Radical Left Takeover of America

[yoshi121374]

Thats fair

and @WapPride I dont know the age range of some of the folks here, but I have a hard time believing that they are Boomers. Im a late GenX'r, born in late 70's, raised in the 80's (the last generation of feral children), entered adulthood in the 90's ... and I was raised with a healthy disdain for the Soviet Union and the Russians.

I sort of get the not wanting to send Ukraine $113+ Billion, but admiration of Putin just baffles my mind.

edit: If they were 50-60 year old Boomers, they wouldve had "Russian Nuclear Attack" drills in school. I remember having them in Elementary School, of course I lived in Omaha, NE at the time. Dad was Air Force stationed at Offut Air Force Base. How they could now support a man, a Russian, who has threatened to use nukes is beyond me

I am basically the same generation as you. Born in 74

 

[WapPride]

You love to see people coming together to hijack a thread from the crazies

 

[dpic73]

To follow up I say this all the time. I don't necessarily love the Democrats and I don't love some of the financial plans, but at least they have plans. I don't like the Student Loan forgiveness, but at least it's a plan.

I don't have a lot in common with the far-left, but they have little influence on the Democratic party outside of their push for the student loan forgiveness plan, which I disagree with unless it's much more targeted.

But at least the Democrats have a better vision that includes making life better for all citizens. Most of Biden's big initiatives help red states much more than blue ones and even though the Republicans voted against them, they sure do love to take credit for the benefits their states are receiving.

But if forced to pick between the options, I don't understand how any moderate could vote for THIS iteration of the Republican party. What an ugly, dystopian vision it advocates.

 

[treetiger]

Swear to god, every conservative that posts here is batshit crazy, outside of scotch and maybe a couple others. Scary how badly the well has been poisoned.

You need to take your sorry Marxist ass over to Russia with a bag of pot, get caught, sweat it out in a nasty Russian Gulag for about six months to a year, and maybe like Brittney Griner come back and kiss the ground and stand up with her hand over her heart for the national anthem. You sit there and say this sh!t from the comfort of the Constitution but then badmouth everything about this country and people who are true patriots, and yes, many are religious people. Like you and your Marxist friends who who are anti-American, ant-religious, anti-family, immoral, pro-racists, and want to subject our children to this immoral theology of LBGT-Q (yes I said theology because that is their and your religion). Well, you teach YOUR children and grandchildren that crap, and I will teach my children to not be racist WOKE twisted human beings like you. And you try and subject my children to this sh!t and they might be planting daisies over you. You have every right under the Constitution (that you so hate) to BE a communist, and teach that to your kids that, but you don't have the right to force feed that in the schools to my (our) children.

Just when I felt some sympathy for you, then you come out talking this garbage. You are a pitiful example of a person and a human being. I still feel sorry for you, but I imagine there are a lot of people around you that feel sorry for you too. Maybe being a racist worthless Marxist is the only thing you can do well...

 

[dpic73]

You need to take your sorry Marxist ass over to Russia with a bag of pot, get caught, sweat it out in a nasty Russian Gulag for about six months to a year, and maybe like Brittney Griner come back and kiss the ground and stand up with her hand over her heart for the national anthem. You sit there and say this sh!t from the comfort of the Constitution but then badmouth everything about this country and people who are true patriots, and yes, many are religious people. Like you and your Marxist friends who who are anti-American, ant-religious, anti-family, immoral, pro-racists, and want to subject our children to this immoral theology of LBGT-Q (yes I said theology because that is their and your religion). Well, you teach YOUR children and grandchildren that crap, and I will teach my children to not be racist WOKE twisted human beings like you. And you try and subject my children to this sh!t and they might be planting daisies over you. You have every right under the Constitution (that you so hate) to BE a communist, and teach that to your kids that, but you don't have the right to force feed that in the schools to my (our) children.

Just when I felt some sympathy for you, then you come out talking this garbage. You are a pitiful example of a person and a human being. I still feel sorry for you, but I imagine there are a lot of people around you that feel sorry for you too. Maybe being a racist worthless Marxist is the only thing you can do well...

Thanks for making my point. 😅 🤡

 

[PAWrocka]

I don't have a lot in common with the far-left, but they have little influence on the Democratic party outside of their push for the student loan forgiveness plan, which I disagree with unless it's much more targeted.

But at least the Democrats have a better vision that includes making life better for all citizens. Most of Biden's big initiatives help red states much more than blue ones and even though the Republicans voted against them, they sure do love to take credit for the benefits their states are receiving.

But if forced to pick between the options, I don't understand how any moderate could vote for THIS iteration of the Republican party. What an ugly, dystopian vision it advocates.

I would say that your belief that Trans-women ARE women is pretty far “left” my man.

 

[hopefultiger13]

Same for me. Most of my friends are from both sides of the spectrum, but generally well traveled and more open minded. I don't love the far sides of either party, and I don't think most of America does.

What's wild is the guys on here who are just convinced about the evils and hatred of America coming from the left. That are legitimately scared that there are roving bands of Antifa, pedophiles, gun stealers etc.

True story here.

My brother and one of my best friends from High School are big Trump supporters and have always been way out on the edge of the Republican/Conservative party.

As you may have expected, they were also huge McCain fans back in 2008. I ended up voting Obama in that one, but it was really close... I never loved McCain's politics as they were very conservative socially, but I love the guy himself... a true patriot and a dude who's balls dragged the ground when he walked.

Anyway, during the leadup to the election, so of you older folks may remember the rumors going around, led by the shrill cries of the NRA, that Obama was going to come for everyone's guns (sound familiar?). I didn't put a lot of stock in that as there's NO WAY any serious gun ban would ever get through Congress and told them so repeatedly. Well, it was pretty obvious that Obama was going to win and my Brother and my friend bought a truly obscene amount off ammo... I'd guess off the top of my head that each of them probably put $5K or so into it. I'm talking cases of rifle ammo and not a little bit of shotgun as well, not to mention .40 pistol rounds by the case.

Needless to say, they were very smug about it when Obama won the election b/c the only way anyone was getting THEIR guns was to pry their cold dead hands off of them. Unfortunately, they were married (still are) and their wives were a lot less enthusiastic than they were. Well, the years passed by as they do, and oddly enough Obama didn't even TRY to come for their guns. I always made a point to ask them about it and ask for them to hold on to my guns when the guys in the black suits came calling. This seemed less funny to them as the years went on and those cases of ammo gathered dust and their wives nagged them about it.
Anyway, the wives won in about 2012 or 13 and they both agreed the ammo had to go. Unfortunately for them, the prospect of Obama coming for their guns seemed a LOT less likely after 4 years and they couldn't find anyone willing to give them even close to the amount they spent. Long story short, we had a few weekends of cold beer and target practice that I won't ever forget. I had the best time ever and all I had to do was buy all the beer.

