POTUS suggest we export criminals to foreign prisons
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We’re Gonna need more jail space for all the crooks Elon weeds out. I’m down for El Salvador for them.
I'm not sure about sending AmCits to foreign countries for punish.ent. I'm not a bleeding heart but strongly believe citizens are different from illegals.
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Wild. Your team is just as willing to shit on the constitution.
You’re right. Deporting American citizens because we don’t like them is perfectly legal now.
Every day brings more "the sky is falling!" howling. I'm ok to let things play out and see where it goes. It might not be legal. If not, then it's not. It might get batted around and never acted on even if legal. Too soon to get all worked up.
Gitmo or that El Sal prison isn't where you want to be. If the thought of maybe going there cuts into illegal immigration or gang activity while this is nothing but talk it's a good thing.
How did you jump to illegal immigration? That’s not what we’re talking about here. This is citizens in American prison that are going to be deported somehow? Deporting is a separate issue. I agree with most of the deportations, but sending American citizens to Salvador is insane and not close to legal.
Hyperb yourself to the moon I guess.
Illegals - don't care what we do with them. El Sal, the bottom of the ocean or the moon. All good. If talk about sending "prisoners" to gitmo or el sal makes illegals or gang bangers think twice about things then that's good. That's all i meant by that.
I know we're talking about american citizens. I'm the one who said that i'm not sure i like the idea. Given that this is all talk talk at the moment, and only a day or two old, i'm not really worried about it.
Not that I care about the people that we're talking about (really bad people), mind you, but again its the foreign country part i'm not sure i like. We have private prisons in the US and I'm not sure i like that idea as there is a profit motive that could lead to abuses, but at least that is here in the US...
Savings would be at least $30,000 per prisoner per year.
President Trump is seriously considering Nayib Bukele’s offer to have violent American criminals and gang members sent to prison in El Salvador!The average prisoner in America costs a staggering $42,672 per year to hold. Holding them in El Salvador may bring the cost down to under $10,000 annually. Many violent criminals have better conditions than some of the poorest Americans. This move would not only drastically reduce crime in the United States, it would also result in a more fitting punishment for some of the most horrendous offenders!
Explain how sending incarcerated criminals somewhere else to be incarcerated "drastically reduces crime" in the US.
Keeps the sociopaths that run the DA offices in Blue cities from turning them loose against law abiding citizens
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You would have to revoke their citizenship to deport them. i don't think that's what's being talked about here. We're talking offshoring their incarceration. I would assume they would be repatriated at the conclusion of their sentence.
The question is, are the incarceration conditions within whatever minimum standard we have here in the US and not considered cruel and unusual? Beyond that would be how would the US ensure that they stay above whatever minimum standard? And, if they are going to be repatriated eventually should we get them back at some point before release to at least do something to prepare them for release back into the US?
I don't think it's completly cray cray to think about it. The folks we are talking about weren't exactly big on their civic responsibilities so its not like they are enriching our prison populations with goodness, but its such an out of the box idea. I'm not ready to jump on the bandwagon.
Sick of liberals releasing repeat offenders back on to the streets. Why do you hate American law abiding citizens. Are you a criminal?
there's no gap between not using the laws we have on the books and deportation.
the constitution says they have rights too.
The International Prisoner Transfer Program began in 1977 after Congress passed enabling legislation (18 U.S.C. §§4100-4115) and the Federal Government negotiated the first in a series of treaties to permit the transfer of prisoners from countries in which they had been convicted and sentenced of crimes to their home countries. After transfer, the home or receiving country assumes responsibility for administering the transferred sentence. The transfer program is intended to facilitate the rehabilitation of the transferred offenders and to relieve some of the administration and diplomatic issues that arise with the incarceration of foreign nationals. In addition to foreign national prisoners in federal custody and Americans sentenced abroad, foreign national prisoners in state custody are also eligible to participate in the program.
Prisoners may only be transferred to and from those countries with which the United States has a treaty. (Participating countries are listed on this site.) While all prisoner transfer treaties are negotiated principally by the U.S. Department of State, the program itself is administered by the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ). The transfer decision is a discretionary one based on the satisfaction of statutory and treaty requirements and is informed by internal guidelines that are applied to the unique facts of each case.
You got that right. But, i'm now hopeful that it will get better.
and the grass is green. are we stating facts that are irrelevant?
Some things might get better. He has some good ideas, but so far nothing is better. This particular action will not help make things better. Sending American citizens to prisons in Salvador is not only illegal but will result in many of your fellow American citizens being murdered in Salvadorian prison. Don't forget, no matter what they did god wants us to forgive them.
We can disagree on the "so far noting is better" part.
sending us criminals to sal, may very well be illegal. I'm not interested enough to start, digging personally. As far as inmate safety, man if you've seen videos of that prison in el sal, its really locked down tight. they literally don't have access to anything as a matter of course to make a weapon with . Not even a spoon... and they are literally watched 24/7 and the lights are always on. But the safety of repeat offender muderers and rapists is also not a high priority thing to worry about for me.
My trepidation is along the technical lines of like you said, legality and i also believe that "legal" doesn't always mean that we should do something. I've not heard a reason WHY. Intuitively, the USG could save costs, reduce prison crowding here, and aruguably make our prisons safer by sending the worst of the worst away.
I'm not saying i'm for this at all.
I SAW THIS MOVIE!!!!!
It wasn’t bad … your typical big budget 90s action flick.
In all seriousness though, ya … I wouldn’t be in favoring of off shoring our prison population. No matter how I feel about violent criminals, they are still American Citizens and they have rights.
