there were times people had to sit out

what is wrong with the idiots in charge

Morons voting for morons

you get what you are

 

[jgilchrist7]

I think the issue they were running into was they didn't have enough subs to spell the teachers out with covid. But yea, changing the student schedules every month is dumb. And if a teacher is scared for her/his safety they probably need to retire and find a career where you can work from home.

 

[JSpears5]

School was closed in Fort Mill before Christmas because so many teachers had Covid that they could not hold classes

It was not abnormal to have big numbers of teachers sick, just had gotten to the point of not being able to cover it

My neighbors kindergartener has not had a teacher since Christmas break, both of her teachers have Covid and have been in the hospital

So, I guess not all situation are the same

 

[UpstateTgrFan]

I like teachers and used to be one. But teachers' unions are the worst. It's pathetic.

 

[PalmettoTiger1]

My retired teacher wife said what was over the top was teachers posting on Facebook pictures of them in resorts places in the US and Carribean
While doing remote teaching

you get the drift I am sure

 

[CU Alumnus]

My retired school teacher wife and I were discussing the no in person schooling

Her attitude is cut all salaries to those who do not want to go back

I have close family who opened the school year and have not missed a beat

not a single day of school had to be canceled
Although there were times people had to sit out

what is wrong with the idiots in charge

Morons voting for morons

you get what you are

I'm not sure we're there yet but at some point we will have to do something like that for teachers who refuse to go back.

School was closed in Fort Mill before Christmas because so many teachers had Covid that they could not hold classes

It was not abnormal to have big numbers of teachers sick, just had gotten to the point of not being able to cover it

My neighbors kindergarten teacher has not had a teacher since Christmas break, both of her teachers have Covid and have been in the hospital

So, I guess not all situation are the same

I can understand having to change things if they literally cannot put enough teachers in the classrooms to have a class. I think that's different than teachers refusing to go back because "we don't feel safe" - ie Chicago.

I think in some areas, that could be a real possibility. But there comes a point where they will have to assume some risk.

 

[doodog]

Hey OP,

 

[Dakota's Day]

I think the issue they were running into was they didn't have enough subs to spell the teachers out with covid. But yea, changing the student schedules every month is dumb. And if a teacher is scared for her/his safety they probably need to retire and find a career where you can work from home.

To be fair to the teachers maybe you should spend a week in their shoes. It is easy to point fingers and make claims like this when you are not the one involved or you loved one isn’t. Do you know what the current protocol is for your district? Are you aware of how many teachers lives have been completely overturned by this? The media is always straight forward providing the best possible and unbiased information.
Most districts don’t even have the custodial staff available to disinfect their rooms properly.

Walk a mile in their shoes and then tell them they should quit. Teachers are the most under appreciated profession out there. Do more with less. Our society would be a whole lot better if people would get off their ivory towers and have appreciation for others.

Before the obligatory snowflake comment comes out from someone, that couldn’t be further from the truth here. The situation in Chicago is a different situation but let’s quit casting such a wide net in our assessments.

 

[TooterTownTiger]

If you told those teachers they either go to work now, or they’ll make it up during the summer break, they’d all go back tomorrow.
Teachers are an example of a profession that should not be able to Unionize.

 

[jgilchrist7]

To be fair to the teachers maybe you should spend a week in their shoes. It is easy to point fingers and make claims like this when you are not the one involved or you loved one isn’t. Do you know what the current protocol is for your district? Are you aware of how many teachers lives have been completely overturned by this? The media is always straight forward providing the best possible and unbiased information.
Most districts don’t even have the custodial staff available to disinfect their rooms properly.

Walk a mile in their shoes and then tell them they should quit. Teachers are the most under appreciated profession out there. Do more with less. Our society would be a whole lot better if people would get off their ivory towers and have appreciation for others.

Before the obligatory snowflake comment comes out from someone, that couldn’t be further from the truth here. The situation in Chicago is a different situation but let’s quit casting such a wide net in our assessments.

Actually I am a teacher👀. So are my mom and wife..... school is about the kids not the teachers.

 

[doodog]

To be fair to the teachers maybe you should spend a week in their shoes. It is easy to point fingers and make claims like this when you are not the one involved or you loved one isn’t. Do you know what the current protocol is for your district? Are you aware of how many teachers lives have been completely overturned by this? The media is always straight forward providing the best possible and unbiased information.
Most districts don’t even have the custodial staff available to disinfect their rooms properly.

Walk a mile in their shoes and then tell them they should quit. Teachers are the most under appreciated profession out there. Do more with less. Our society would be a whole lot better if people would get off their ivory towers and have appreciation for others.

