Feels like as a society we are past our peak if we are starting to reject the simple fact of pasteurization.
What’s next? Gravity is fake too?
What’s next? Gravity is fake too?
Raw dairy
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Other than disease?My honest question, and I'm not judging, is Why?
What did you hope to get from milk?
Raw Milk
Raw milk is milk from cows, goats, sheep, or other animals that has not been pasteurized. Pasteurization is the process of heating milk to a high enough temperature for a long enough time to kill illness-causing bacteria contained in the milk.doh.wa.gov
That's it! I'm no more radical about it than that. This interview is eye opening if you want to see how regulation is captured by large producers.
Let's find a different source than RFK. That dude is legit nuts.
I do agree we have major issues with our food supply,food marketing, etc.
I worked in Food Service management for over 30 years so I'm extremely well versed in that field.
We buy 4 to 6 gallons every 2 weeks or so. We have a bunch of kids. Have to drive 4-5miles to her place to get it or meet at her fixed delivery spots. She is highly regulated and totally transparent. So, we can go to her place and watch the entire process. There are no pigs or geese on her farm. The issue is it cannot be sold in SC grocery stores. Going with your theme of self governance, most people can make decisions for themselves.
Can you tell me how many Americans died from raw milk ingestion last year?
I am not trying to make a case against you. I am just trying to understand the argument.
Government is synonymous with force (to govern is to force, to force is to govern). I do not favor forcing or regulating out of existence raw or unpasteurized dairy. I do, however, strongly maintain that the public needs to be made aware of the differences in raw and pasteurized products and the various risks associated with each.
Sensible. I agree. I see the value of pastuerized..homgenized milk..its heated to destroy bacteria..ALL bacteria..good and bad..
So sure..its 'safe'..but raw milk proponents like myself know this 'safety protocol' destroys a great portion of the health benefits..
The public knows these risks..and raw milk drinkers take the 'risk' because if you dont get sick...very very very unlikely to get sick .you get much better tasting nutrient rich milk...worth the risk for us..which is why we pay more to drink it
So my initial post is to make people aware..to not bow down..and allow raw milk sales to discontinue due to these 'risks..
Show the warnings..sure fine..but let the people decide if they wanna drink it or not..
Agreed. As a kid, I had a Great Aunt and Uncle that ran a Dairy Farm up above Saluda. We used to get raw milk from them on the regular. My Grandmother would let it sit in the fridge overnight and then skip the cream off the top. We drank the rest and it was Awesome.
Back when I lived in SC, I used to buy fresh seafood off the shrimp/oyster boats at Folly Island when we visited Charleston. It was awesome too. But I live in Idaho now, that's a 1000 miles from the ocean. Now, I don't eat seafood that's NOT frozen. Because it goes bad FAST. Same deal with raw milk. You only have a few days and that stuff is going to be coming out both ends after you drink it. That means it's not really an option for most folks.
I agree that a strong label should be required if ever sold in supermarket.
I also believe that cattle grown, killed and butchered in Argentina then sent to US for "packing" should not say "product of the usa". I believe the usda changed this recently(i need to check on that)-good on them if so.
Again, how many people died last year from drinking raw milk?
I'm not here to debate this subject because I don't care if you want to drink raw milk - I think it's odd but it's a free country, however, there are a small amount of deaths associated with it.
"Unpasteurized fluid milk was associated with 152 outbreaks (66% of all dairy), resulting in 1,735 illnesses (35%), 169 hospitalizations (38%), and two deaths (9%). Four of the 152 unpasteurized dairy outbreaks involved both fluid milk and cheese products made from the same milk. Five of the 152 outbreaks involved only goat milk and two involved both cow and goat milk.
Table 1 also displays the average number of deaths per thousand illnesses. Unpasteurized fluid milk shows a similar figure (1.2) to total foodborne outbreaks (1.1), pasteurized dairy is higher at 7.6, and dairy products which are both pasteurized and processed are significantly higher, at 40 deaths per thousand illnesses; this issue will be explored in a follow-up study."
Recent Trends in Unpasteurized Fluid Milk Outbreaks, Legalization, and Consumption in the United States - PMC
Introduction: Determining the potential risk of foodborne illness has become critical for informing policy decisions, due to the increasing availability and popularity of unpasteurized (raw) milk. Methods: Trends in foodborne illnesses reported to ...
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THis data includes 3rd world countries..nobody denies unsanitary conditions lead to illnessI'm not here to debate this subject because I don't care if you want to drink raw milk - I think it's odd but it's a free country, however, there are a small amount of deaths associated with it.
Total reported outbreaks
"Over the twelve year period from January 1 2005 to December 31 2016, there were 10,965 reported foodborne disease outbreaks, resulting in 208,734 illnesses, 10,585 hospitalizations, and 233 deaths."
Recent Trends in Unpasteurized Fluid Milk Outbreaks, Legalization, and Consumption in the United States - PMC
Introduction: Determining the potential risk of foodborne illness has become critical for informing policy decisions, due to the increasing availability and popularity of unpasteurized (raw) milk. Methods: Trends in foodborne illnesses reported to ...
I edited the post with US numbers only. Interesting that pasteurized milk was associated with more deaths, though I would assume those are people allergic to lactase.
Sure. It also should be noted that many who are lactose intolerant do not have those same issues with raw milk. Gut health improvement for some
Probably because the amount of people drinking pasteurized vs raw is overwhelmingly pasteurized. Raw milk also has lactose.
The overwhelming majority of all "fresh fish and shrimp" sold in coastal cities has already been flash frozen, or at least placed in 34deg seawater to lock in freshness and kill potential harmful bacteria. Unless you've caught it yourself, it's most likely been frozen, or placed in near freezing containment areas while out at sea.
So do that. All of thats great.
Why again, is anyone claiming raw dairy is under attack?
Is this just made up hurt feelings all over again?
I couldn't get any responses on what the hell everyone is griping about.
Finally I found this genius to let me know.
Not only was that hilarious, but it was amazingly appropriate.... Especially the comments at the very end. 🤣 Bravo 👏
P.s. strangely, I also want to try some of this raw milk now.
Yah me too. Love visiting local farms and buying the random dairy product. No lie
