Rewatch Tom Cruise's Controversial Clip Which Has a Whole New Meaning Now
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Its been my experience/observation that boys with out of control ADHD typically come from:
- single mother homes
- homes where the father isnt routinely emotionally/physically available
- homes where rules are rarely enforced, no consequences, and bad behavior is met with coddling and over the top positive reinforcement.
I personally think the "HD" in ADHD (Hyperactive Disorder) is complete and utter BS. The "Attention Deficit", part I get ... and somewhat agree with; however, if a kid can sit and play Fortnite for 8 hours straight ... they dont have a "Attention Deficit".
- single mother homes
- homes where the father isnt routinely emotionally/physically available
- homes where rules are rarely enforced, no consequences, and bad behavior is met with coddling and over the top positive reinforcement.
I personally think the "HD" in ADHD (Hyperactive Disorder) is complete and utter BS. The "Attention Deficit", part I get ... and somewhat agree with; however, if a kid can sit and play Fortnite for 8 hours straight ... they dont have a "Attention Deficit".
LoL Tom Cruise didn't say a single word about single mothers, or absentee fathers, or parenting at all in that clip. That's all you editorializing.
He was bang on right about the psychiatry industry though. I purposefully sought that clip out again recently to watch it, because I also felt that in hindsight, Tom Cruise is owed an apology for how much heat he took over that one.
But he never said one word about parenting and that other single parent bullshit. He was raised by a single mom. Why are y'all incapable of honesty?
I do think there is something going on with over prescribing drugs in this country. There are certainly legitimate uses for these drugs, but i think a lot of people take the lazy way out and use drugs as a shortcut.
oh 100%
I think there is a couple of things going on -
- Schools/teachers recommending medical intervention because our current public school system is very bad .... very bad at addressing individual child needs when it comes to learning.
- Big-Pharma all to eager to get new/keep customers
- overworked/underpaid/exhausted work force who doesnt have the energy to question/fight back so they just go along with it.
Tom Cruise thinks there are alien ghosts in his body. I ain't listening to shit that guy has to say about anything
Yeah, I'm against over-medicating, but his anti-psychiatry position is Scientology 101.
Learn more about it at the Psychiatry: An Industry of Death museum in Los Angeles.
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As the parent of a kid with ADHD, you’re completely wrong. I didn’t really get it before either, but it’s real and it’s not based on the circumstances you suggest.
I was clearly and obviously "editorializing" and giving my "honest" opinion.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/06/100601072634.htm#:~:text=Children were 54 per cent,with households not claiming benefits.
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/adhd-closely-tied-to-single-parenting/afih86hu5
https://paa.confex.com/paa/2016/mediafile/ExtendedAbstract/Paper4409/ADHD_1-16.pdf
Here is one from the NIH that ties ADHD to economic status. Guess what kind of household lead in low economic status .... single mother
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8926184/
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11121-022-01358-4
The keyword in my post was "typically" ...
Dont take offense at this but .... I dont know you .... maybe your kid has ADHD, maybe you suck at parenting ... I dont know.
But there is absolutely a link between single mother households; therefore, by extension weak parenting, and ADHD as confirmed in the links above.
but regardless ... kids are being diagnosed with ADHD and placed on drugs when they shouldnt be. I think everyone can agree on that.
Fair enough. Can't blame you for that.
There are a lot of other people, including democratic presidential candidate Robert Kennedy, saying similar things.
It's real, no dispute there.
However, I have a child on the medicine and I don't think he needs to be. I just have a fundamental disagreement with my wife about it and I want to stay married so he is on the medicine during the school year. I strongly disagree with her though.
I also think people put their kids on the medicine in order to "keep up with the Joneses" if you will. The kids that are on it have an unfair advantage in the classroom.
Oh well bless my buttons! Democratic Kennedy president candidate says so? Can we get presidentIal candidate Joe Exotic to weigh in on the subject? I'd really feel better if I knew where he stood
What do you think is causing the increase in the rate of autism?
Its a genuine question and I have no idea of the answer. However, something is causing it so I think its worth questioning everything we do.
