Populations. Ukraine and Russia

[PalmettoTiger1]

1.5%. Before the idiot Trump took office. That's not a hell of a lot more. Now he making a mess of everything. Unemployment numbers won't be kind to him.

My brand of government?

You show how wrong you are when you claim Zelensky screamed at Trump. Videotape can't help you.

@Catch50

Apparently you missed the fact that before meeting the President at the White House the dude met with Democrats who pumped him NOT TO ACCEPT the minerals agreement

On entering the White House before going on the cameras live he was in full argument about what he wanted

He was on a diplomatic suicide message and you share his attitude of self righteousness in claiming high ground

But what does anyone else other than you know

You are the expert on international relations

Thats why we are TigerNet

 

[PalmettoTiger1]

HERE'S THE REAL IDIOT REASON FOR THE RANT AGAINST TRUMP

READ IT AND WEEP YOU IDIOTIC DEMOCRATS YOU DAMAGED PEACE EFFORTS AND ENCOURAGED MORE BLOODSHED AND DEATHS


A common criticism of Volodymyr Zelensky’s disastrous Friday performance in the Oval Office is that he failed to read the room.

Actually, the Ukrainian president did read a room — but it was the wrong room.

Before meeting Trump, Zelensky met with anti-Trump Democrats who advised him to reject the terms of the mineral deal the president was offering, according to Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Con)


“Just finished a meeting with President Zelensky here in Washington. He confirmed that the Ukrainian people will not support a fake peace agreement where Putin gets everything he wants and there are no security arrangements for Ukraine,” Murphy’s office posted on X at 11:15 a.m. Friday.

He attached a picture of Zelensky at a conference table, with Murphy seated on the opposite side.

Forty minutes later, Zelensky arrived at the White House, where Trump met his car, smiled, shook his hand and walked him into the Oval Office.

Arrogant ingrate

The meeting, as the world now knows, quickly went off the rails and ended with Trump angrily ejecting the arrogant ingrate from the White House.

The earlier meeting with Dems undercuts wild claims that Trump and Vice President J.D. Vance staged an ambush. In fact, it was Zelensky who came with an ulterior motive.

@Catch50

PLEASE READ ABOVE

Zelenskyy was over the top ranting and demanding when he walked into the White House before meeting Trump

 

[Catch50]

@Catch50

PLEASE READ ABOVE

Zelenskyy was over the top ranting and demanding when he walked into the White House before meeting Trump

Who knows? But everyone saw Trump acting like we expect from him.

 

[fatpiggy]

Weak. Just like Trump. You have nothing.

We will see won’t we? Pay attention.

 

[TigerGrowls]

My point was Trump doesn't know that fact or care.

Incorrect. Trump plainly stated it directly to Zelensky that Ukraine cannot win so take a deal.

 

[PalmettoTiger1]

Incorrect. Trump plainly stated it directly to Zelensky that Ukraine cannot win so take a deal.

Zelensky now says he will sign the deal

European leaders were mortified when he went off script and insulted America and it’s leadership called Donald Trump

Of course the Deep Paranoid Resistance would like to see Trump assassinated do ignore them

 

[hinds62]

Where was Trump attacked? Because he didn't say thank you in the moment? It was Trump who kept interrupting and raising his voice. If Trump was really interested in peace, he should not to justify Putin and his desire for a deal. Trump has no sympathy for most Americans so how could he sympathy for Ukrainians. You've been fooled by Trump.

Zelensky agreed to the peace deal and was there for the signing!! He changed his mind and decided to expose that situation in public and not privately with the Trump administration. Not very smart on Zelensky's part!! Now it appears he is trying to get a deal done through some of the European countries! Again not very smart on Zelensky's part! If you don't consider that to be an attack on the Trump administration then I don't know what to say to you!
Lastly, please look over your post above and see if you can correct or clarify what you were trying to say. Sentence structure needs some help.

 

[hinds62]

Forget about the media. Plenty of decent and well-informed Americans want Trump in jail.

For what, because you don't like him?? Do you not have faith in our justice system? If anybody needs to be in jail it is Biden for what he did to our country!! The worst president in the history of our country!!

 

[Clemson Goat]

jmo ... I don't think the EU / UK wants a peace deal . They know the longer Ukraine continues killing Russians the weaker Russia becomes. This should make it easier for the EU to defeat them in the future.

 

[fatpiggy]

jmo ... I don't think the EU / UK wants a peace deal . They know the longer Ukraine continues killing Russians the weaker Russia becomes. This should make it easier for the EU to defeat them in the future.

I don't think they want a peace deal because their economy's are in shambles. They are in debt up to their eyeballs and they have massive, costly, entitlement programs. They have expensive socialized medicine and other social programs; luxuries we are not afforded in the United States.

They need war to finance their lifestyles. As it is, we are financing it for them at our citizens expense. We get humans shitting in the street, fentanyl zombies, no go zones, high taxes, low pay, and low entitlements.

All while we pay a disproportionate amount for THEIR defense.

And then they have the balls to disrespect the President of our country. To try and bully us into a war we don't want?

Are these people really our friends?

