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Our Healthcare in this country is an absolute

shvtshow. Thanks Obama. I will kms now. At least I want have to go through the abomination that is our Federal Health Care System. That is all.

I work in healthcare data and we get paid a lot of money to help drug and insurance companies actually figure out how to navigate Obamacare. They are lost and a lot of people (who have actually contributed a lot of $ to the system) are getting burned because of it.
 
The notion that our system of health care is only broken because of Obamacare is patently absurd .

Even Obamacare allows the insurance industry to run roughshod over our country.
While I agree with your first point 100%, Obamacare actual limits what health insurance companies can make/profit. Part of the law says that if insurance companies don’t spend 85% of premiums on claims payment, then they must rebate the excess back to the members of the insurance policy. Very few industries in America have profit caps imposed on them by federal law. Not saying this makes insurance companies the victim, but the entire health care system is currently a mess. And it is on a unsustainable path for the end users.
 
The notion that our system of health care is only broken because of Obamacare is patently absurd .

Even Obamacare allows the insurance industry to run roughshod over our country.
You answered your own question putz. Obamacare amplified the problems so that people with pre-existing addictions can keep addicted. Subsidized addiction. Obamacare took a weak system and broke it in more ways than one.
 
best health care in the world
you need immediate care, you get it no matter what

health care system (insurance and bureaucracy) have long screwed it up and put too many of the decisions in the hands of idiots
 
You answered your own question putz. Obamacare amplified the problems so that people with pre-existing addictions can keep addicted. Subsidized addiction. Obamacare took a weak system and broke it in more ways than one.
And Trump was going to get rid of Obamacare on his first days in office and replace it with Trumpcare. How did that work out???
 
Why can I not have an HSA that I put money in weekly. sing my HSA for any general care I need.Then I add a catastrophic plan for some terrible happening. I could use my HSA to pay the deductible on my catastrophic plan when I had to use it. I do not see why I need an insurance company to be between myself and a general practitioner. The general practitioner would then not have to chanrge me as much because the insurance company would not be there to inflate prices. I am in no way an expert on this but I honestly think the insurance company being in every medical transaction is one issue. I also think the government screws up everything they touch. BOTH sides.
 
Obamacare has the conservatives cornered and the only direction to go is towards government healthcare! Maybe soon the US will catch up to the rest of the world?

If that happens I have no doubt the US will catch up in the number of people who suffer/die due to governmental incompetence and bureaucracy.
 
And Trump was going to get rid of Obamacare on his first days in office and replace it with Trumpcare. How did that work out???

We can all thank the recently deceased overly venerated, John McCain for that. He campaigned on replacing for 7 years and the night before, changed his mind.
 
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We can all thank the recently deceased overly venerated, John McCain for that. He campaigned on replacing for 7 years and the night before, changed his mind.

I'd blame Leaderships inability to get McCain on board... Blaming others is weak.
 
I think one of the biggest issues, if not the biggest, is demographics. Basically our country is 40% obese. That is absolutely absurd. There is a trend with increasing obesity and insurance costs. Latest stats I have are from 2008 and it was around 150 billion dollars in cost. I’m guessing probably close to double that now. Obesity causes heart disease, diabetes, cancers, depression and a slew of other issues. Unfortunately, it is far more prevalent in our lower socioeconomic classes. A large majority of these people are not putting into the system, and taking the most from it.

Along with obesity comes a lack of discipline and motivation. This lack of discipline results in non compliance with medications and other aspects of self care such as hygiene and exercise. Obesity in parents is also a huge indicator that children wil also be obese. Our lowest socioeconomic class are also having more children than any other class which compounds the problem.

Other issues include pharmaceutical costs, treatment of illegal immigrants for no cost, smoking, illegal drug use, violence with severe trauma treatment and poor diets nationwide.

One thing that needs to happen is EBT reform. 15% of our country is on EBT. A huge percent of these people have incredibly bad diets which just contributes to the cycle. It should be more like WIC. Proteins, veggies, fruits, eggs, etc. should be the only thing provided. The fact that people on government assistance can go fill a shopping cart with soda, chips, little Debbie’s and who knows what else is appalling. Yes. They are cheaper foods. I would prefer increasing EBT monies being that only select foods can be purchased. It will cost more up front but over the long run I think it would save billions in healthcare costs.

There needs to be penalties for obesity and non-compliance with healthcare. Until then, we are screwed as our country will get fatter and fatter. So, in short, blame fats.
 
I'd blame Leaderships inability to get McCain on board... Blaming others is weak.

Nice try. He was on board until time to vote. Actually, he literally railed against it for 8 years. There will be many things revealed about McCain in the near future.
 