Before the obligatory snowflake comment comes out from someone, that couldn’t be further from the truth here. The situation in Chicago is a different situation but let’s quit casting such a wide net in our assessments.

 

[eubyscott]

My wife’s district has been full go since mid September. She’s been very thankful they haven’t had to go to all virtual. Thankfully the school hasn’t had a situation where there were too many teachers out with Covid or contact tracing protocols that forced all online.

This year, as for most people, has been incredibly challenging for teachers. I’m very proud of how my wife has handled it. Some of her co-workers have made lots of excuses and “whined” a lot. But the majority of teachers have pulled up their bootstraps and done the job they were called to do, as have the majority of people in this country.

 

[CUFam98]

Hey OP,

You must be a high school debate teacher. 😃

 

[Mr. Roger Dorn]

Maybe prioritize teachers in the vaccine line before skipping to not paying.

 

[jgilchrist7]

My wife’s district has been full go since mid September. She’s been very thankful they haven’t had to go to all virtual. Thankfully the school hasn’t had a situation where there were too many teachers out with Covid or contact tracing protocols that forced all online.

This year, as for most people, has been incredibly challenging for teachers. I’m very proud of how my wife has handled it. Some of her co-workers have made lots of excuses and “whined” a lot. But the majority of teachers have pulled up their bootstraps and done the job they were called to do, as have the majority of people in this country.

Agreed, just like everything else it's a few that give the rest a bad rap

 

[PalmettoTiger1]

Hey OP,

thank you for the intellectual response

can I thank a teacher for that

 

[jgilchrist7]

Maybe prioritize teachers in the vaccine line before skipping to not paying.

.04% death rate sir, the flu was higher(when it actually existed). A good portion of teachers didn't take that vaccine.

 

[jgilchrist7]

thank you for the intellectual response

can I thank a teacher for that

His username says it all bro

 

[PalmettoTiger1]

To be fair to the teachers maybe you should spend a week in their shoes. It is easy to point fingers and make claims like this when you are not the one involved or you loved one isn’t. Do you know what the current protocol is for your district? Are you aware of how many teachers lives have been completely overturned by this? The media is always straight forward providing the best possible and unbiased information.
Most districts don’t even have the custodial staff available to disinfect their rooms properly.

Walk a mile in their shoes and then tell them they should quit. Teachers are the most under appreciated profession out there. Do more with less. Our society would be a whole lot better if people would get off their ivory towers and have appreciation for others.

Before the obligatory snowflake comment comes out from someone, that couldn’t be further from the truth here. The situation in Chicago is a different situation but let’s quit casting such a wide net in our assessments.

I want to clarify that to me teachers are the most valuable of professions

that is why it is so disappointing to see the disgraceful conduct by failing to return when so many professions are taking risks every day

 

[march78]

The teacher shortage will continue to get worse . I wouldn't go through what the teachers go through for anything. Nobody wants to teach anymore. Look at the decrease in ED. major at Clemson and everywhere else . Good luck with your alternative plan. Oh yea , you can pull out the check book and pay for private school or quit your job and home school.

 

[jgilchrist7]

I want to clarify that to me teachers are the most valuable of professions

that is why it is so disappointing to see the disgraceful conduct by failing to return when so many professions are taking risks every day

School administrators are terrified of law suits. Mostly because some parents have threatened them if their child catches covid from school. That doesn't keep them away from wal mart tho.

 

[Intracoastal]

The public school system and teachers have really done a lot of damage to itself this past year. They are widening the gap between private and public. The haves and have nots. Private school applications are through the roof for a multitude of social and governmental reasons.

The ones being hurt the most by this are the kids. Also, most lower class individuals and families do not work in careers where they can work from home if the kids aren't in school so it's hurting them as well.

 

[march78]

School administrators are terrified of law suits. Mostly because some parents have threatened them if their child catches covid from school. That doesn't keep them away from wal mart tho.

 

[jroller]

For the record, it's not the teachers who make those decisions. And in SC, there is no real union or even an effective lobby. Teachers, in large part, will do what they are asked to do just like anyone else who depends on their job to sustain themselves and their families.

I personally know teachers who have chosen to leave the profession to protect themselves. In fact, the teacher across the hall from me left a couple of weeks ago, at the semester switch, because our district was clearly going to return to 5 day face-to-face instruction (coming next week).

Me, I have 79 school days to go in my career (and 113 sick days built up). Hoping to make it there safely.