 

[dpic73]

I would say that your belief that Trans-women ARE women is pretty far “left” my man.

Who said that was my belief??

 

[yoshi121374]

True story here.

My brother and one of my best friends from High School are big Trump supporters and have always been way out on the edge of the Republican/Conservative party.

As you may have expected, they were also huge McCain fans back in 2008. I ended up voting Obama in that one, but it was really close... I never loved McCain's politics as they were very conservative socially, but I love the guy himself... a true patriot and a dude who's balls dragged the ground when he walked.

Anyway, during the leadup to the election, so of you older folks may remember the rumors going around, led by the shrill cries of the NRA, that Obama was going to come for everyone's guns (sound familiar?). I didn't put a lot of stock in that as there's NO WAY any serious gun ban would ever get through Congress and told them so repeatedly. Well, it was pretty obvious that Obama was going to win and my Brother and my friend bought a truly obscene amount off ammo... I'd guess off the top of my head that each of them probably put $5K or so into it. I'm talking cases of rifle ammo and not a little bit of shotgun as well, not to mention .40 pistol rounds by the case.

Needless to say, they were very smug about it when Obama won the election b/c the only way anyone was getting THEIR guns was to pry their cold dead hands off of them. Unfortunately, they were married (still are) and their wives were a lot less enthusiastic than they were. Well, the years passed by as they do, and oddly enough Obama didn't even TRY to come for their guns. I always made a point to ask them about it and ask for them to hold on to my guns when the guys in the black suits came calling. This seemed less funny to them as the years went on and those cases of ammo gathered dust and their wives nagged them about it.
Anyway, the wives won in about 2012 or 13 and they both agreed the ammo had to go. Unfortunately for them, the prospect of Obama coming for their guns seemed a LOT less likely after 4 years and they couldn't find anyone willing to give them even close to the amount they spent. Long story short, we had a few weekends of cold beer and target practice that I won't ever forget. I had the best time ever and all I had to do was buy all the beer.

Totally true. It was impossible to get ammo during that time. There were some truly terrified white gun dudes who thought that black guy was gonna take their guns.

 

[hopefultiger13]

I’m younger than you, born in the early 80s, and still grew up with a healthy dose of anti-Russian sentiment. I think it shifted sometime after my age group.

I think the folks your age and the boomers that have some hardon for Putin are just low IQ weirdos.

This captures my bafflement perfectly. I don't give a rat's ass about Ukraine, they have a TON more in common with Russia than they do with US. BUT Russia is an enemy country. You can tell because we have nuclear weapons aimed at each other. Putin works against US interests constantly.

This is not to ignore China. They are an enemy country as well. Same reason as above. BUT just because China is a greater threat (and they are), doesn't mean Russia is somehow our friend. Republicans used to know this and the only people stupid enough to want to be friends with Russia was the far left. The problem here is that most Republicans aren't really Republicans any more. The party has largely devolved into the Trump party whatever Trump says is what they support.

Now Trump the businessman was looking to build a Trump tower in Moscow. Nothing wrong with that. He offered Putin one of the Penthouse Suites as incentive... this is a lot more shady, but IMHO business as usual in a place where Putin usually does whatever he wants. So they have a bit of a relationship and I can see where Trump doesn't want to burn that bridge. Again, nothing wrong with that from a business perspective. PLENTY wrong with that from the POTUS. But Trump is going to look after Trump before the US and his followers (formerly known as Republicans) bend themselves into knots supporting Trump.

This Russian Ukraine war is the best thing to happen to the US vs Russia "cold war" in a LONG TIME from the US point of view. Russia is bleeding themselves white over a little piss ant country that they should have rolled over in a couple of weeks.

 

[PAWrocka]

Who said that was my belief??

Well if you don’t … then welcome to the Transphobic Bigot club, relax, take your shoes off, beer is in the fridge

 

[yoshi121374]

This captures my bafflement perfectly. I don't give a rat's ass about Ukraine, they have a TON more in common with Russia than they do with US. BUT Russia is an enemy country. You can tell because we have nuclear weapons aimed at each other. Putin works against US interests constantly.

This is not to ignore China. They are an enemy country as well. Same reason as above. BUT just because China is a greater threat (and they are), doesn't mean Russia is somehow our friend. Republicans used to know this and the only people stupid enough to want to be friends with Russia was the far left. The problem here is that most Republicans aren't really Republicans any more. The party has largely devolved into the Trump party whatever Trump says is what they support.

Now Trump the businessman was looking to build a Trump tower in Moscow. Nothing wrong with that. He offered Putin one of the Penthouse Suites as incentive... this is a lot more shady, but IMHO business as usual in a place where Putin usually does whatever he wants. So they have a bit of a relationship and I can see where Trump doesn't want to burn that bridge. Again, nothing wrong with that from a business perspective. PLENTY wrong with that from the POTUS. But Trump is going to look after Trump before the US and his followers (formerly known as Republicans) bend themselves into knots supporting Trump.

This Russian Ukraine war is the best thing to happen to the US vs Russia "cold war" in a LONG TIME from the US point of view. Russia is bleeding themselves white over a little piss ant country that they should have rolled over in a couple of weeks.

All of this. You can literally tell who is being scammed by Russian Disinformation and social media by their position on Russia.

Pick any dude on this board, if they are pro-Russia you can ignore any of their other comments, they don't understand reality.

 

[dpic73]

Well if you don’t … then welcome to the Transphobic Bigot club, relax, take your shoes off, beer is in the fridge

See this is why there is such a disconnect between someone like me and the Right when it comes to these culture war issues. I would spend zero time thinking about .0042% of the population if it weren't for culture warriors like you constantly throwing it in our faces, like it's the number one issue of our times.

I suppose you think we spend just as much time advocating for them as you spend whining about them, but it's not true. I don't indulge Libs of TikTok or other social media accounts that desperately want to divide us by focusing on the most extreme members of society, because I don't want to be infected with that hateful propaganda.

But when we are continually put on the defense, I will speak up for them because they are "human beings". I do not believe they're doing it for fun or to piss you off - these people truly feel like they are the opposite sex and no amount of demonizing will change that. if this is what they feel they need to do to be happy and not kill themselves, I have NO desire to get in their way - none. I am not them !

That doesn't mean I think biological men should participate in women's sports nor do I believe that trans women are "biological" women, but I do believe that in their soul, their true self is not reflected by their biology. Who am I to tell them what they should or shouldn't be doing?