 

[PawsFan_]

Ukraine approximately 37 million.

Russia approximately 144 million

Trump can't figure out why Ukraine needs a lot of help.

All the US equipment in the world isn't going to help Ukraine when the manpower runs out. They'd be wise to find a way to strike a deal. It won't be pleasant, but their choice at this point is to lose something or lose everything.

Z needs to wise up and realize that.

 

[PawsFan_]

Trump kept interrupting and raising his voice rather than let Zelensky speak. Trump seems to have no sympathy for the Ukranian people. Hard working, industries, brave people. The Orange POS even said he trusted Putin more than his security experts in his first term.

How much time have you spent in Ukraine?

 

[BigPapaWhit]

All the US equipment in the world isn't going to help Ukraine when the manpower runs out. They'd be wise to find a way to strike a deal. It won't be pleasant, but their choice at this point is to lose something or lose everything.

Z needs to wise up and realize that.

Maybe they are concerned about losing everything. This is not the first invasion. This is Putin's second excursion into the Ukraine. A brokered "peace". or cease fire only delays the next invasion.

I am not sure it is good policy to let Russia expand its borders by invading sovereign nations. I cannot see all the cards. Maybe our government knows more than the rest of the World. However, what Trump's administration is doing seems counter intuitive.

I have been averse to US meddling in the affairs of smaller countries. We have often backed the wrong side. South Vietnam, Iran, and Afghanistan are some examples. I am not sure those situations are comparable with Ukraine.

Should Europe do more for themselves? They should do everything they can. What that looks like is hard to say. Should the US hold Ukraine's mineral rights hostage? I am not sure that is good policy either. The US and Trump certainly have leverage but to bludgeon an "ally" with said leverage might prove harmful in future deal making and policy negotiations with other European partners.

My experience includes
50 years of living
20+ years in the military
4 months in Moscow as a "Student"

These are definitely strange times. Think I liked it when the roles were more clearly defined. The idea of Putin as a "partner" rings very strange.

 

[yoshi121374]

Maybe they are concerned about losing everything. This is not the first invasion. This is Putin's second excursion into the Ukraine. A brokered "peace". or cease fire only delays the next invasion.

I am not sure it is good policy to let Russia expand its borders by invading sovereign nations. I cannot see all the cards. Maybe our government knows more than the rest of the World. However, what Trump's administration is doing seems counter intuitive.

I have been averse to US meddling in the affairs of smaller countries. We have often backed the wrong side. South Vietnam, Iran, and Afghanistan are some examples. I am not sure those situations are comparable with Ukraine.

Should Europe do more for themselves? They should do everything they can. What that looks like is hard to say. Should the US hold Ukraine's mineral rights hostage? I am not sure that is good policy either. The US and Trump certainly have leverage but to bludgeon an "ally" with said leverage might prove harmful in future deal making and policy negotiations with other European partners.

My experience includes
50 years of living
20+ years in the military
4 months in Moscow as a "Student"

These are definitely strange times. Think I liked it when the roles were more clearly defined. The idea of Putin as a "partner" rings very strange.

Great Post. Totally and completely agree.

 

[PalmettoTiger1]

Maybe they are concerned about losing everything. This is not the first invasion. This is Putin's second excursion into the Ukraine. A brokered "peace". or cease fire only delays the next invasion.

I am not sure it is good policy to let Russia expand its borders by invading sovereign nations. I cannot see all the cards. Maybe our government knows more than the rest of the World. However, what Trump's administration is doing seems counter intuitive.

I have been averse to US meddling in the affairs of smaller countries. We have often backed the wrong side. South Vietnam, Iran, and Afghanistan are some examples. I am not sure those situations are comparable with Ukraine.

Should Europe do more for themselves? They should do everything they can. What that looks like is hard to say. Should the US hold Ukraine's mineral rights hostage? I am not sure that is good policy either. The US and Trump certainly have leverage but to bludgeon an "ally" with said leverage might prove harmful in future deal making and policy negotiations with other European partners.

My experience includes
50 years of living
20+ years in the military
4 months in Moscow as a "Student"

These are definitely strange times. Think I liked it when the roles were more clearly defined. The idea of Putin as a "partner" rings very strange.

This may sound impossible, but the day is coming Russia will be a partner with the US.

 

[ANEW]

All the US equipment in the world isn't going to help Ukraine when the manpower runs out. They'd be wise to find a way to strike a deal. It won't be pleasant, but their choice at this point is to lose something or lose everything.

Z needs to wise up and realize that.

Agree 100%

I thought that ukraine had a chance for a counteroffensive that could have rolled them back after they blunted the initial Russian offensive . However we didn't provide them with enough of the stuff that was needed while morale was high, they still had the manpower and the situation was fluid enough that they could remain inside of Russia's OODA loop. Once Russia adapted there c2 and logistic in the face of limited western long-range precision fires assets and transitioned to an attritional strategy it was all over.

 

[Clemson Goat]

Question.... If Z signed the mineral deal and once the US got involved. Would this be enough of a deterant to keep Russia from invading Ukraine again ?
IMO .. If Russia attacks Ukraine after a deal is signed would be the same as attacking the US...