Why can I not have an HSA that I put money in weekly. sing my HSA for any general care I need.Then I add a catastrophic plan for some terrible happening. I could use my HSA to pay the deductible on my catastrophic plan when I had to use it. I do not see why I need an insurance company to be between myself and a general practitioner. The general practitioner would then not have to chanrge me as much because the insurance company would not be there to inflate prices. I am in no way an expert on this but I honestly think the insurance company being in every medical transaction is one issue. I also think the government screws up everything they touch. BOTH sides.
Im actually in this industry we work with provider sponsored org and/or hospital systems to build a provider sponsored health plan and offer that to their panels. Only thing I would say is providers still need all the back end of a health plan (call center, appeals and grievances, claims processing , etc). So the savings really come from care coordination/preventative care, limiting leakage (patients stay within the network so that all money is kept in house), keeping people out of the ER
 
You answered your own question putz. Obamacare amplified the problems so that people with pre-existing addictions can keep addicted. Subsidized addiction. Obamacare took a weak system and broke it in more ways than one.
And Trump was going to get rid of Obamacare on his first days in office and replace it with Trumpcare. How did that work out???
Should’ve asked John McCain while you could’ve.
 
And Trump was going to get rid of Obamacare on his first days in office and replace it with Trumpcare. How did that work out???
He tried...its those stupid Republicans like Flake and John McCain that’s caused us to still have this failure the Democrats forced on us! How’d that work for you?
 
Now that Trump has opened short term medical back up to basically one year policies there are options. The tax penalties are going away as well. What makes health insurance so expensive is any ACA plan is assuming everyone is in terrible health. For healthy people that do not qualufy for a subsidy the new short term plans coming out will allow for an affordable alternative.
 
It's gonna get way worse.

In the mid 90's, physicians discovered that they were "health care professionals". A few years later, they were "health care providers". Most recently, they are now "teammates".

Many great docs are parachuting out as fast as they financially can, with way lowered lifestyle expectations, just to get out of this sh$# show.

Your healthcare in the future is gonna consist of interaction with PA's, NP,s, and computers. There are some positives with this. Some negatives, however, when you're sick enough to be hospitalized, or somebody has to hold a scalpel over your abdomen.
 
I think one of the biggest issues, if not the biggest, is demographics. Basically our country is 40% obese. That is absolutely absurd. There is a trend with increasing obesity and insurance costs. Latest stats I have are from 2008 and it was around 150 billion dollars in cost. I’m guessing probably close to double that now. Obesity causes heart disease, diabetes, cancers, depression and a slew of other issues. Unfortunately, it is far more prevalent in our lower socioeconomic classes. A large majority of these people are not putting into the system, and taking the most from it.

Along with obesity comes a lack of discipline and motivation. This lack of discipline results in non compliance with medications and other aspects of self care such as hygiene and exercise. Obesity in parents is also a huge indicator that children wil also be obese. Our lowest socioeconomic class are also having more children than any other class which compounds the problem.

Other issues include pharmaceutical costs, treatment of illegal immigrants for no cost, smoking, illegal drug use, violence with severe trauma treatment and poor diets nationwide.

One thing that needs to happen is EBT reform. 15% of our country is on EBT. A huge percent of these people have incredibly bad diets which just contributes to the cycle. It should be more like WIC. Proteins, veggies, fruits, eggs, etc. should be the only thing provided. The fact that people on government assistance can go fill a shopping cart with soda, chips, little Debbie’s and who knows what else is appalling. Yes. They are cheaper foods. I would prefer increasing EBT monies being that only select foods can be purchased. It will cost more up front but over the long run I think it would save billions in healthcare costs.

There needs to be penalties for obesity and non-compliance with healthcare. Until then, we are screwed as our country will get fatter and fatter. So, in short, blame fats.
First decent post in this abortion of a thread
 
I think one of the biggest issues, if not the biggest, is demographics. Basically our country is 40% obese. That is absolutely absurd. There is a trend with increasing obesity and insurance costs. Latest stats I have are from 2008 and it was around 150 billion dollars in cost. I’m guessing probably close to double that now. Obesity causes heart disease, diabetes, cancers, depression and a slew of other issues. Unfortunately, it is far more prevalent in our lower socioeconomic classes. A large majority of these people are not putting into the system, and taking the most from it.

Along with obesity comes a lack of discipline and motivation. This lack of discipline results in non compliance with medications and other aspects of self care such as hygiene and exercise. Obesity in parents is also a huge indicator that children wil also be obese. Our lowest socioeconomic class are also having more children than any other class which compounds the problem.

Other issues include pharmaceutical costs, treatment of illegal immigrants for no cost, smoking, illegal drug use, violence with severe trauma treatment and poor diets nationwide.

One thing that needs to happen is EBT reform. 15% of our country is on EBT. A huge percent of these people have incredibly bad diets which just contributes to the cycle. It should be more like WIC. Proteins, veggies, fruits, eggs, etc. should be the only thing provided. The fact that people on government assistance can go fill a shopping cart with soda, chips, little Debbie’s and who knows what else is appalling. Yes. They are cheaper foods. I would prefer increasing EBT monies being that only select foods can be purchased. It will cost more up front but over the long run I think it would save billions in healthcare costs.

There needs to be penalties for obesity and non-compliance with healthcare. Until then, we are screwed as our country will get fatter and fatter. So, in short, blame fats.
Wellness incentives are going to become the norm.
 
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