Preparations underway for Trump’s arrest, Secret Service debating if they’ll handcuff him…
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FAKE NEWS at best. Outright LIES at worst.....probably the latter.So sick of this lie, not only was she NOT responsible, there was no order given. His own Sec. of Defense said so.
Former defense secretary denies Trump ordered troops to protect Capitol on Jan. 6
"There was no direct, there was no order from the President," Chris Miller testified.www.axios.com
HIS OWN Secretary of Defense, an unknown YES MAN that he installed solely to make it easier to corruptly sow chaos, says he didn't order troops but the YES MAN is lying? LOLOL
He is the Ric Flair of fake news.
Woooooooooo
I'm showing you quotes from Trump's own Sec of Defense but I'm the one peddling fake news and you're the smart one? Let's be real, you don't know your ass from a hole in the ground, you add nothing to any debate except moronic barbs, because you're a simple-minded chucklefvck that couldn't explain the difference between a BMW and a porcupine.
Funny but in his own book, Miller claims Pelosi hysterically asked for more help and he ignored her. Is he lying there too?
- “I never could have imagined anything like this—getting reamed out by a histrionic Nancy Pelosi and Mitch McConnell as they implored me to send troops to forcibly expel a rowdy band of MAGA supporters, infiltrated by a handful of provocateurs, who were traipsing through the halls of the Capitol, taking selfies, and generally making a mockery of the entire institution.”
- “I have never seen anyone—not even the greenest, pimple-faced 19-year-old Army private—panic like our nation’s elder statesmen did on January 6 and in the months that followed.”
Chris Miller, the MAGA SecDef, Explains His Anger
In a memoir he recounts his military career and his eventful short tenure as Trump’s last Pentagon chief—including his bitterness about Jan. 6th.
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Trump requested national guard on J6.....PERIOD!! Pelosi and the govt all knew that a segment of the crowd was going to be causing trouble as they had the intel from FBI, CIA, DOJ well in advance. They had many operatives embedded. There is no excuse and its on the establishment for what happened no matter what type of shit you try to shovel. This just comes down to who you want to believe as there are two large competing versions of what reality is that do not agree.Funny but in his own book, Miller claims Pelosi hysterically asked for more help and he ignored her. Is he lying there too?
- “I never could have imagined anything like this—getting reamed out by a histrionic Nancy Pelosi and Mitch McConnell as they implored me to send troops to forcibly expel a rowdy band of MAGA supporters, infiltrated by a handful of provocateurs, who were traipsing through the halls of the Capitol, taking selfies, and generally making a mockery of the entire institution.”
- “I have never seen anyone—not even the greenest, pimple-faced 19-year-old Army private—panic like our nation’s elder statesmen did on January 6 and in the months that followed.”
Chris Miller, the MAGA SecDef, Explains His Anger
In a memoir he recounts his military career and his eventful short tenure as Trump’s last Pentagon chief—including his bitterness about Jan. 6th.
Miller said Trump NEVER ordered troops and only made an off-handed remark one time about troops to protect "THE PROTESTORS"
Think about how deep in the cesspool you have to to blame the victim. Do you really think Pelosi didn't care about her own safety?
You gone looney bro. Trump had no authority to order the guard. Pelosi had the authority and that's a fact.
What part of she DIDN'T RECEIVE the order nor was she responsible for the Capitol Police that day even if she had, do you NOT understand? She is also not more powerful than the friggin President of the United States, who watched his treachery unfold on tv for three hours. Damn your mind is BROKEN!
Live here. Work here. Serve here.
Today’s D.C. National Guard remains strong with more than 2,700 Soldiers and Airmen available to execute its missions. D.C. National Guard Soldiers and Airmen resides within the District of Columbia, Maryland and Virginia, and are proud to be from the communities in which we protect and serve.
The D.C National Guard was formed in 1802 by President Thomas Jefferson to defend the newly created District of Columbia. As such, the Commanding General of the D.C. National Guard is subordinate solely to the President of the United States. This authority to activate the D.C. National Guard has been delegated, by the President, to the Secretary of Defense and further delegated to the Secretary of the Army. The D.C. National Guard is the only National Guard unit, out of all of the 54 states and territories, which reports only to the President.