I provided you 5 different links that linked ADHD diagnosis with single mother households, one from the NIH, all the while agreeing that ADHD is real and ... Im the clueless one?
No you didn't. You provided links that correlate adhd with low income households. You added the single mother stuff yourself.
You go from calling someone clueless in the post above to proving you are clueless in one post.
0/10.
The increased rates of autism? Oh is this an antivax thread!? Sweet I feel like we've been missing one of these on ye olde roundtable
No. We are discussing our heavily medicated society and whether it may, or may not, be related to certain outcomes. I am asking do you think our heavily medicated society has something to do with the increasing rates of autism? And, if you don't think so if you have any speculation about what may be causing the alarming increase in the rate of autism?
If that's too much for you to process at once I would understand, but curious as to your opinion so give it a shot.
Okay.....this is a non-political add to this conversation.
My Primary Care Physician and I were discussing weight loss. He suggested I watched some YouTube videos by a renown psychologist. His name escapes me at this moment but it was an Arabic name. (like Amir Abad or something - heck I may be way off)
The guy was really interesting. He had a passion for photography as a young man. So when he got into the medical field, he became a radiologist. Later he studied psychiatry. He observed that of all the medical fields out there, psychologist never examines the organ they are training to treat: the brain. Doctors interview the patient, based on their answers diagnose them and then treat them with pills. He felt this was wrong.
He basically started building a database of patients where he both interviewed them for their "mental" disorder AND took did brain scans. He started to see that people with certain issues had issues with different parts of the brain based on the scans. For example, his nephew was a problem child. He was treated with ADHD and other behavioral issues. He did a scan on his nephew to learn that it wasn't a mental issue but a physical one. He had a small tumor growing in his brain which was applying pressure to an area of the brain that was causing the behavior.
I just applaud his approach to examine mental health problems in a new way. Doctors should be armed with a information before making a diagnoses.
Just my 2 cents.
And I'll agree with PawRocka too. Some kids don't have ADHD. They're brats that have never been told no.
My Primary Care Physician and I were discussing weight loss. He suggested I watched some YouTube videos by a renown psychologist. His name escapes me at this moment but it was an Arabic name. (like Amir Abad or something - heck I may be way off)
The guy was really interesting. He had a passion for photography as a young man. So when he got into the medical field, he became a radiologist. Later he studied psychiatry. He observed that of all the medical fields out there, psychologist never examines the organ they are training to treat: the brain. Doctors interview the patient, based on their answers diagnose them and then treat them with pills. He felt this was wrong.
He basically started building a database of patients where he both interviewed them for their "mental" disorder AND took did brain scans. He started to see that people with certain issues had issues with different parts of the brain based on the scans. For example, his nephew was a problem child. He was treated with ADHD and other behavioral issues. He did a scan on his nephew to learn that it wasn't a mental issue but a physical one. He had a small tumor growing in his brain which was applying pressure to an area of the brain that was causing the behavior.
I just applaud his approach to examine mental health problems in a new way. Doctors should be armed with a information before making a diagnoses.
Just my 2 cents.
And I'll agree with PawRocka too. Some kids don't have ADHD. They're brats that have never been told no.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releas...er cent,with households not claiming benefits
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/adhd-closely-tied-to-single-parenting/afih86hu5
https://paa.confex.com/paa/2016/mediafile/ExtendedAbstract/Paper4409/ADHD_1-16.pdf
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8926184/
This article by the NIH links ADHD diagnosis to economic status
Here is a link showing that Single Mother households suffer from significant economic inequality
https://bmcpublichealth.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12889-016-3485-z
Do I really need to draw the line linking the two for you .... or do you get it?
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11121-022-01358-4
This article linked ADHD diagnosis to "Parent Relationship Status", which included single-mother/fatherless homes as a leading factor.
and just too make sure you dont weasel your way out with saying that some of the links provided refer to "single parent" not "single mother" .... here is a link that shows that 80% of all single parent households in the US are single mother households
https://singlemotherguide.com/single-mother-statistics/
There ... Ive done all your work for you. Now F* off
So the mother part is incidental, as I have said all along. It's the single parentage, that's all your links say. You are opining on the single mother part of things, because single mothers have always been a target of the GOP.
