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I think they will work to gain market share with competitive pricing against the foreign brands that may have increased costs.
I’m sure they’ll price lower, no doubt. But they’ll raise prices like 90% of the way to the foreign prices or something like that.

Similar to the grocery stores during covid, once supply was actually fixed.
 
Not likely. We’re headed for an inflationary spiral unless some of the Republican cucks in Washington wake up and stop the idiocy.

Inflation is the result of an upwards shift in the ratio of money to goods. Tariffs are set to drastically reduce the amount of inventory across nearly all sectors, rate cuts would throw gas on an already dangerously hot fire.
Inflation is the result of too much government spending. USAID is exhibit A
 
No one is acknowledging the deflationary pressure of DOGE.

No one is acknowledging the deflationary pressure of energy prices coming down and interest rates coming down.

Nothing happens in a vacuum folks.

Prices are down drastically since Trump took office. Let the man cook. He won. He is not doing anything he didn't campaign on.
 
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A billionaire backer of Donald Trump has urged the US president to pause his recently announced trade tariffs, or risk "a self-induced, economic nuclear winter".

Amid market turmoil, hedge fund manager Bill Ackman said the president should take three months to allow countries to renegotiate their trading relationships with the US.

On Monday, Mr Ackman's warning was echoed by another prominent Wall Street figure, with JPMorgan Chase chairman Jamie Dimon saying that Trump's tariffs risked pushing up prices for Americans.

 
Stock market is not the economy
I wonder if the people that now have 401k/IRA retirement plans instead of pensions believe that. I also wonder what the folks that wanted to invest their own Social Security in the markets think about 1 person having the ability to wipe out their future by tanking the markets and caring not because the markets arent the economy.

News for a few, while not the economy, the markets will drive economy. The tariffs are only one issue, the capricious nature of their development and ability of 1 person to make that decision scares a lot of people — and fear is a significant driver when deciding to spend or invest.

Money will not flow from retirees deflated retirement accounts into the economy, those still trying to retire will now divert even more money into saving for retirement so that money won’t flow into the economy, businesses are now dealing with economic uncertainty and will not be as likely to invest in job creating expansions in areas of uncertainty (the US) as many will decide a reasonable profit at lower risk generated somewhere else is better than potentially equal or bigger profit with higher uncertainty risk.

Right now, the admin has a done a horrid job of communicating- are the tariffs in place permanently to replace income taxes? Are they temporary to create negotiating opportunities? If temporary tactic, how are they going to make millions of Americans who have lost trillions of dollars whole? It appears the admin can’t explain it because they are still making it up as they go. Not the sign of leadership.
 
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I wonder if the people that now have 401k/IRA retirement plans instead of pensions believe that. I also wonder what the folks that wanted to invest their own Social Security in the markets think about 1 person having the ability to wipe out their future think by tanking the markets and caring not because the markets arent the economy.

News for a few, while not the economy, the markets will drive economy. The tariffs are only one issue, the capricious nature of their development and ability of 1 person to make that decision scares a lot of people — and fear is a significant driver when decid8ng to spend or invest.

Money will not flow from retirees deflated retirement accounts into the economy, those still trying to retire will now divert even more money into saving for retirement so that money won’t flow into the economy, businesses are now dealing with economic uncertainty and will not be as likely to invest in job creating expansions in areas of uncertainty (the US) as many will decide a reasonable profit at lower risk generated somewhere else is better than potentially equal or bigger profit with higher uncertainty risk is preferable.

Right now, the admin has a done a horrid job of communicating- are the tariffs in place permanently to replace income taxes? Are they temporary to create negotiating opportunities? If temporary tactic, how are they going to make millions of Americans who have lost trillions of dollars whole? It appears the admin can’t explain it because they are still making it up as they go. Not the sign of leadership.


Absolutely the point I would make. The communication of what the goals are is leading to much of the panic and uncertainty. It's literally the messaging on our company calls, nobody knows what to expect, so we are being cautious with spending and investing. It's absolutely hurting our company who had major plans to expand this year and those have been largely tabled unless they were too far in to stop.

They have got to improve the messaging, it's all over the place and extremely unprepared.
 