The D.C. National Guard provides mission-ready personnel and units for active duty in the armed services in the time of war or national emergency. The D.C. National Guard also retains the mission as protector of the District of Columbia.
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The speaker of the house (Pelosi) has the sole control over whether the national can be deployed in DC. Even though POTUS is part of that decision it cannot occur without her approval and she did not give it. You are just arguing finer points of the entire process but what I am saying in regards to Pelosi is correct.
Liars sure do love to lie.
apnews.com
Pelosi did not block the National Guard from the Capitol on Jan. 6
On Tuesday, a false claim about the deadly Jan. 6 riot at the Capitol resurfaced suggesting that Pelosi blocked the National Guard from coming to lawmakers’ defense during the insurrection at the Capitol.
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Well This is straight from the DC National Guard website!! I also haven't found anything legit that confirms your statement of Pelosi being in charge of the National Guard!
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Give him a little more time and he'll claim that the DC National Guard website is misleading.
I tend to agree. Personally, I think the paying off the hooker isn't that big of a deal. I get that it's a campaign violation and that Trump should be punished for it, I have no problem with that. But he's no flight risk and this is not a violent crime. He should turn himself in... get processed... and be released (bail or whatever). Just like anyone else accused of white collar crimes. No one is above the law, but the law should be impartial as well.
Most of you know how I feel about Trump and I can't pretend that him being in handcuffs doesn't tickle me a bit on a personal level. As many lives as he's ruined over his life, that seems OK.
I also don't think it matters one bit for is Presidential hopes... one way or the other. Trump's supporters will support him no matter what, and EVERYONEhas an opinion (positive or negative) about him. This latest won't make any difference. The people that don't like him will never vote for him. The people that support him would support him if he got caught with kiddy porn or killed someone. The sides are set already.
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Back up the claim that the Speaker of the House has the authority to deploy the DC National Guard.
I thought you said Pelosi had sole control?
Insane is it not? Another detail that gets lost is his Sec. of Defense says he only made an off-handed remark about calling in troops to provide protection for the protestors, not the Capitol. But he never delivered that order and Miller was determined not to have troops on the street regardless, so no matter how you slice it, Nancy is not responsible.
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Nothing surprises me at this stage of the disease.
Otto Warmbier was in essence tortured to death by North Korea, and Trump waltzes his fat ass over the MDL and says he believes Kim Jong Un when he says he had nothing to do with it. Compare that to Trump going out of his way to disparage and question the credibility of a long line of American officials. America first? Give me a ****ing break
ehhh.. It's going to cause another "jan 6th" imo.
It will be another "riot" with FBI people involved wearing earpieces and escorting "protestors" around, just like the last one. Except this time, it will be worse and this will be the "warning" to Americans about Trump and his ideas. You only need 4 or 5 professional agitators.
They will then start to go after people who "support his ideas" and will do whatever necessary to keep him from running.
This administration is in desperate need of a distraction. Just my opinion...
Thank God for sports and entertainment!
I agree with nearly all of this except for the sympathetic vote part. Everyone has an opinion on Trump (positive or negative). This is a nothing burger for whether you like or don't like him. Personally, I think this is a weak sauce charge and while, yes, you charge him if he broke the law, this is a "Drop by the police station on a given date. Get processed and go home until the trial." No need for the circus and certainly no need for the cuffs.
But while I can appreciate the seemingly political arrest, I'll NEVER vote Trump. EVER. IMHO, he's is a really bad man (and that's totally different from being an ass... that I can get past). And I think that opinion is pretty common. You'll either vote for him (and this makes no difference) or you won't vote for him (and this makes no difference).
Here is what I found that come out on and around J6. There is an alternate script also and I guess any of us are free to believe what we want. A few important points I bolded.
Investigators: Pelosi Responsible For Jan. 6 Security Breakdown At Capitol
Pelosi shoulders much of the blame for the security breakdown at the Capitol on Jan. 6, a preliminary report from GOP investigators found.
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Investigators: Pelosi Responsible For Jan. 6 Security Breakdown At U.S. Capitol
BY: JORDAN BOYDJUNE 23, 2022
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The GOP members found that Pelosi repeatedly failed to implement necessary improvements to the Capitol’s security system.
