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***Roe v Wade Overturned***

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Strong, real strong:

"The Constitution makes no express reference to a right to obtain an abortion, and therefore those who claim that it protects such a right must show that the right is somehow implicit in the constitutional text.

The right to abortion does not fall within this category. Until the latter part of the 20th century, such a right was entirely unknown in American law. Indeed, when the Fourteenth Amendment was adopted, three quarters of the States made abortion a crime at all stages of pregnancy. The abortion right is also critically different from any other right that this Court has held to fall within the Fourteenth Amendment’s protection of “liberty.”

Roe’s defenders characterize the abortion right as similar to the rights recognized in past decisions involving matters such as intimate sexual relations, contraception, and marriage, but abortion is fundamentally different, as both Roe and Casey acknowledged, because it destroys what those decisions called “fetal life” and what the law now before us describes as an “unborn human being.”13 Stare decisis, the doctrine on which Casey’s controlling opinion was based, does not compel unending adherence to Roe’s abuse of judicial authority. Roe was egregiously wrong from the start. Its reasoning was exceptionally weak, and the decision has had damaging consequences.

And far from bringing about a national settlement of the abortion issue, Roe and Casey have enflamed debate and deepened division. It is time to heed the Constitution and return the issue of abortion to the people’s elected representatives. “The permissibility of abortion, and the limitations, upon it, are to be resolved like most important questions in our democracy: by citizens trying to persuade one another and then voting.” Casey, 505 U. S., at 979 (Scalia, J., concurring in judgment in part and dissenting in part). That is what the Constitution and the rule of law demand."
 
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Yeah lets all be worried about the members of the Supreme Court during this difficult time.
We know how the mob handles their business. Im sure death threats are gonna be coming strong for the justicies and their families.

You gotta love the smell of checks and balances in the morning though. Constitution is putting power back in the states hands instead of in the hands of the political elite in D.C.
 
We know how the mob handles their business. Im sure death threats are gonna be coming strong for the justicies and their families.

You gotta love the smell of checks and balances in the morning though. Constitution is putting power back in the states hands instead of in the hands of the political elite in D.C.
Just like the death threats to Planned Parenthoods for years amirite?
 
Just like the death threats to Planned Parenthoods for years amirite?
Neither should be condoned but you and I both know the constitutional appointed justicies and their families are about to feel the full brunt from the mob. Pelosi is already out there fanning the flames.

The power is now out of DC and into individual states hands where it should be.
 
Neither should be condoned but you and I both know the justicies and their families are about to feel the full brunt from the mob. Pelosi is already out there fanning the flames.

The power is now out of DC and into individual states hands where it should be.
as they should be. 70+% of the population across both parties supported RvW. this is completely against the wishes of a majority of the country
 


Strong, real strong:

"The right to abortion does not fall within this category. Until the latter part of the 20th century, such a right was entirely unknown in American law. Indeed, when the Fourteenth Amendment was adopted, three quarters of the States made abortion a crime at all stages of pregnancy. The abortion right is also critically different from any other right that this Court has held to fall within the Fourteenth Amendment’s protection of “liberty.”

Roe’s defenders characterize the abortion right as similar to the rights recognized in past decisions involving matters such as intimate sexual relations, contraception, and marriage, but abortion is fundamentally different, as both Roe and Casey acknowledged, because it destroys what those decisions called “fetal life” and what the law now before us describes as an “unborn human being.”13 Stare decisis, the doctrine on which Casey’s controlling opinion was based, does not compel unending adherence to Roe’s abuse of judicial authority. Roe was egregiously wrong from the start. Its reasoning was exceptionally weak, and the decision has had damaging consequences.

And far from bringing about a national settlement of the abortion issue, Roe and Casey have enflamed debate and deepened division. It is time to heed the Constitution and return the issue of abortion to the people’s elected representatives. “The permissibility of abortion, and the limitations, upon it, are to be resolved like most important questions in our democracy: by citizens trying to persuade one another and then voting.” Casey, 505 U. S., at 979 (Scalia, J., concurring in judgment in part and dissenting in part). That is what the Constitution and the rule of law demand."

A couple of points...

1. That November red wave just evaporated. The dems were already out fundraising replublicans, that gap is only going to increase now. Follow the money.

2. Curious how the folk in southern states are planning to enforce these new laws? Yall are all about not having the gubment interfere in your life. Are you now going to be all for law enforcement violating doctor-patient confidentiality? How about forcing women to publicize their menstrual cycles? Or are you going to go the TX route and pay citizens to spy in other citizens and turn them in, with or without actual proof?