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The Tariff Plan is going GREAT

If it has to be explained to you then you will never understand no matter how much it is explained

Just sit back and suffer TDS and ANXIETY

THINK THE WORLD IS ENDING

THE ANSWER IS THIS IS JUST A BIG WAVE

BETTER TIMES AHEAD

THE GOLDEN AGE OF AMERICA IS ON THE WAY
 
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Elon in his feelings after being replaced by Laura Loomer as Trump's new consigliere

 
The Jury is In

The World is Coming to the Mountain

The Mountain is NOT going to the Countries of the World

TRUMP IS WINNING BAD FOR THOSE WHO NEED A TRANSLATION ON HOW TO NEGOTIATE
 
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The Tariff Plan is going GREAT

If it has to be explained to you then you will never understand no matter how much it is explained

Just sit back and suffer TDS and ANXIETY

THINK THE WORLD IS ENDING

THE ANSWER IS THIS IS JUST A BIG WAVE

BETTER TIMES AHEAD

THE GOLDEN AGE OF AMERICA IS ON THE WAY
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This reminds me of Brexit. Which in case any doofus was curious, was a total failure.

Brexit, the UK's withdrawal from the EU, has led to significant economic challenges, including a projected long-term reduction in the UK's economy by about 4% and a decline in goods exports. While some sectors, like services, have performed well, overall trade has been negatively impacted by new barriers and regulations.
 
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Sitting back watching how little some of you “get it”, is the entertaining part.

Waiting for opportunity but too much noise to figure out what to buy. Can’t figure out if the knife is falling or if it’s a dead cat. My only concern is that I am not sure ANYONE gets it, including the guy calling the plays.
 
The Tariff Plan is going GREAT

If it has to be explained to you then you will never understand no matter how much it is explained

Just sit back and suffer TDS and ANXIETY

THINK THE WORLD IS ENDING

THE ANSWER IS THIS IS JUST A BIG WAVE

BETTER TIMES AHEAD

THE GOLDEN AGE OF AMERICA IS ON THE WAY
They give you a hard time about your sentence structure, and use of all caps, but the silence will be deafening when you turn out to be correct.
 
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I wonder if the people that now have 401k/IRA retirement plans instead of pensions believe that. I also wonder what the folks that wanted to invest their own Social Security in the markets think about 1 person having the ability to wipe out their future by tanking the markets and caring not because the markets arent the economy.

News for a few, while not the economy, the markets will drive economy. The tariffs are only one issue, the capricious nature of their development and ability of 1 person to make that decision scares a lot of people — and fear is a significant driver when deciding to spend or invest.

Money will not flow from retirees deflated retirement accounts into the economy, those still trying to retire will now divert even more money into saving for retirement so that money won’t flow into the economy, businesses are now dealing with economic uncertainty and will not be as likely to invest in job creating expansions in areas of uncertainty (the US) as many will decide a reasonable profit at lower risk generated somewhere else is better than potentially equal or bigger profit with higher uncertainty risk.

Right now, the admin has a done a horrid job of communicating- are the tariffs in place permanently to replace income taxes? Are they temporary to create negotiating opportunities? If temporary tactic, how are they going to make millions of Americans who have lost trillions of dollars whole? It appears the admin can’t explain it because they are still making it up as they go. Not the sign of leadership.
I have a 401k, an IRA, an investment account, BTC, all that. Idc what happens to my retirement right now today. I’m not going to retire for another 25 years. You need to understand that part. There’s millions of people like me that dgaf about our 401k bc we are being obliterated with taxes and inflation. I want a nation that is America and Americans first. That may mean my 401 takes a little hit, I’m ok with that. A 401k to the 40 year olds making the country work is meaningless. It’s just a number on a screen until they’ve turned 67. The freak out is premature, yall need to calm down and take a look at what’s happened and understand it’s not even remotely sustainable. My generation cannot fund all the boomers and illegals and all your other nonsense. We don’t want to either . It was posted earlier that 10% of the population controls 88% of the market, that’s the dumbest shit I’ve ever seen. You gambled with your money. Oh well!
 