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the House Nancy Pelosi shoulders much of the blame for the security breakdown at the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, a preliminary report from Republican investigators Reps. Jim Banks and Rodney Davis determined.
The Capitol Police (USCP) were half-staffed on Jan. 6, Pelosi’s House Sergeant at Arms denied multiple requests for National Guard assistance from the Pentagon and the USCP Chief in the days leading up to Jan. 6, officers were poorly equipped and had insufficient riot shields and helmets, and they were never trained to handle a riot even after the riots of 2020, the investigation shows, according to Banks.
The Republicans’ full report is not slated to be released for a few weeks but Banks and Davis said the hyperpartisan Jan. 6 Committee’s attempt to present a “slanted viewpoint as if it were impartial fact” prompted them to release their findings that “will help Americans understand the extent of the Committee’s misrepresentations and omissions.”
“The Committee has lied and made numerous unsupported and disputed claims that have been thoughtlessly parroted by their media and ‘fact-checking’ allies,” said Banks and Davis.
No Republican-appointed members serve on the committee, and no minority rights have been granted or observed by the committee. Those breaches of House rules have led Administration Committee ranking member Rep. Rodney Davis, R-Ill., to announce there will be an investigation of the J6 Committee itself once Republicans take control of the House, as they are expected to do following the November elections.
Despite the J6 Committee’s attempts to blame the Capitol riot on former President Donald Trump and election integrity supporters, the GOP members found that Pelosi, who is responsible for Capitol security according to House rules and has led the Democrat majority for years, repeatedly failed to implement necessary improvements to the Capitol’s security system.
“This inaction left the Capitol unnecessarily vulnerable,” Banks and Davis noted.
Banks and Davis pointed to an After-Action Report from Capitol Police showing that the law enforcement department reorganized its intelligence without authorization which left it without essential “open-source intelligence capabilities” and caused staffing changes that “may have contributed to the tragedy” on Jan. 6.
In light of this information, Banks and Davis added that “the USCP intelligence unit had knowledge of the potential for violence yet failed to adequately communicate the threat or take the necessary steps to protect the Capitol.”
Despite these shortcomings, the Republicans found that even though the USCP Union largely voted it had no confidence in its intelligence division supervisor, the supervisor was promoted to acting chief following the Capitol riot.
House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy picked Banks and Rep. Jim Jordan to represent Republicans on the committee last year but they were promptly booted off by Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi who implied the GOP would hamper a “comprehensive investigation” into the Capitol riot.
Now Banks, Jordan, Davis, and the two other Republicans who were poised to join the Democrats’ show trial committee before McCarthy pulled them out, are leading their own investigation into the Capitol security breakdown that reviews information hardly touched by Pelosi’s picks who are running the show trial.
Banks noted in a recent interview with PBS NewsHour that despite gathering more than 100,000 pages of evidence, the J6 Committee has “only selectively offered the American people a very small part of it.”
“Never forget that this select committee has already been caught altering evidence. They’ve had to apologize for it,” Banks said. “It’s dishonorable that this isn’t a bipartisan effort to give the American people the facts and the findings.”
Banks has repeatedly criticized Pelosi’s handpicked committee as a “political witch hunt” focused on slandering conservatives, especially those who express concerns about election integrity, instead of getting to the bottom of what really happened on Jan. 6.
“Republicans were denied the right to meaningfully participate in the Democrats’ show trial, but as you know, the five of us are leading our own independent investigation into the total breakdown of security at the Capitol. Our mission is to answer simple questions about what happened that day that Democrats have ignored,” Banks and Davis said.
Republicans have committed to “launching a full investigation into the actions of the Select Committee and hold Speaker Pelosi accountable” assuming GOP gains in the House of Representatives in the November midterms.
Jordan Boyd is a staff writer at The Federalist and co-producer of The Federalist Radio Hour. Her work has also been featured in The Daily Wire, Fox News, and RealClearPolitics. Jordan graduated from Baylor University where she majored in political science and minored in journalism. Follow her on Twitter @jordanboydtx.
Here is an article from the AP stating that the Pelosi, McConnell, and Bowser turned down offers from the pentagon to send the guard due to political optics stated.
Appears that it was stated that they turned down assistance offer due to political optics.