I know you're a sane person, but I don't know why you can't acknowledge that this is mostly a politically driven outrage machine to try and win future elections, because the GOP's policies are so unpopular with the majority of the population. That's it and that's why I fight it.

I'd still have a beer with you but I won't indulge your fear of people who won't conform to your vision of who they "should" be. K?

 

[TigerGrowls]

One of thr best cross the aisle self aggrandizing circle jerks that I have seen in awhile. LMFAO at you self anointed smart guys commiserating over your self perceived intelligence and enlightenment.

 

[dpic73]

One of thr best cross the aisle self aggrandizing circle jerks that I have seen in awhile. LMFAO at you self anointed smart guys commiserating over your self perceived intelligence and enlightenment.

smart guys > crazy guys

 

[treetiger]

Who said that was my belief??

Unfortunately you do whether you say it outright or from inference. You have shown that you support just about every other far left WOKE Marxist policy. Why would you then defer on sick trans theology? But, maybe that one statement "Who said that was my belief??" gives me hope that there's hope for you. I'm still pulling for you, but you are certainly making it difficult with some of your far left response.

 

[yoshi121374]

One of thr best cross the aisle self aggrandizing circle jerks that I have seen in awhile. LMFAO at you self anointed smart guys commiserating over your self perceived intelligence and enlightenment.

Here is one.

 

[yoshi121374]

Unfortunately you do whether you say it outright or from inference. You have shown that you support just about every other far left WOKE Marxist policy. Why would you then defer on sick trans theology? But, maybe that one statement "Who said that was my belief??" gives me hope that there's hope for you. I'm still pulling for you, but you are certainly making it difficult with some of your far left response.

Here is another.

 

[Cocks are Number 1]

It doesn't help that moderate republicans like Scott and Mace still will not say the 2020 election was not rigged. They always sidestep the question and say "we need to move on from 2020", but they won't say it was a fair election and that trump lost.

I’d rather Trump move on with his life, but I’ll go to my grave believing that election was rigged.

China/Powers that Be, also released covid to rid the world of Trump as US Prez.

Have a great night!

 

[dpic73]

Speaking of a radical takeover, here's a great article that speaks to an actual plan that Trump has to upend our democracy. A portion of it is below:

"A story in the New York Times today by Jonathan Swan, Charlie Savage, and Maggie Haberman outlined how former president Donald Trump and his allies are planning to create a dictatorship if voters return him to power in 2024. The article talks about how Trump and his loyalists plan to “centralize more power in the Oval Office” by “increasing the president’s authority over every part of the federal government that now operates, by either law or tradition, with any measure of independence from political interference by the White House.”

They plan to take control over independent government agencies and get rid of the nonpartisan civil service, purging all but Trump loyalists from the U.S. intelligence agencies, the State Department, and the Defense Department. They plan to start “impounding funds,” that is, ignoring programs Congress has funded if those programs aren’t in line with Trump’s policies.

“What we’re trying to do is identify the pockets of independence and seize them,” said Russell T. Vought, who ran Trump’s Office of Management and Budget and who now advises the right-wing House Freedom Caucus. They envision a “president” who cannot be checked by the Congress or the courts.

Trump’s desire to grab the mechanics of our government and become a dictator is not new; both scholars and journalists have called it out since the early years of his administration. What is new here is the willingness of so-called establishment Republicans to support this authoritarian power grab.

Behind this initiative is “Project 2025,” a coalition of more than 65 right-wing organizations putting in place personnel and policies to recommend not just to Trump, but to any Republican who may win in 2024. Project 2025 is led by the Heritage Foundation, once considered a conservative think tank, that helped to lead the Reagan revolution.

A piece by Alexander Bolton in The Hill today said that Republican senators are “worried” by the MAGAs, but they have been notably silent in public at a time when every elected leader should be speaking out against this plot. Their silence suggests they are on board with it, as Trump apparently hoped to establish."

https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/july-17-2023

 

[nytigerfan]

I’d rather Trump move on with his life, but I’ll go to my grave believing that election was rigged.

China/Powers that Be, also released covid to rid the world of Trump as US Prez.

Have a great night!

You are going to have to walk me through your logic here.

China and the powers that be wrecked their economies to spite trump? You have a very inflated view of trump's importance. China's GDP was growing steadily throughout trump's presidency, until 2020. But, you have always been a big trump fanboy, so I can see how that would affect your world view.

If china really wanted to hurt trump, they would have just seized his bank account there. You know, the one he failed to disclose while president.

 

[PAWrocka]

See this is why there is such a disconnect between someone like me and the Right when it comes to these culture war issues. I would spend zero time thinking about .0042% of the population if it weren't for culture warriors like you constantly throwing it in our faces, like it's the number one issue of our times.

I suppose you think we spend just as much time advocating for them as you spend whining about them, but it's not true. I don't indulge Libs of TikTok or other social media accounts that desperately want to divide us by focusing on the most extreme members of society, because I don't want to be infected with that hateful propaganda.

But when we are continually put on the defense, I will speak up for them because they are "human beings". I do not believe they're doing it for fun or to piss you off - these people truly feel like they are the opposite sex and no amount of demonizing will change that. if this is what they feel they need to do to be happy and not kill themselves, I have NO desire to get in their way - none. I am not them !

That doesn't mean I think biological men should participate in women's sports nor do I believe that trans women are "biological" women, but I do believe that in their soul, their true self is not reflected by their biology. Who am I to tell them what they should or shouldn't be doing?

I know you're a sane person, but I don't know why you can't acknowledge that this is mostly a politically driven outrage machine to try and win future elections, because the GOP's policies are so unpopular with the majority of the population. That's it and that's why I fight it.

I'd still have a beer with you but I won't indulge your fear of people who won't conform to your vision of who they "should" be. K?

so first things first, Id absolutely have a beer with you as well. I think it would be a great conversation, so if you find yourself on the Eastern Shore of MD or in Annapolis, we will make that happen.

Now ... this is going to be mostly anecdotal ....

With your .0042% number Im guessing you referencing people who are "Intersex", and if that is what we were talking about, I dont think anyone would spend any cycles thinking about but unfortunately that is not the case.