 

[Intracoastal]

One thing I constantly hear is how much the teacher care about their students. How much they love them and want to teach them and blah blah blah.

Seems to me that private school teachers care more about their students.


My mother, who is 66 and taught for over 35 years, is embarrassed by what these public school teachers are doing.

 

[march78]

Great point - all the control has been taken out of the schools because of fear of lawsuits and sorry-arse parents who whine all the time because they expect the school do what they have failed to do with their kid at home .

 

[Jfcarter3]

My wife is a middle school teacher, my mom is a high school teacher, my son is in elementary school, and my two daughters are in daycare. We cover all levels of education. All go 5 days a week and (knocking on wood) COVID has not gotten our house. Prioritize getting the teachers vaccinated since they were dubbed "essential workers" and get them back in the classroom.

Everyone that says it is a thankless profession are correct, btw. Who wants to go and raise other people's children with both hands tied behind their back? Can't discipline the kids, their parents act like they pay teachers' salaries because they pay taxes so they treat teachers like second class citizens, many of the parents are uneducated and put zero emphasis on their children's education, the education the kids do receive is watered-down and the students are seldomly held accountable for anything. I wouldn't do it.

 

[JSpears5]

I'm not sure we're there yet but at some point we will have to do something like that for teachers who refuse to go back.



I can understand having to change things if they literally cannot put enough teachers in the classrooms to have a class. I think that's different than teachers refusing to go back because "we don't feel safe".

I think in some areas, that could be a real possibility. But there comes a point where they will have to assume some risk.

Teacher Annual Salary in South Carolina ($29,311 Avg | Feb 2021) - ZipRecruiter

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According USNews, SC is 43rd in education. But you know, lets run off all the experienced teachers because they do not want to get sick and hire us some new ones at what ziprecruiters says is an average salary of $29,000 a year in SC. But do not worry, when the $15 min wage is put in, they will get a $2k per year raise.

You know those teachers (that at least my district was 80 short of at the beginning of the year and had numerous more quit mid-year or that are now out for medical leave) just grow on trees.

OP, your wife coming back out of retirement?

 

[tigers_and_valves]

Yalls lazy wives need to stay home and teach your childrens.

 

[Mr. Roger Dorn]

.04% death rate sir, the flu was higher(when it actually existed). A good portion of teachers didn't take that vaccine.

I’m not arguing the death rate. I’m not even arguing that some teachers don’t need to go. But if teachers are prioritized, there is a stronger argument for showing two groups to the door: 1. Those that take the vaccine and refuse to return to the classroom and 2. Those that decline the vaccine and refuse to return to the classroom.

I’m all for getting paycheck collectors off of government payrolls.

 

[Hammerhead04]

Proud if our school district, teachers, administrators, students and parents here in the Upstate. I have 3 kids currently in grades school. The phase in to full time went very well. We have had teachers test positive or miss time due to contact. My wife was a substitute nurse while our school nurse was out for testing positive.

There has not been any attitude that I have picked up from anyone involved that the school district was going to be pushed around by fear. Have they made adjustments, sure. Have there been extra circular activities that have been cancelled, yes and that has disappointing and somewhat understandable.

But overall, super happy they have not coward to the fear. The Elementary, Intermediate and Middle Schools are running full out! Our Principal of the Elementary has to be in her upper 60's or low 70's and runs a tight ship. She cares about the students and so do the teachers.

 

[wmnesbitt]

The Teaching profession is no different than any other profession when it comes to the individual person's reaction to COVID.

What COVID has done is shed a light on the true nature of many people. I have seen it at so many different business and careers.

COVID gave lazy people the excuse to do nothing and fight for getting paid for no work.

There are a few major categories of people and their response to COVID.

1. Those that were heavily impacted by the virus and have been left fighting for their lives and jobs. This is a small but important group.
2. Those that had government restrictions placed on their business (mostly small business and restaurant types) and want to open back up and return to their livelihoods
3. Those that were largely not impacted by COVID or government. I have seen a lot of these.
4. Those that have followed the rules, had COVID, was traced to someone with COVID and had to quarantine for 2 weeks or whatever then return to work
5. Those that have used COVID as an excuse to sit on their asses and hope to keep collecting unemployment and can't wait for that $1400 Biden promised so they can continue doing nothing. I have seen so many of these people. Many claim to have been contact traced to get another two weeks off. this has hurt a few larger companies who rely on the labor. Many play a game of I was traced this week and gets others off, then the next time another gets it. You can't challenge their claims and have to just deal with it.

I have noticed many take advantage of the protocols to have a year's vacation. Sorry, but some people really suck. And many aspects of the government enable this type of behavior.