So it true that POTUS as commander in chief is in charge of the national guard but the speaker of the house is in charge of the capitol police who turned down the assistance because Pelosi and/or her lieutenants told them to. Its that simple.
Anyone with a decent brain who is being intellectually honest and looking for the truth can piece together very quickly using all the data that this was a false flag scam set up to stop a legal challenge to the election and to demonize/disenfranchise Trump and his supporters.
Capitol Police rejected offers of federal help to quell mob
WASHINGTON (AP) — Three days before supporters of President Donald Trump rioted at the Capitol, the Pentagon asked the U.S Capitol Police if it needed National Guard manpower.
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Capitol Police rejected offers of federal help to quell mob
By COLLEEN LONG, LOLITA BALDOR, MICHAEL BALSAMO, and NOMAAN MERCHANTJanuary 7, 2021
WASHINGTON (AP) — Three days before supporters of President Donald Trump rioted at the Capitol, the Pentagon asked the U.S Capitol Police if it needed National Guard manpower. And as the mob descended on the building Wednesday, Justice Department leaders reached out to offer up FBI agents. The police turned them down both times, according to senior defense officials and two people familiar with the matter.
Despite plenty of warnings of a possible insurrection and ample resources and time to prepare, the Capitol Police planned only for a free speech demonstration.
Still stinging from the uproar over the violent response by law enforcement to protests last June near the White House, officials also were intent on avoiding any appearance that the federal government was deploying active duty or National Guard troops against Americans.
The result is the U.S. Capitol was overrun Wednesday and officers in a law enforcement agency with a large operating budget and experience in high-security events protecting lawmakers were overwhelmed for the world to see. Four protesters died, including one shot inside the building.
The rioting and loss of control has raised serious questions over security at the Capitol for future events. The actions of the day also raise troubling concerns about the treatment of mainly white Trump supporters, who were allowed to roam through the building for hours, while Black and brown protesters who demonstrated last year over police brutality faced more robust and aggressive policing.
“This was a failure of imagination, a failure of leadership,” said Houston Police Chief Art Acevedo, whose department responded to several large protests last year following the death of George Floyd. “The Capitol Police must do better and I don’t see how we can get around that.”
Acevedo said he has attended events on the Capitol grounds to honor slain police officers that had higher fences and a stronger security presence than what he saw on video Wednesday.
Army Secretary Ryan McCarthy said that as the rioting was underway, it became clear that the Capitol Police were overrun. But he said there was no contingency planning done in advance for what forces could do in case of a problem at the Capitol because Defense Department help was turned down. “They’ve got to ask us, the request has to come to us,” said McCarthy.
U.S. Capitol Police Chief Steven Sund, under pressure from Schumer, Pelosi and other congressional leaders, was forced to resign. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell asked for and received the resignation of the Sergeant at Arms of the Senate, Michael Stenger, effective immediately. Paul Irving, the longtime Sergeant at Arms of the House, also resigned.
“There was a failure of leadership at the top,” House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said.
The U.S. Capitol had been closed to the public since March because of the COVID-19 pandemic, which has now killed more than 360,000 people in the U.S. But normally, the building is open to the public and lawmakers pride themselves on their availability to their constituents.
Full Coverage: Capitol Siege
It is not clear how many officers were on-duty Wednesday, but the complex is policed by a total of 2,300 officers for 16 acres of ground who protect the 435 House representatives, 100 U.S. senators and their staff. By comparison, the city of Minneapolis has about 840 uniformed officers policing a population of 425,000 in a 6,000-acre area.
There were signs for weeks that violence could strike on Jan. 6, when Congress convened for a joint session to finish counting the Electoral College votes that would confirm Democrat Joe Biden had won the presidential election.
On far-right message boards and in pro-Trump circles, plans were being made.
The leader of the far-right extremist group Proud Boys was arrested coming into the nation’s capital this week on a weapons charge for carrying empty high-capacity magazines emblazoned with their logo. He admitted to police that he had made statements about rioting in Washington, local officials said.
Both Acevedo and Ed Davis, a former Boston police commissioner who led the department during the 2013 Boston Marathon bombing, said they did not fault the responses of clearly overmatched front-line officers, but the planning and leadership before the riot.