Lets agree that those who are painting trans people as all pedophiles are extremists who are spreading hate, BUT lets also agree that the core tenants of Trans ideology, espoused by both extremist and more mild activists, are that Trans-Women are women, biology is "meh", and that there are more than 2 genders. This is what I hear, see, and read from "that" side, and that isnt through a lens of Matt Walsh/Tim Pool/Charlie Kirk/etc ... that is what they believe ... and that is what they DEMAND I believe. If I dont, then Im a hateful transphobic bigot who is committing acts of violence/genocide. It really sounds that our beliefs are aligned, sooooo welcome to the Transphobic club

I have no doubt that many of those individuals who identify as Trans feel they were born in the wrong bodies. I have said numerous times that my heart goes out to those people. I certainly recognize, acknowledge, and respect their humanity but ... if Im expected to believe that sex and gender are fluid, that men can be women and women can be men ... Im never going to do that. I'll be polite and kind, but if a individual's subjective self worth is dependent on my objective total and complete acceptance of their internal identity belief, ya .... sorry there peaches, but Im not going to do that and if that hurts your feelings, that is a "you" problem, not a "me" problem.

I am then told that that gender dysphoria and transgenderism are two completely different things. That one is a mental disorder and the other is just a thing that you are. Gender Dysphoria is "a sense of unease that a person may have because of a mismatch between their biological sex and their gender identity" and that being Transgender means "having a gender identity, or their internal sense of being male, female, or something else, does not match the sex they were assigned at birth."

...

Those are the same things!

So if people who are transgender ARE suffering from a mental disorder, should we really be "affirming" that? Do we affirm the body image of a person who is suffering from Body Dysmorphia? "Youre right Alice, youre fat as shit, keep on purging! Love is love!" No of course not...

Now do I believe that all these people who claim to be Transgender have a mental illness? No of course I dont. Society has always had people who dont conform to the norm. There are guys out there who love to dress in black, paint their nails, grow their hair out and dye it black .... does that mean that they are trans? does it mean that they are actually a woman? No, it means that they like Marilyn Manson ... and that right there is my "concern". (actually I dont know if that is true anymore .... is goth still a thing? haha)

We are telling kids, specifically middle school aged kids, that they can change their gender, they were born in the wrong bodies, and that gender is on a "spectrum". We are telling the girl who likes girls, that they may actually be a boy. Maybe they are just lesbian?

In this Time article it shows that within Gen Z the rate of kids identifying as "transgender" is exploding. 1 in 5 (20%) people who claim to be transgender are between the ages of 13-18. How is that possible when compared to previous generations? I will not accept the "Well its more accepted now", because that is shit. Its absolutely more accepted now, soooooooo if "transgender" is something that you are born as, then the number of transgender people should be consistent across all age groups. Its almost like its a social contagion that has influenced the latest generations, specifically Gen Z.

How Gen Z Changed Its Views On Gender

Gen Z young adults are much more likely to report identifying as either trans or nonbinary than other generations.

time.com

And whats more concerning, is that the studies around transgender kids and gender affirming care can at best be classified as "pseudo-science". The rate of people who transitioned their gender as children who then de-transitioned as a adult is a hot button topic. In this article from Reuters (which I think we can agree is bipartisan) shows the rate of de-transition between 1 and 25% ..... thats a pretty big f'n delta. But thats largely irrelevant, because "we" have only been transitioning kids at the rate that "we" are for the last 10 years.
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-transyouth-outcomes/

Bottom line is that if youre an adult and want to live your life as the opposite sex and if you want to go as far as to mutilate yourself, go ahead ..... but if youre a minor?????? We need more data before we can say, definitively, that is a good idea or not.

And is the GOP playing this up and making a bigger issue of it than it is? .... Maybe .... BUT when presented with specific examples of how this is harmful or how its being exploited by deviants, the "left" just says " Oh that isnt happening" ... yes it is. It may not be happening at the alarming rates that the GOP wants us to believe, BUT kids are being influenced by BS, making decisions that are permanent, girls are being forced(against their will, and with threats of retaliation) to share bathrooms and locker rooms with men, language is being overhauled, and laws are being written because of hurt feelings (https://www.michiganreview.com/michigan-hb-4474-is-anti-free-speech-and-anti-constitution/).

Again are these isolated rare incidents that the GOP is using .... probably .... but does the Dems/Left not do the exact same thing? Interactions with police that end in violence or someone being killed are INCREDIBLY rare, but does that prevent the Dems and the Left from trying to convince black and brown communities that there is a klansman behind every badge every 2 to 4 years? 92% of African Americans vote Democrat, if that isnt a monolith ... I dont know what is. Ive read that if the African American demographic votes aligned with other minority races, Republicans would have super majorities in the House, Senate, and Governorships nationwide. So Dems need that voting block.

Sooooooo how is that different? How is that not a "culture war"?

So it really doesnt feel that you and I are all that different when it comes to the Transgender issue. We both dont believe that trans-people are of the sex that they believe they are. We both dont believe biological men (thats a trigger word btw) dont belong in women spaces or women's sports. We both respect the humanity of people ..... the only difference is that youre a smidge nicer about it or at least less willing to call BS than I am.

 

[PAWrocka]

One of thr best cross the aisle self aggrandizing circle jerks that I have seen in awhile. LMFAO at you self anointed smart guys commiserating over your self perceived intelligence and enlightenment.

An adult seeks conversation and common ground, a child seeks argument with no intention of compromise.


We agree a lot Growls, soooooo I say this with respect .... "Grow the F* up"

 

[hopefultiger13]

I’d rather Trump move on with his life, but I’ll go to my grave believing that election was rigged.

China/Powers that Be, also released covid to rid the world of Trump as US Prez.

Have a great night!

Well, you know how I feel about Trump, but you are out of your tree on the bolded part above. COVID was a GIFT to Trump as far as political goes. Before COVID, Trump was one of the most unpopular Presidents in history... Even FoxNews polls show he was NEVER above 50% approval his entire 4 years. Notably, his HIGHEST points (49%) were in 2020 while dealing with COVID.

National crises are a HUGE advantage to the people in power at the time as we Americans don't like to change in the middle of a crisis. ALL Trump had to do was stand around, look Presidential, and tell us to follow the advice of the CDC and his hand picked task force. He'd have won in a LANDSLIDE. But NOPE. He had to run that mouth of his and turn lots of the COVID press conference into clown shows, saying stupid shit and bringing actions (remember the drinking cleaning fluids and UV lights) that have no effect on COVID (or any illness) up. THEN he starts bashing the very people that HE picked to be on his own task force. Biden couldn't have scripted Trump to screw himself over any worse than Trump did by simply running his mouth.

Trump's got one person to blame for losing 2020, himself.

 

[yoshi121374]

Well, you know how I feel about Trump, but you are out of your tree on the bolded part above. COVID was a GIFT to Trump as far as political goes. Before COVID, Trump was one of the most unpopular Presidents in history... Even FoxNews polls show he was NEVER above 50% approval his entire 4 years. Notably, his HIGHEST points (49%) were in 2020 while dealing with COVID.