When you can make more on unemployment that your could at a job, something is wrong.

 

[Hammerhead04]

School administrators are terrified of law suits. Mostly because some parents have threatened them if their child catches covid from school. That doesn't keep them away from wal mart tho.

The parents have the opportunity to sign up for online or homeschooling. Has there really been a lawsuit? How could it hold up?

 

[Jmoney843]

I look at Florida and how they have handled this situation, and it seems that all states should start to follow their model.

I understand the teachers who have underlying conditions who do not want to go back into a classroom until they are vaccinated, but the ones who are young and healthy need to get back to work.

If the 3rd largest state can open up, and keep their Covid positive population per capita lower than the states who have not opened up. Something is wrong.

 

[wmnesbitt]

Oh, and I have seen more people put more effort into not working than they would to actually work.

 

[Intracoastal]

Teacher Annual Salary in South Carolina ($29,311 Avg | Feb 2021) - ZipRecruiter

$13,688 - $50,033. How much do Teacher jobs pay a year? The average annual pay for a Teacher Job in South Carolina is $29,311 a year.

www.ziprecruiter.com

According USNews, SC is 43rd in education. But you know, lets run off all the experienced teachers because they do not want to get sick and hire us some new ones at what ziprecruiters says is an average salary of $29,000 a year in SC. But do not worry, when the $15 min wage is put in, they will get a $2k per year raise.

You know those teachers (that at least my district was 80 short of at the beginning of the year and had numerous more quit mid-year or that are now out for medical leave) just grow on trees.

OP, your wife coming back out of retirement?

Private school teachers on average make decent % less than public school teachers yet they are at work while the public teachers are not.

That average pay of $29k for SC teachers is also complete BS. That's the bare bones minimum for a first year teacher with no experience and no additional credentials working at a K-5 grade level. For the 2020-2021 academic year the bare bones minimum for the lowest tier teacher is 35K. In other districts like York, the minimum is 40K. Most public teachers in SC are being paid between 40-60K with the average probably being around 50K.

 

[TigerJR]

You are an idiot and offer nothing to this site.

 

[jtjosey]

The public school system and teachers have really done a lot of damage to itself this past year. They are widening the gap between private and public. The haves and have nots. Private school applications are through the roof for a multitude of social and governmental reasons.

The ones being hurt the most by this are the kids. Also, most lower class individuals and families do not work in careers where they can work from home if the kids aren't in school so it's hurting them as well.

What bothers me the most is what you raised in your post. It is the children who are hurt the most by the abominable behavior of the largest teacher's unions during the pandemic. While I agree that teachers should be able to get priority in being vaccinated and that being a teacher is a thankless and underappreciated profession, the children are being irreparably harmed by missing out on in person learning.

This is why I am a huge believer in the Charter School movement. This is something that the teacher's unions along with their many allies in the democratic party are fighting tooth and nail. Ultimately, competition makes us all better in our job performance and teachers are no exceptions. So, when a democrat tells you that they are for the advancement of minorities in our society ask them why they are assisting the unions in keeping these kids trapped in failing public school systems by preventing the formation of new charter schools.

Throughout all of the social justice stuff that we've been through recently, I couldn't help but think that minority kids deserve a better fate than being stuck in a failing public school. Charter schools are running circles around the public schools in terms of graduating minority kids with excellent math and reading skills that set them up to succeed at the next level. If we really want to get serious about improving outcomes for minority kids, then we need to start looking at real solutions like increasing the number of charter schools instead of taking down statues and simply virtue signaling.

 

[doodog]

Teacher Annual Salary in South Carolina ($29,311 Avg | Feb 2021) - ZipRecruiter

$13,688 - $50,033. How much do Teacher jobs pay a year? The average annual pay for a Teacher Job in South Carolina is $29,311 a year.

www.ziprecruiter.com

According USNews, SC is 43rd in education. But you know, lets run off all the experienced teachers because they do not want to get sick and hire us some new ones at what ziprecruiters says is an average salary of $29,000 a year in SC. But do not worry, when the $15 min wage is put in, they will get a $2k per year raise.

You know those teachers (that at least my district was 80 short of at the beginning of the year and had numerous more quit mid-year or that are now out for medical leave) just grow on trees.

OP, your wife coming back out of retirement?

 

[jgilchrist7]

The parents have the opportunity to sign up for online or homeschooling. Has there really been a lawsuit? How could it hold up?

Some parents have threatened them. Probably wouldn't hold up but would bring terrible press to the school district.