Waiting for opportunity but too much noise to figure out what to buy. Can’t figure out if the knife is falling or if it’s a dead cat. My only concern is that I am not sure ANYONE gets it, including the guy calling the plays.
The entire market will bounce back. Jesus you guys a soft. I would imagine savvy investors are buying right now. Yall are whining.
 
I have a 401k, an IRA, an investment account, BTC, all that. Idc what happens to my retirement right now today. I’m not going to retire for another 25 years. You need to understand that part. There’s millions of people like me that dgaf about our 401k bc we are being obliterated with taxes and inflation. I want a nation that is America and Americans first. That may mean my 401 takes a little hit, I’m ok with that. A 401k to the 40 year olds making the country work is meaningless. It’s just a number on a screen until they’ve turned 67. The freak out is premature, yall need to calm down and take a look at what’s happened and understand it’s not even remotely sustainable. My generation cannot fund all the boomers and illegals and all your other nonsense. We don’t want to either . It was posted earlier that 10% of the population controls 88% of the market, that’s the dumbest shit I’ve ever seen. You gambled with your money. Oh well!
Republican ideology in a nutshell: Doesn't affect me, so I don't care.

I feel for all the boomers who are having their retirement accounts obliterated, but who cares since I won't retire for another 20 years and it doesn't affect me.
 
I have a 401k, an IRA, an investment account, BTC, all that. Idc what happens to my retirement right now today. I’m not going to retire for another 25 years. You need to understand that part. There’s millions of people like me that dgaf about our 401k bc we are being obliterated with taxes and inflation. I want a nation that is America and Americans first. That may mean my 401 takes a little hit, I’m ok with that. A 401k to the 40 year olds making the country work is meaningless. It’s just a number on a screen until they’ve turned 67. The freak out is premature, yall need to calm down and take a look at what’s happened and understand it’s not even remotely sustainable. My generation cannot fund all the boomers and illegals and all your other nonsense. We don’t want to either . It was posted earlier that 10% of the population controls 88% of the market, that’s the dumbest shit I’ve ever seen. You gambled with your money. Oh well!
I get that retirement is but a dream to someone in their 40s, that’s why so many aren’t prepared when they get into their 60s- failure to invest in a dream. Blowing up the world to watch it explode may be fun for those that are jealous and have envy, but the precedent has been set for the day when, if you are lucky, you will be the victim of poor policy.

I on the other hand have invested and just retired. While I don’t count on my retirement accounts for income due to pension income, it is still not a good feeling to lose $50-60k a day- as they say, after a while it’s real money. I am looking for investment opportunities, but the overall market confusion makes identifying opportunity difficult. So, I continue to sit on the sidelines listening to the MAGA crowd talk about a plan coming together when the admin talks about tariff permanence and using them as negotiating bait in the same sentence. So they are essentially making it up as they go. News flash: no nation will negotiate if the tariffs are permanent.
 
The entire market will bounce back. Jesus you guys a soft. I would imagine savvy investors are buying right now. Yall are whining.
Buy what- I am actively looking.

It will bounce back in the long run, but realize in the long run we are all dead.
 
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Republican ideology in a nutshell: Doesn't affect me, so I don't care.

I feel for all the boomers who are having their retirement accounts obliterated, but who cares since I won't retire for another 20 years and it doesn't affect me.
And we have a pathologically lying criminal who bankrupted casinos and has gone bankrupt himself 5 or 6 times after getting a $400M inheritance from daddy running the show alongside the clown show cabinet he assembled. Some of us don't trust these morons to make it through the next 30 seconds without doing something stupid much less 25 years down the road.
 
Republican ideology in a nutshell: Doesn't affect me, so I don't care.

I feel for all the boomers who are having their retirement accounts obliterated, but who cares since I won't retire for another 20 years and it doesn't affect me.
Boomers with any logical sense are doing just fine.

Your first sentence is comical.
 
The entire market will bounce back. Jesus you guys a soft. I would imagine savvy investors are buying right now. Yall are whining.
Buy what Nancy Pelosi buys. She went into the House of Representatives as a broke first term politician years ago and left worth $150 MILLION recently on her yearly Congressional salary which in Washington, DC will not pay living costs.