“Was there a structural feeling that well, these are a bunch of conservatives, they’re not going to do anything like this? Quite possibly,” Davis said. “That’s where the racial component to this comes into play in my mind. Was there a lack of urgency or a sense that this could never happen with this crowd? Is that possible? Absolutely.”
Trump and his allies were perhaps the biggest megaphones, encouraging protesters to turn out in force and support his false claim that the election had been stolen from him. He egged them on during a rally shortly before they marched to the Capitol and rioted. His personal attorney Rudy Giuliani, a former New York mayor known for his tough-on-crime stance, called for “trial by combat.”
McCarthy said law enforcement’s intelligence estimates of the potential crowd size in the run-up to the protests “were all over the board,” from a low of 2,000 to as many as 80,000.
So the Capitol Police had set up no hard perimeter around the Capitol. Officers were focused on one side where lawmakers were entering to vote to certify Biden’s win.
Barricades were set up on the plaza in front of the building, but police retreated from the line and a mob of people broke through. Lawmakers, at first unaware of the security breach, continued their debate. Soon they were cowering under chairs. Eventually they were escorted from the House and Senate. Journalists were left alone in rooms for hours as the mob attempted to break into barricaded rooms.
Sund, the Capitol Police chief, said he had expected a display of “First Amendment activities” that instead turned into a “violent attack.” But Gus Papathanasiou, head of the Capitol Police union, said planning failures left officers exposed without backup or equipment against surging crowds of rioters.
“We were lucky that more of those who breached the Capitol did not have firearms or explosives and did not have a more malign intent,” Papathanasiou said in a statement. “Tragic as the deaths are that resulted from the attack, we are fortunate the casualty toll was not higher.”
The Justice Department, FBI and other agencies began to monitor hotels, flights and social media for weeks and were expecting large crowds. Mayor Muriel Bowser had warned of impending violence for weeks, and businesses had closed in anticipation. She requested National Guard help from the Pentagon on Dec. 31, but the Capitol Police turned down the Jan. 3 offer from the Defense Department, according to Kenneth Rapuano, assistant defense secretary for homeland security.
“We asked more than once and the final return that we got on Sunday the 3rd was that they would not be asking DOD for assistance,” he said.
The Justice Department’s offer for FBI support as the protesters grew violent was rejected by the Capitol Police, according to the two people familiar with the matter. They were not authorized to publicly discuss the matter and spoke on condition of anonymity.
By then, it was too late.
Officers from the Metropolitan Police Department descended. Agents from nearly every Justice Department agency, including the FBI, were called in. So was the Secret Service and the Federal Protective Service. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives sent two tactical teams. Police from as far away as New Jersey arrived to help.
It took four hours to evict the protesters from the Capitol complex. By then, they had roamed the halls of Congress, posed for photos inside hallowed chambers, broken through doors, destroyed property and taken photos of themselves doing it. Only 13 were arrested at the time; scores were arrested later.
In the aftermath, a 7-foot fence will go up around the Capitol grounds for at least 30 days. The Capitol Police will conduct a review of the carnage, as well as their planning and policies. Lawmakers plan to investigate how authorities handled the rioting.
The acting U.S. attorney in the District of Columbia, Michael Sherwin, said the failure to arrest more people is making their jobs harder.
“Look, we have to now go through cell site orders, collect video footage to try to identify people and then charge them, and then try to execute their arrest. So that has made things challenging, but I can’t answer why those people weren’t zip-tied as they were leaving the building by the Capitol Police.”
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Looks like the goalposts have shifted.
So do you admit that Nancy doesn't possess sole control?
I guess so because POTUS has to make the order to send them via his chain of command but the speaker of the house has the authority to say no do not send them to the capitol. This will forever be argued I guess.
Not Nancy
What does the GQP do when she does add security measures?
GOP pull down Capitol metal detectors after members were fined for dodging them
The Republicans may not have a speaker, but they appear to have made one change in the House
www.independent.co.uk
This is why you can't be taken seriously. Why are you complaining about the prisoners treatment if they weren't Trump supporters? You are a moron
Fox News lied to you. Here are some ways to move forward.
Court documents show Fox News lied to its viewers. Do they stick with their beloved right-wing network and continue to get played for suckers?
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