National crises are a HUGE advantage to the people in power at the time as we Americans don't like to change in the middle of a crisis. ALL Trump had to do was stand around, look Presidential, and tell us to follow the advice of the CDC and his hand picked task force. He'd have won in a LANDSLIDE. But NOPE. He had to run that mouth of his and turn lots of the COVID press conference into clown shows, saying stupid shit and bringing actions (remember the drinking cleaning fluids and UV lights) that have no effect on COVID (or any illness) up. THEN he starts bashing the very people that HE picked to be on his own task force. Biden couldn't have scripted Trump to screw himself over any worse than Trump did by simply running his mouth.

Trump's got one person to blame for losing 2020, himself.

100%. 9/11 was a huge opportunity for GW Bush and he handled it quite well, barring the Iraq stuff, but in the immediate aftermath, he was very presidential and had fairly universal support.

Rudy Giuliani absolutely built his career off of 9/11.

Donald Trump just has zero ability to just keep his mouth shut. All he had to do was not be on those press conferences with the Cove task force. Just make an announcement that you were supporting the scientists, then shit the hell up. He had to make it all about him, and in typical DJT fashion he looked like a freaking idiot because he refuses to actually do any sort of preparation. A president can't afford to just say dumb shit without preparation. Everybody is hanging on your every word.

 

[hopefultiger13]

so first things first, Id absolutely have a beer with you as well. I think it would be a great conversation, so if you find yourself on the Eastern Shore of MD or in Annapolis, we will make that happen.

Now ... this is going to be mostly anecdotal ....

With your .0042% number Im guessing you referencing people who are "Intersex", and if that is what we were talking about, I dont think anyone would spend any cycles thinking about but unfortunately that is not the case.

Lets agree that those who are painting trans people as all pedophiles are extremists who are spreading hate, BUT lets also agree that the core tenants of Trans ideology, espoused by both extremist and more mild activists, are that Trans-Women are women, biology is "meh", and that there are more than 2 genders. This is what I hear, see, and read from "that" side, and that isnt through a lens of Matt Walsh/Tim Pool/Charlie Kirk/etc ... that is what they believe ... and that is what they DEMAND I believe. If I dont, then Im a hateful transphobic bigot who is committing acts of violence/genocide. It really sounds that our beliefs are aligned, sooooo welcome to the Transphobic club

I have no doubt that many of those individuals who identify as Trans feel they were born in the wrong bodies. I have said numerous times that my heart goes out to those people. I certainly recognize, acknowledge, and respect their humanity but ... if Im expected to believe that sex and gender are fluid, that men can be women and women can be men ... Im never going to do that. I'll be polite and kind, but if a individual's subjective self worth is dependent on my objective total and complete acceptance of their internal identity belief, ya .... sorry there peaches, but Im not going to do that and if that hurts your feelings, that is a "you" problem, not a "me" problem.

I am then told that that gender dysphoria and transgenderism are two completely different things. That one is a mental disorder and the other is just a thing that you are. Gender Dysphoria is "a sense of unease that a person may have because of a mismatch between their biological sex and their gender identity" and that being Transgender means "having a gender identity, or their internal sense of being male, female, or something else, does not match the sex they were assigned at birth."

...

Those are the same things!

So if people who are transgender ARE suffering from a mental disorder, should we really be "affirming" that? Do we affirm the body image of a person who is suffering from Body Dysmorphia? "Youre right Alice, youre fat as shit, keep on purging! Love is love!" No of course not...

Now do I believe that all these people who claim to be Transgender have a mental illness? No of course I dont. Society has always had people who dont conform to the norm. There are guys out there who love to dress in black, paint their nails, grow their hair out and dye it black .... does that mean that they are trans? does it mean that they are actually a woman? No, it means that they like Marilyn Manson ... and that right there is my "concern". (actually I dont know if that is true anymore .... is goth still a thing? haha)

We are telling kids, specifically middle school aged kids, that they can change their gender, they were born in the wrong bodies, and that gender is on a "spectrum". We are telling the girl who likes girls, that they may actually be a boy. Maybe they are just lesbian?

In this Time article it shows that within Gen Z the rate of kids identifying as "transgender" is exploding. 1 in 5 (20%) people who claim to be transgender are between the ages of 13-18. How is that possible when compared to previous generations? I will not accept the "Well its more accepted now", because that is shit. Its absolutely more accepted now, soooooooo if "transgender" is something that you are born as, then the number of transgender people should be consistent across all age groups. Its almost like its a social contagion that has influenced the latest generations, specifically Gen Z.

How Gen Z Changed Its Views On Gender

Gen Z young adults are much more likely to report identifying as either trans or nonbinary than other generations.

time.com

And whats more concerning, is that the studies around transgender kids and gender affirming care can at best be classified as "pseudo-science". The rate of people who transitioned their gender as children who then de-transitioned as a adult is a hot button topic. In this article from Reuters (which I think we can agree is bipartisan) shows the rate of de-transition between 1 and 25% ..... thats a pretty big f'n delta. But thats largely irrelevant, because "we" have only been transitioning kids at the rate that "we" are for the last 10 years.
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-transyouth-outcomes/

Bottom line is that if youre an adult and want to live your life as the opposite sex and if you want to go as far as to mutilate yourself, go ahead ..... but if youre a minor?????? We need more data before we can say, definitively, that is a good idea or not.

And is the GOP playing this up and making a bigger issue of it than it is? .... Maybe .... BUT when presented with specific examples of how this is harmful or how its being exploited by deviants, the "left" just says " Oh that isnt happening" ... yes it is. It may not be happening at the alarming rates that the GOP wants us to believe, BUT kids are being influenced by BS, making decisions that are permanent, girls are being forced(against their will, and with threats of retaliation) to share bathrooms and locker rooms with men, language is being overhauled, and laws are being written because of hurt feelings (https://www.michiganreview.com/michigan-hb-4474-is-anti-free-speech-and-anti-constitution/).

Again are these isolated rare incidents that the GOP is using .... probably .... but does the Dems/Left not do the exact same thing? Interactions with police that end in violence or someone being killed are INCREDIBLY rare, but does that prevent the Dems and the Left from trying to convince black and brown communities that there is a klansman behind every badge every 2 to 4 years? 92% of African Americans vote Democrat, if that isnt a monolith ... I dont know what is. Ive read that if the African American demographic votes aligned with other minority races, Republicans would have super majorities in the House, Senate, and Governorships nationwide. So Dems need that voting block.

Sooooooo how is that different? How is that not a "culture war"?

