It's amazing what these clowns get away with now.
Rob DeSanctimonious pulling charity scam in FL. Shocked I tell ya!
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If by scam you mean soft power across the globe that gained us intelligence that the CIA exploited, then yes.
If you mean scam in that it wasn't good for American power, then no.
So it was 100% used for its intended purpose? You can’t even admit that maybe some portion of that was wasteful nonsense.
I gave you all the space to make this argument. Its been used as soft power, which the CIA has exploited. Check it out! its in my original post.
What do you want to say?
Your echo chamber told you it was a scam. But let's be clear, that scam kept millions of children alive and protected against the spread of diseases that will more easily make their way here now that we cruelly cut off aid with no warning and no communication. I'm now embarrassed by my country.
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I just find it interesting that the same people scorning the conservatives and DOGE for calling out USAID immediately, are the same ones jumping on the bandwagon of this report without any confirmation or context. I was shocked at how many times one of yall said something like, “well there’s going to be some fraud and waste, the government is big” when calling out the misspending of funds by USAID, yet now look at some of you. Literally doing the same thing.
I form my own opinions. There was millions being used on wasteful, partisan, pet type spending. That’s a fact. Not everything they did was bad and I haven’t made that claim but USAID had serious problems, bloated staff and mismanagement of our money.
So maybe some context is needed: Me, personally I am aware of all the things you would levy against the US government and its over reach in the global government system. I was against Reagan getting off on the IRAN CONTRA DEAL. I was against Clinton getting off on the ASPRIN FACTORY BOMBING. I was against GWB getting off on the IRAQ WAR. I was against Obama DRONE STRIKING EVERYONE HE COULD. and I'm against the CIA continuing its reign of terror for reasons you may want to ask me about. However, I'm not an idiot about what USAID does nor am I a fool about what it helps this country do. Are you smelling what I'm smoking bro? Or are you just now aware of geopolitics?
I would have to agree with all your positions there. I don’t think I’m missing anything. It seems your position is USAID was doing more good than bad and the entire thing shouldn’t have been shit canned over trans Sesame Street in Iraq. That close?
Somewhat, thank you, its more that we all know as citizens, that the CIA and the congress and presidency is using something like USAID as a front to do potentially bad things. But it may be shown that the bad, may be underweight by the good overall. What I mean by that is that are kids and the sick are getting service and surviving in impoverished nations.
Now, there are many folks who simply don't care about that. Which hey, lets decide amongst ourselves how to think about those people. However, this aid we send out allows us useful inroads into countries of consequence in our world view and interests. Either militarily or economically. So burning that all down, we are hurting our intelligence as well as our standing in the world.
Make that make sense.
On the surface I agree with your premise. However there are two things that I had issue with. Foremost is we have a serious problem at home with mental health, homelessness, addiction, veteran suicide, and countless other things that require attention and money and resources as well. Those should be our first priority imo. Secondly, of course there was some good with what USAID was doing but where I may differ is there is no room for wasteful spending. And if half of the alleged DOGE findings were true that is the definition of waste and must be removed. I do not agree with scrapping the whole thing, baby and bath water so to speak. And we should be watching every penny spent abroad for two reasons: so we have adequate resources still available here for our people and veterans and to ensure that working Americans tax burdens are as low as possible. I would consider myself more isolationist but also admit I’m not an expert in CIA foreign intelligence arms funded through a shell org called USAID and what impact that’s had on our country. Fill me in.
I think if I saw anyone making those arguments in a budget beforehand, I could see an argument to be had. But rather, it feels like things are being cut, and we will lose our goodwill and influence around the world…and still not have any budget focus on our countries mental health, homelessness, etc.
Think about what just the fact that American morons voted for Trump three ****ing times has done to our international reputation. It's so embarrassing. Imagine watching The Apprentice and saying "Americans voted that president".
Excellent point, it seems like we will have neither. In fact, it doesn't feel like there will be quality of life improvement in any area.
On that note, I think Buttigieg lays it out brilliantly here on what Democrats want for America and how drastically that differs from what we're experiencing. This was on the right-leaning Andrew Schultz show fyi and you can find the entire episode on youtube if you want to hear more. It's a great, respectful conversation that shows how people with different political leanings can find common ground by sitting down and listening to each other.
That’s fair. I would just say that it’s the responsibility of the government to be good stewards of our money. If it’s being wasted that doesn’t need an argument in an annual budget meeting. I don’t do that with my money and you don’t either. I agree with you to an extent as well, they should have been more selective in what was cut. But that doesn’t change the fact that there were major issues that imo don’t require a long meeting to review, if those things are important don’t tie them to things like I mentioned. Let the “international development” speak for itself. We don’t need trans advocates in Nigeria, that’s not saving American lives. Things like that have to go imo. And if those things are just some CIA smokescreen to funnel money or influence or intelligence that’s beyond my comprehension.
In honor of your post here’s another twitter grab from the other side. Let’s see the outrage pour out.
If everything is as the tweet makes it seem, this is the type of fraud/corruption that would seem like a slam dunk to expose, and I don’t think any real people on the left would disagree.
Hi Grok, is this true?
However, Peter Mills clarified in a 2019 interview with NEWS CENTER Maine that WM&RC’s purpose was to negotiate with CMP and Hydro Quebec to ensure public and charitable mitigation for the corridor’s impact, not to personally profit. The $22 million was part of a broader $258 million benefits package CMP offered Maine over 40 years, including funds for electric bill relief, clean energy initiatives, and community benefits, though critics argue the funds’ distribution lacks transparency. No definitive evidence confirms Peter Mills personally pocketed the money, and the nonprofit’s structure suggests it was meant to manage mitigation funds, not funnel them to individuals. Still, the lack of clear accounting for the $22 million fuels suspicion, and a formal investigation request was submitted in March 2025 to the Maine Attorney General.
The situation remains murky. While the narrative of corruption is pushed by some sources, it’s based largely on circumstantial connections and unverified claims. Without concrete evidence of personal enrichment, it’s plausible the funds were mismanaged or poorly allocated rather than stolen, but the optics of a family tie to the governor and a major utility project invite scrutiny. An ongoing investigation, if pursued, could clarify the funds’ fate."
You could have done the same thing with the OP but you had to get in line and start promoting lies. Tribalism at its core.
Grok
Conclusion: The $10 million diversion to Hope Florida has sparked legitimate concerns about legality and transparency, supported by documents suggesting it was part of taxpayer-owed funds. However, labeling it as “theft” by DeSantis personally is not substantiated by current evidence, as no formal charges or convictions exist. The issue hinges on whether the settlement’s terms were lawful and whether the funds were misused politically. Ongoing legislative inquiries may clarify these points, but as of now, the situation remains contentious and unresolved. For further details, you can explore sources like the Miami Herald or POLITICO.
What lies did I promote?
Your AI answer seems to be hedging on semantics without calling it false.
Are you serious. The AI is lying now. This is the main reason I ignore most of your posts.
Sure, I think it was likely started since the right is in power and seems to be throwing the stones, as it were
He acts like we didn't just sit through 4 years of Gym Jordan and James Gomer along with MTG of course wasting hours and hours of taxpayer money going after Hunter Biden's laptop despite the fact that of course their savior Trump was the one caught trying to shake down Zelensky to invent some kind of dirt on Biden.
I mean Trump himself and his sons very plainly were implicated in their own charity scam, but of course his minions dgaf about any of that.