Oh no no no no ... youre not weaseling away .... youre ONLY reference to "single parenting" was below
... you called it "bullshit".
and merely stating that fact that kids from single mother homes are at a statistical disadvantage by every metric to kids from nuclear families, is NOT targeting single mothers
Here are some other ways and stats on just how bad single mother homes are for kids
and before you go down the road of "well men shouldnt abandon their women"
https://www.eviemagazine.com/post/7...by-women-due-to-various-mismatches-more-story
No, I said Tom Cruise never said anything about single parentage. Don't put words in my mouth. You just hate single mothers, like conservatives always have. This is just another way to target them.
I agree with this 100%. Big Pharma is moderately evil, and IMHO there's NO DOUBT that they LOVE to sell people drugs. ESPECIALLY ones that have to be taken daily and without end. I think there's a TON of kids on Adderall that don't need to be. So Cruise and the host here are correct on this.
BUT... "There's no such thing as a chemical imbalance in the Brain?" REALLY? Tom Cruise is one hell of an actor and has a ton of success in life in general. He is one driven dude. Salute! Hats off to the man. He's not stupid by any means.
But this guy is a high school dropout. He doesn't know a damn thing about psychology. If he wants to tell me how to act or how that industry works in general, I'm all ears. But I'm not taking advice from him on health care. I'd just as soon take social advice from Lebron James.
The post you quoted even has me saying "Tom Cruise didn't say that," Sherlock.
being trapped in a box isnt a good look on you.
Now F* off
Stowing my glib replies temporarily; I've seen no evidence linking autism diagnosis' to people taking medication. Most people receiving these psychiatric meds, mainly SSRI, are trying to treat depression or anxiety. I don't know how one would begin to suggest a link from person A injesting this and person B being diagnosed with autism.
Its a strange question. Theres a lot thats changed about life in the last 50 years, why would anyone suspect meds and not pollution or computers.
Isn't it wild how our parents almost ruined our civilization by burning LEAD gasoline? We almost lead poisoned ourselves back to the stone age.
And guess who fought tooth and nail to keep lead in gasoline? You won't need more than one try.
We had mine tested. 99th percentile on verbal IQ and was really really struggling in school (1st grade). Just couldn’t focus and was falling behind. Diagnosed with ADHD. Made dramatic progress in 3 months on meds. Now above grade level and we will keep working with him to ensure his classroom achievement tracts with his ability/IQ.
Without seeing it first hand, and how much he really needs it to focus, I wouldn’t fully understand. But the blanket assumptions or judgements about ADHD and meds are just off base.
And Tom Cruise is also a Scientologist and they're a bunch of weirdos. It's a cult.
It seems you would agree that it is worth looking into?
Computers are an interesting theory. No doubt that computers and Wi-fi have seen exponential growth that could align with the increase in autism. Certainly worth looking into.
I'm just saying that things we put in our bodies could be a cause also. I think it's obvious that we have no idea what causes Autism, cancer, and some other ailments and I don't think you can rule any of those things out.
For years and billions of dollars spent, researchers looked at the amyloid plaques as a cause of Alzheimers. Now they are not so certain and even found that the reason they were looking at those facts was based on a flawed study.
I think it would be very short-sighted to rule out vaccines, food, computers, wi-fi or any other reason. The only thing we are sure of is that autism is being diagnosed at a much higher rate than at any point in history.
Until Cruise et al are proven wrong, i think it's wrong to totally dismiss them just because their ideas are wacky.
I have no doubt that medicine works for your son and am glad that he found something that works for him.
I think there are many more cases that are not as obvious and even a lot of cases where (older) kids will feign symptoms in order to get the medicine. College students know exactly what to say to get the medicine even though they may not necessarily need it. Adderall helps me bigly even though im not adhd. I think thats what people are observing, is that we are over prescribed.
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