So it really doesnt feel that you and I are all that different when it comes to the Transgender issue. We both dont believe that trans-people are of the sex that they believe they are. We both dont believe biological men (thats a trigger word btw) dont belong in women spaces or women's sports. We both respect the humanity of people ..... the only difference is that youre a smidge nicer about it or at least less willing to call BS than I am.

I can appreciate a LOT of this. I'd be all in on that beer as well. Although I consider myself a moderate, I think most on here put me in the Lib camp.

I'm against folks that were biologically assigned male and hit puberty as such, participating in traditional female sports. I get the gripe from the left, but it's just flat out a fairness/muscle mass issue. Most females simply can't match most males in a purely physical contest.

I'm also VERY uneasy about non reversible procedures that alter a person's body before 18. I can't see me EVER going along with that w/o parental permission and I don't like it even WITH permission.

 

[yoshi121374]

I can appreciate a LOT of this. I'd be all in on that beer as well. Although I consider myself a moderate, I think most on here put me in the Lib camp.

I'm against folks that were biologically assigned male and hit puberty as such, participating in traditional female sports. I get the gripe from the left, but it's just flat out a fairness/muscle mass issue. Most females simply can't match most males in a purely physical contest.

I'm also VERY uneasy about non reversible procedures that alter a person's body before 18. I can't see me EVER going along with that w/o parental permission and I don't like it even WITH permission.

I'm in both of these categories myself. I also don't think that there are many surgeries happening before people are 18 so I really think most of this is a big nothing burger

I really think this is another of those issues where the right could actually win if they could take a nuanced approach similar to what you posted, but the have to go all the way to the pedophilia and teachers are trying to convince children to have gender changing surgeries, etc, etc. That's where they lose me.

I'm very opinionated about this because my wife is an elementary school counselor, and I have quite a few Gay friends.

 

[PAWrocka]

I'm in both of these categories myself. I also don't think that there are many surgeries happening before people are 18 so I really think most of this is a big nothing burger

I really think this is another of those issues where the right could actually win if they could take a nuanced approach similar to what you posted, but the have to go all the way to the pedophilia and teachers are trying to convince children to have gender changing surgeries, etc, etc. That's where they lose me.

I'm very opinionated about this because my wife is an elementary school counselor, and I have quite a few Gay friends.

Soooo I just have to ask, because I see this a lot, what does the “transgender” discussion/debate have to do with homosexuals???

I know both are part of the “alphabet people”, but I see them as two completely exclusive groups of people and I don’t know why that connection is often drawn.

To me, it’s almost like when youre having a conversation with another couple about your kids and the joys of parenting, and then your wife’s annoying friend F’n Becky chimes in with “Oh oh oh I know exactly how you feel! Last week Bailey just refused to eat blah da blah blah blah dah blah blah”…. Bailey is of course a dog, and Becky proudly refers to herself as a “Dog Mom”. It’s like … ok they are kind of related buuuuuuuuuuuuuuut not really

I have two gay friends as well, and both reject a lot of the transgender ideology more than I do.

And in speaking about elementary school … there was quite the buzz in my little Eastern Shore town at the end of the school year. A new 4th grade “girl” started school in April (odd time to move but ok). By May “she” had told several of her classmates (and of course it spread quickly, it’s a little town) that she was a “non-binary bisexual” … 4th grader … I of course questioned how a 4th grader was familiar with those terms … it was then learned that the girls family moved her from California and you could almost hear the entire town say “ooooooh ok … that makes sense”

I told my son, what I always have told him … “You are to be polite and you are to be kind. If you’re anything other than that to this girl, there will be hell to pay. But … son … non-binary isn’t a real thing”

 

[dpic73]

so first things first, Id absolutely have a beer with you as well. I think it would be a great conversation, so if you find yourself on the Eastern Shore of MD or in Annapolis, we will make that happen.

Now ... this is going to be mostly anecdotal ....

With your .0042% number Im guessing you referencing people who are "Intersex", and if that is what we were talking about, I dont think anyone would spend any cycles thinking about but unfortunately that is not the case.

Lets agree that those who are painting trans people as all pedophiles are extremists who are spreading hate, BUT lets also agree that the core tenants of Trans ideology, espoused by both extremist and more mild activists, are that Trans-Women are women, biology is "meh", and that there are more than 2 genders. This is what I hear, see, and read from "that" side, and that isnt through a lens of Matt Walsh/Tim Pool/Charlie Kirk/etc ... that is what they believe ... and that is what they DEMAND I believe. If I dont, then Im a hateful transphobic bigot who is committing acts of violence/genocide. It really sounds that our beliefs are aligned, sooooo welcome to the Transphobic club

I have no doubt that many of those individuals who identify as Trans feel they were born in the wrong bodies. I have said numerous times that my heart goes out to those people. I certainly recognize, acknowledge, and respect their humanity but ... if Im expected to believe that sex and gender are fluid, that men can be women and women can be men ... Im never going to do that. I'll be polite and kind, but if a individual's subjective self worth is dependent on my objective total and complete acceptance of their internal identity belief, ya .... sorry there peaches, but Im not going to do that and if that hurts your feelings, that is a "you" problem, not a "me" problem.

I am then told that that gender dysphoria and transgenderism are two completely different things. That one is a mental disorder and the other is just a thing that you are. Gender Dysphoria is "a sense of unease that a person may have because of a mismatch between their biological sex and their gender identity" and that being Transgender means "having a gender identity, or their internal sense of being male, female, or something else, does not match the sex they were assigned at birth."

...

Those are the same things!

So if people who are transgender ARE suffering from a mental disorder, should we really be "affirming" that? Do we affirm the body image of a person who is suffering from Body Dysmorphia? "Youre right Alice, youre fat as shit, keep on purging! Love is love!" No of course not...

Now do I believe that all these people who claim to be Transgender have a mental illness? No of course I dont. Society has always had people who dont conform to the norm. There are guys out there who love to dress in black, paint their nails, grow their hair out and dye it black .... does that mean that they are trans? does it mean that they are actually a woman? No, it means that they like Marilyn Manson ... and that right there is my "concern". (actually I dont know if that is true anymore .... is goth still a thing? haha)

We are telling kids, specifically middle school aged kids, that they can change their gender, they were born in the wrong bodies, and that gender is on a "spectrum". We are telling the girl who likes girls, that they may actually be a boy. Maybe they are just lesbian?

In this Time article it shows that within Gen Z the rate of kids identifying as "transgender" is exploding. 1 in 5 (20%) people who claim to be transgender are between the ages of 13-18. How is that possible when compared to previous generations? I will not accept the "Well its more accepted now", because that is shit. Its absolutely more accepted now, soooooooo if "transgender" is something that you are born as, then the number of transgender people should be consistent across all age groups. Its almost like its a social contagion that has influenced the latest generations, specifically Gen Z.

