Potentially ugly story with ICE in CA after agents ram moving car.
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If you get to make up the meaning of someone's post, it's really easy to say they're lying.
And that's great. Due process is a bedrock of our nation. Founding fathers agree.
You said you see a lot of liberals pissing on Obama about his drone strikes. I asked for one example. You couldn’t provide one. Is that my fault or yours? I know in the liberal world it’s always someone else’s fault so that makes sense.
Did this happen on American soil? I may not be aware of what you are referring to? If it was in Yemen, the situation was very different.
No, its just not relevant to this discussion. You are whataboutting all over the place. Stay on the subject.
What are we talking about? Well you see if you are kidnapped and whisked away to a foreign country without a court hearing, you are in fact, neglected due process. It is primarily found in the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments, which prohibit the government from depriving individuals of "life, liberty, or property" without due process of law. You know, the constitution? The one that all these elected officials are sworn to uphold?
Spot on. So illegals can come here and have rights AND we can kill our own citizens if we move them to another patch of grass. So there are no borders and no one is illegal on stolen land but we can kill American citizens if you leave this patch of grass. However you can’t send someone home that’s here illegally. Got it.
You do realize who the “individuals” were right? They weren’t including foreigners. It didn’t even include all Americans. Jefferson said “white men, of property and free of debt”, I don’t agree with that but to try and crowbar their words to mean illegal foreigner is disingenuous.
OK, who was this done to. Which specific example?
Are you talking about maryland man? What are your referring to? I honestly don't know what you are referring to.
If you are comparing this to something that happened in Yemen, I have to believe you are nuts. Do you believe Obama intentionally and personally called for a drone attack on US citizens on foreign soil? I am am open minded to hearing more about this Please explain
Due process is due process. There’s no situation where it’s acceptable to not give people due process. That’s the entire liberal argument here. That’s the reason LA is on fire right now. Now you’re going to explain to us why it was different for Obama right.
April 15th:
As of today, there are nearly 300 people being imprisoned in El Salvador at U.S. request. They have never been convicted of any crime that would justify their indefinite imprisonment (many have no criminal record at all). They also received no due process in the United States, and were denied any opportunity to challenge the evidence presented by the government — or even to argue that there was no evidence at all, just paperwork mistakes and “administrative errors.” As more and more evidence of wrongdoing emerges over the March 15 deportations, it’s clear a full investigation is necessary.
These Men Were Deported to El Salvador With No Due Process. Their Stories Show Why an Investigation Is Necessary
Multiple cases strongly suggest that the Trump administration wrongfully sent many people to the El Salvador mega prison.
immigrationimpact.com
Was the drone hit on Bin Laden a violation of due process? Was there not Intel that supported the drone attack in Yemen, a haven for known terrorist organizations? Do you have any understanding of the fog of war and the possibility of unintended results?
Do you have any understanding of the unintended consequences of letting in millions of illegals? You may get a few who don't get due process. Just like Obama didn't give due process in the fog of war.
These guys can’t put that together. But the larger point is the blind willingness to white wash everything they do. There’s always an excuse and it’s always someone else’s fault.
April 15th:
As of today, there are nearly 300 people being imprisoned in El Salvador at U.S. request. They have never been convicted of any crime that would justify their indefinite imprisonment (many have no criminal record at all). They also received no due process in the United States, and were denied any opportunity to challenge the evidence presented by the government — or even to argue that there was no evidence at all, just paperwork mistakes and “administrative errors.” As more and more evidence of wrongdoing emerges over the March 15 deportations, it’s clear a full investigation is necessary.
These Men Were Deported to El Salvador With No Due Process. Their Stories Show Why an Investigation Is Necessary
Multiple cases strongly suggest that the Trump administration wrongfully sent many people to the El Salvador mega prison.
If it was verified that they were Gang members in our country illegally, that is due process. Due process is not a lengthy trial.
From your article
including 238 Venezuelans accused of being members of the Venezuelan gang “Tren de Aragua” and 23 Salvadorans accused of being members of MS-13
Dude. You need help. Daddy needs to restrict your screen time.
There are literally articles posted above that talk about the people who were against the drone strikes.
"And as the Homeland Security Department works to deport more people, immigrants with legal status or no criminal history are also being detained and deported.
We talked with three people affected by the changes, a Canadian who tried to renew her visa, the husband of a Peruvian immigrant who's being detained in Louisiana, and a graduate student currently being targeted for deportation."
Migrants in U.S. legally and with no criminal history caught up in Trump crackdown
President Trump promised the largest mass deportation effort in the country’s history. As his Homeland Security Department works to deport more people, immigrants with legal status or no criminal history are being detained and deported. We hear from three people to better understand the impact...
www.pbs.org
Ah so you try to divert the conversation when you can't actually answer anything.
US Citizens have been wrongfully detained by ICE. Because they fit the physical description of what they assume are undocumented immigrants.
The history of this country has had racism from the beginning and it hasn't been to the detriment of white people. If you can't acknowledge that then you are unworthy of further discussion. Its like denying that the sky is blue.
Wait. Are you insinuating ICE is made up of all white SS style troopers that are rounding up brown people? That’s literally what you just typed. You really think there aren’t every race and creed represented amongst ICE officers, out there doing there job and loving it. Comical.
Thats what you think I insinuated? And then you say I literally typed it. Which one is it because it can't be both bud.
Again, you sound like a simpleton with a lack of reading skills.
I guess when they claim they shouldn't get due process if they aren't a citizen, we should respond "So you think if ICE thinks someone is illegal they should just execute them on site, they have no rights, that is literally what you typed"
I continue to contend it is really easy to win an argument when you make up the position of the other side of the argument.
Those of you who rely on Fox News and only stay in the maga bubble are living in an altered reality where news is cherry picked. I was there at one time. You show no ability to look beyond the perspective of your alternate reality bubble.
Am not on BlueSky but doesn't surprise me. Hate that social media platforms have gotten reputations in either direction. They become bubbles for each.
Then again, even if both sides exist, algorithms are made to slowly create a bubble over time as well.
One of the main reasons I still come to this board, is to get more insight into what people that don't agree with me on the face are thinking, etc.
I don’t think I’ve watched 3 minutes of Fox News or any other mainstream news in the last 5-6 years.