Her and her husband investment strategies beat professional Wall Street Superstars.

Do I need charts and graphs to explain that to you.
 
And we have a pathologically lying criminal who bankrupted casinos and has gone bankrupt himself 5 or 6 times after getting a $400M inheritance from daddy running the show alongside the clown show cabinet he assembled. Some of us don't trust these morons to make it through the next 30 seconds without doing something stupid much less 25 years down the road.
If you were intelligent enough to depend on yourself moreso than any president, you’d better your life.
 
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Buy what- I am actively looking.

It will bounce back in the long run, but realize in the long run we are all dead.

I want to make it clear I am NOT A PROFESSIONAL FINANCIAL ADVISOR.

I will share what I am buying. Super 7 and defense stocks along with Dow stuff like 3M and Honeywell.

Not buying green stocks as the GREEN NEW DEAL is a farce. I believe in Stewardship and Clean Water and such

But NOT the mess the Democrats have put upon the American public.

WINNERS KEEP WINNING

TRUMP WILL KEEP WINNING

MAGA AND THE OFFSHOOTS WILL KEEP WINNING

America is on the track to THE GOLDEN AGE.

AMERICA is going to lead and the rest need to get in line and buy a ticket if they want to enjoy the ride.
 
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don't advocate the use of his language here but overall point stands...

 
They give you a hard time about your sentence structure, and use of all caps, but the silence will be deafening when you turn out to be correct.

Hey, I don't really need to ever post, but I do it for the FUN (NOTE THE CAPS) LOL

I am a little older with fingers and body parts not working as well, so my responses are sometimes not meeting the STANDARDS of the MAD DOG CROWD.

THAT'S OK I AM HAVING FUN
 
Boomers with any logical sense are doing just fine.

Your first sentence is comical.
It may be comical, but it's accurate. You see it everyday with articles coming out about MAGA voters fuming about Trump's policies finally affecting them when they thought it would just be "others" getting hurt.

There's also plenty of retired/retiring people out there without any investing knowledge who are getting pounded right now. I get that empathy is anathema to MAGA ideology, but it's upsetting seeing people who've worked all their lives get upended in their twilight years because of stupid policy.
 
I want to make it clear I am NOT A PROFESSIONAL FINANCIAL ADVISOR.

I will share what I am buying. Super 7 and defense stocks along with Dow stuff like 3M and Honeywell.

Not buying green stocks as the GREEN NEW DEAL is a farce. I believe in Stewardship and Clean Water and such

But NOT the mess the Democrats have put upon the American public.
Defense used to be a go to, but with tariffs other countries (that’s where the real profit is generated) won’t buy as much and some allies may reconsider buying American products, especially the next gen weapons, because of mistrust issues. Might be time to look at French or British defense companies. Not sure about AI stocks.
 
It may be comical, but it's accurate. You see it everyday with articles coming out about MAGA voters fuming about Trump's policies finally affecting them when they thought it would just be "others" getting hurt.

There's also plenty of retired/retiring people out there without any investing knowledge who are getting pounded right now. I get that empathy is anathema to MAGA ideology, but it's upsetting seeing people who've worked all their lives get upended in their twilight years because of stupid policy.
Virtue signaling at its finest.

You think the world is ending? Those risky portfolios won’t have a comeback?

Sky is falling is just humorous.
 
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Republican ideology in a nutshell: Doesn't affect me, so I don't care.

I feel for all the boomers who are having their retirement accounts obliterated, but who cares since I won't retire for another 20 years and it doesn't affect me.
How about my family? How about when I get my monthly commission that I count on to provide for my family and half is gone in taxes. Yall can gfy. This is exactly why we are in this mess. Selfish ass boomers. Oh cry me a river you can’t retire in Panama in your three condos. My kids need lunch. Boo hoo your stock portfolio is down. I have bills to pay you asshole. I’m out here killing myself so you can sit around and count your money. Get real man.
 
Buy what- I am actively looking.

It will bounce back in the long run, but realize in the long run we are all dead.
If you need a short term windfall then you were way worse off than you let on. The market is a long game.
But seriously. Either tail Pelosi or fade Cramer. It’s been working wonders.
 
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