How Gen Z Changed Its Views On Gender

Gen Z young adults are much more likely to report identifying as either trans or nonbinary than other generations.

time.com

And whats more concerning, is that the studies around transgender kids and gender affirming care can at best be classified as "pseudo-science". The rate of people who transitioned their gender as children who then de-transitioned as a adult is a hot button topic. In this article from Reuters (which I think we can agree is bipartisan) shows the rate of de-transition between 1 and 25% ..... thats a pretty big f'n delta. But thats largely irrelevant, because "we" have only been transitioning kids at the rate that "we" are for the last 10 years.
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-transyouth-outcomes/

Bottom line is that if youre an adult and want to live your life as the opposite sex and if you want to go as far as to mutilate yourself, go ahead ..... but if youre a minor?????? We need more data before we can say, definitively, that is a good idea or not.

And is the GOP playing this up and making a bigger issue of it than it is? .... Maybe .... BUT when presented with specific examples of how this is harmful or how its being exploited by deviants, the "left" just says " Oh that isnt happening" ... yes it is. It may not be happening at the alarming rates that the GOP wants us to believe, BUT kids are being influenced by BS, making decisions that are permanent, girls are being forced(against their will, and with threats of retaliation) to share bathrooms and locker rooms with men, language is being overhauled, and laws are being written because of hurt feelings (https://www.michiganreview.com/michigan-hb-4474-is-anti-free-speech-and-anti-constitution/).

Again are these isolated rare incidents that the GOP is using .... probably .... but does the Dems/Left not do the exact same thing? Interactions with police that end in violence or someone being killed are INCREDIBLY rare, but does that prevent the Dems and the Left from trying to convince black and brown communities that there is a klansman behind every badge every 2 to 4 years? 92% of African Americans vote Democrat, if that isnt a monolith ... I dont know what is. Ive read that if the African American demographic votes aligned with other minority races, Republicans would have super majorities in the House, Senate, and Governorships nationwide. So Dems need that voting block.

Sooooooo how is that different? How is that not a "culture war"?

So it really doesnt feel that you and I are all that different when it comes to the Transgender issue. We both dont believe that trans-people are of the sex that they believe they are. We both dont believe biological men (thats a trigger word btw) dont belong in women spaces or women's sports. We both respect the humanity of people ..... the only difference is that youre a smidge nicer about it or at least less willing to call BS than I am.

Dang man, I haven't had the bandwidth to respond to your manifesto until now, but again, I'm not as invested in this subject as the Right is and don't spend near as much time studying it. I know you think everyone on the Left is an expert on these subjects because some of your talking points are reflective of the voices on the Right that believe we're all the same. I went to Europe for 11 days back in May with 6 other lefties and I promise you we didn't talk about pronouns or trans issues one single time. The way you guys talk about it, transmania is everywhere - sorry I just don't see it much unless someone accuses me of being in favor of mutilation or some other stupid charge. But if I must, I'll give some quick thoughts on some of your talking points.

With your .0042% number Im guessing you referencing people who are "Intersex", and if that is what we were talking about, I dont think anyone would spend any cycles thinking about but unfortunately that is not the case.

At one point in the recent past, this was the figure I saw for the number of Americans that identify as trans but maybe it's higher than that, but regardless, it's still a tiny fraction of the population.

Lets agree that those who are painting trans people as all pedophiles are extremists who are spreading hate, BUT lets also agree that the core tenants of Trans ideology, espoused by both extremist and more mild activists, are that Trans-Women are women, biology is "meh", and that there are more than 2 genders. This is what I hear, see, and read from "that" side, and that isnt through a lens of Matt Walsh/Tim Pool/Charlie Kirk/etc ... that is what they believe ... and that is what they DEMAND I believe. If I dont, then Im a hateful transphobic bigot who is committing acts of violence/genocide. It really sounds that our beliefs are aligned, sooooo welcome to the Transphobic club

I don't know about you but I can't remember the last time someone demanded that I do anything, but if they did, I would only do it if I chose to. Problem solved. Having said that, I would have no problem addressing someone the way they preferred if they asked me nicely.

I have no doubt that many of those individuals who identify as Trans feel they were born in the wrong bodies. I have said numerous times that my heart goes out to those people. I certainly recognize, acknowledge, and respect their humanity but ... if Im expected to believe that sex and gender are fluid, that men can be women and women can be men ... Im never going to do that. I'll be polite and kind, but if a individual's subjective self worth is dependent on my objective total and complete acceptance of their internal identity belief, ya .... sorry there peaches, but Im not going to do that and if that hurts your feelings, that is a "you" problem, not a "me" problem.

A couple of months ago my company flew all the employees from around the country to Estes Park CO for our annual meeting and one night at dinner there was a great guy sitting at my table who had everybody laughing their asses off, really nice guy with a full beard who I learned after the fact was trans - I would have had no idea if no one had told me. I promise you girls would have a fit if he walked into their restroom. Anyway, long story short, he is a man to me and I'm cool with saying that.

We are telling kids, specifically middle school aged kids, that they can change their gender, they were born in the wrong bodies, and that gender is on a "spectrum". We are telling the girl who likes girls, that they may actually be a boy. Maybe they are just lesbian?

This is where I can't meet you halfway. No way in hell is this some type of commonly taught subject in middle school, I don't care what you saw on TikTok. Has it happened before - I don't doubt that it but no way in hell it's a systemic issue that requires this hysterical reaction from the Right. We will never ever be able to ensure that every teacher/person perfectly conforms to our ideas about what they say in class, but at least be honest about how rare it is - to say otherwise is completely disrespectful to the teaching profession.

In this Time article it shows that within Gen Z the rate of kids identifying as "transgender" is exploding. 1 in 5 (20%) people who claim to be transgender are between the ages of 13-18. How is that possible when compared to previous generations? I will not accept the "Well its more accepted now", because that is shit. Its absolutely more accepted now, soooooooo if "transgender" is something that you are born as, then the number of transgender people should be consistent across all age groups. Its almost like its a social contagion that has influenced the latest generations, specifically Gen Z.

I absolutely believe acceptance is part of it because now that they can freely express who they are AND they can do something about it, they're more comfortable being open about it. In the past maybe they sucked it up and suffered, or worse committed suicide. I do not believe you can make someone trans by suggestion - sorry.

Bottom line is that if youre an adult and want to live your life as the opposite sex and if you want to go as far as to mutilate yourself, go ahead ..... but if youre a minor?????? We need more data before we can say, definitively, that is a good idea or not.

I don't think it's a bad idea for children to wait until they're 18 but I also believe doctors should be the ones making that decision, not the state. There will always be a few exceptions that I believe warrant more help with their struggle than others but let's make sure it's a longer, harder process to get to that point. And please quit using the term mutilating yourself. Is that what you say about women who get breast implants, tummy tucks and BBLs? is that what you say to men who get vasectomies or penile implants? Body modification has been going on for decades so please stop using this ugly term to describe the surgery.

That's all for tonight and the beer's on me!

Also, I'm with Chuck!

 

[dpic73]

An adult seeks conversation and common ground, a child seeks argument with no intention of compromise.


We agree a lot Growls, soooooo I say this with respect .... "Grow the F* up"

If you agree with growls on a lot, you a freak! 😂

 

[firegiver]

LMAO... so let's think for a second. This "takeover" has been going on right under your noses for 50 years? And what pray tell have you "patriots" been doing to stop it over the last 50 years? NOTHING. That's what.

I mean it's almost like this stuff HASN'T been going on for 50 years and was just "made up" right about the time Trump ran for President in 2020 as an excuse for Trump to lose.

Nailed it. They are so full of chit

 

[TigerGrowls]

An adult seeks conversation and common ground, a child seeks argument with no intention of compromise.


We agree a lot Growls, soooooo I say this with respect .... "Grow the F* up"

Sorry bro but there is very little that I can agree on with the looney libs on this board and I am not in the mood to kiss their @$$ even a little. There is no longer a middle to meet at on most stuff. There is right and there is wrong. My beliefs on what I consider right and wrong are strong and I guess I am combative like Trump so I like to give it out when I receive it.

 

[hopefultiger13]

Sorry bro but there is very little that I can agree on with the looney libs on this board and I am not in the mood to kiss their @$$ even a little. There is no longer a middle to meet at on most stuff. There is right and there is wrong. My beliefs on what I consider right and wrong are strong and I guess I am combative like Trump so I like to give it out when I receive it.

Unsurprising... You and the looney libs are exactly the same, Part of the whole problem and a shining example of what's wrong with America.

 

[nytigerfan]

Sorry bro but there is very little that I can agree on with the looney libs on this board and I am not in the mood to kiss their @$$ even a little. There is no longer a middle to meet at on most stuff. There is right and there is wrong. My beliefs on what I consider right and wrong are strong and I guess I am combative like Trump so I like to give it out when I receive it.

Like your strong belief that donald trump is the only honest man in America. Despite the fact that he lies literally every day.

 

[hopefultiger13]

Like your strong belief that donald trump is the only honest man in America. Despite the fact that he lies literally every day.

Yep... The scary thing is he ACTUALLY believes that a guy who spent the first 60+ years of his life self identifying as a NY Liberal... who Growlz wouldn't have pissed on if he were on fire... and lies ALL THE TIME. Growlz believes that THIS GUY is telling the truth and half the people in the country are evil Deep State folks.

 

[nytigerfan]

Yep... The scary thing is he ACTUALLY believes that a guy who spent the first 60+ years of his life self identifying as a NY Liberal... who Growlz wouldn't have pissed on if he were on fire... and lies ALL THE TIME. Growlz believes that THIS GUY is telling the truth and half the people in the country are evil Deep State folks.

He believes much more than half are deep state. Anyone who disagrees with trump is deep state.

If trump slapped his wife in the face, he would call her deep state.

 

[TigerGrowls]

Show me a medium viewpoint on any major issue and I am happy to discuss.

 

[TigerGrowls]

Yep... The scary thing is he ACTUALLY believes that a guy who spent the first 60+ years of his life self identifying as a NY Liberal... who Growlz wouldn't have pissed on if he were on fire... and lies ALL THE TIME. Growlz believes that THIS GUY is telling the truth and half the people in the country are evil Deep State folks.

What a lame opinion. I do not care what he did before 2015. He entered the race and campaigned promising what he would do and I liked what he said and the fact that he is an outsider from DC and is a billionaire with a track record of success in business. He won and then kept his campaign promises for the most part so its that simple. Trump had the most tangible success of any potus in modern history before the China virus attack on the world and I absolutely think it was released to facilitate taking Trump out by the globalist deep state meaning the world wide globalist cabal.

 

[dpic73]

What a lame opinion. I do not care what he did before 2015. He entered the race and campaigned promising what he would do and I liked what he said and the fact that he is an outsider from DC and is a billionaire with a track record of success in business. He won and then kept his campaign promises for the most part so its that simple. Trump had the most tangible success of any potus in modern history before the China virus attack on the world and I absolutely think it was released to facilitate taking Trump out by the globalist deep state meaning the world wide globalist cabal.

 

[firegiver]

True story here.

My brother and one of my best friends from High School are big Trump supporters and have always been way out on the edge of the Republican/Conservative party.

As you may have expected, they were also huge McCain fans back in 2008. I ended up voting Obama in that one, but it was really close... I never loved McCain's politics as they were very conservative socially, but I love the guy himself... a true patriot and a dude who's balls dragged the ground when he walked.

Anyway, during the leadup to the election, so of you older folks may remember the rumors going around, led by the shrill cries of the NRA, that Obama was going to come for everyone's guns (sound familiar?). I didn't put a lot of stock in that as there's NO WAY any serious gun ban would ever get through Congress and told them so repeatedly. Well, it was pretty obvious that Obama was going to win and my Brother and my friend bought a truly obscene amount off ammo... I'd guess off the top of my head that each of them probably put $5K or so into it. I'm talking cases of rifle ammo and not a little bit of shotgun as well, not to mention .40 pistol rounds by the case.

Needless to say, they were very smug about it when Obama won the election b/c the only way anyone was getting THEIR guns was to pry their cold dead hands off of them. Unfortunately, they were married (still are) and their wives were a lot less enthusiastic than they were. Well, the years passed by as they do, and oddly enough Obama didn't even TRY to come for their guns. I always made a point to ask them about it and ask for them to hold on to my guns when the guys in the black suits came calling. This seemed less funny to them as the years went on and those cases of ammo gathered dust and their wives nagged them about it.
Anyway, the wives won in about 2012 or 13 and they both agreed the ammo had to go. Unfortunately for them, the prospect of Obama coming for their guns seemed a LOT less likely after 4 years and they couldn't find anyone willing to give them even close to the amount they spent. Long story short, we had a few weekends of cold beer and target practice that I won't ever forget. I had the best time ever and all I had to do was buy all the beer.

Sounds like a lot of fun. My friends and i really enjoy shooting and hunting.