3. Interesting that this SCOTUS saw the ability to conceal carry as a federal issue, but abortion rights as a states issue.

4. See Clarence Thomas's opinion. He is already urging the court to go after gay marriage and contraception. This ain't over.
 
Neither should be condoned but you and I both know the constitutional appointed justicies and their families are about to feel the full brunt from the mob. Pelosi is already out there fanning the flames.

The power is now out of DC and into individual states hands where it should be.
Pelosi, the queen of do-nothing and then tell voters it's up to them every second November, just said women's rights are on the ballot in November.

If only she'd done something for I don't know, her entire career?
 

Supreme Court overturns Roe v Wade. In many states, women whose life is at risk from a pregnancy or were raped will be forced to carry a birth to term in a country with the worst rate of maternal and fetal death rate in the developed world. Will also open up the possibility of making it illegal for women to to get pregnant via IVF.

Supreme Court rules that federal officials can't be sued if they violate your Constitutional right to illegal search and seizure, effectively nullifying a Constitutional right from protection of unreasonable search and seizure.

Supreme Court overturns a NY gun law and essentially says any gun law passed that wasn't based on historical precedent of law dating back to the 1800s is illegal.

Supreme Court once again rules in favor of federal/state money being forced to go to religious organizations, further eroding any notion of separation of church and state and continuing to make it unconstitutional to separate church and state.

BuT tHe CoUrT iSn'T PoLiTiCiZeD
 
Are you familiar with our system of government?

NY Population - 19.5 MM - two senators
SC Population - 5 MM - two senators

Yes im familiar and today was a day where we get to see what checks and balances is like. Elections have consequences.
 
Hard to not be livid at Dems in DC as well. We knew this was coming and they did nothing. Just ****ing fundraised off it. Shame on us all.

Possibly. But I think you are going to see a flurry of legal activity that has been planned.
 
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Neither should be condoned but you and I both know the constitutional appointed justicies and their families are about to feel the full brunt from the mob. Pelosi is already out there fanning the flames.

The power is now out of DC and into individual states hands where it should be.
Again Ts&Ps to those justices during this difficult time.

I'm sure states will properly support the potential for new mothers in the future.
 
Are you familiar with our system of government?

NY Population - 19.5 MM - two senators
SC Population - 5 MM - two senators
If you read his post, you would see he insinuated support was Roe was across both parties. If you need me to explain that to you it means dems and pubs, so no problem in red states if he is right.
 
Yes im familiar and today was a day where we get to see what checks and balances is like. Elections have consequences.

I know why you think it is fair. Your votes counts 4 times what my vote counts. And when you factor in that SC is a welfare state that sucks off the government teet, funded by my tax dollars... something has to change.
 
A couple of points...

1. That November red wave just evaporated. The dems were already out fundraising replublicans, that gap is only going to increase now. Follow the money.

2. Curious how the folk in southern states are planning to enforce these new laws? Yall are all about not having the gubment interfere in your life. Are you now going to be all for law enforcement violating doctor-patient confidentiality? How about forcing women to publicize their menstrual cycles? Or are you going to go the TX route and pay citizens to spy in other citizens and turn them in, with or without actual proof?

3. Interesting that this SCOTUS saw the ability to conceal carry as a federal issue, but abortion rights as a states issue.

4. See Clarence Thomas's opinion. He is already urging the court to go after gay marriage and contraception. This ain't over.
Your prognostication record is not at a very high percentage, but points noted.
 
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do you know how many rights are incorporated under the umbrella of certain amendments and not spelled out specifically? Do you think school segregation is constitutional because it’s not explicitly stated in the 14th amendment?
So why was abortion not addressed when the 14th was passed if it was meant to be applicable?
 
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Perfect example of morons whose right to vote should be red flagged for mental heath instability. Scotus did nothing to criminalize abortion. Many states are already in the process of EXPANDING abortion rights.
no shit you rube, they opened the book up to states to criminalize it.
 
Again Ts&Ps to those justices during this difficult time.

I'm sure states will properly support the potential for new mothers in the future.
Im sure some states will also properly support the child with a beating heart as well.
 
do you know how many rights are incorporated under the umbrella of certain amendments and not spelled out specifically? Do you think school segregation is constitutional because it’s not explicitly stated in the 14th amendment?
It's in my OP:

"The right to abortion does not fall within this category. Until the latter part of the 20th century, such a right was entirely unknown in American law. Indeed, when the Fourteenth Amendment was adopted, three quarters of the States made abortion a crime at all stages of pregnancy. The abortion right is also critically different from any other right that this Court has held to fall within the Fourteenth Amendment’s protection of “liberty.”

Roe’s defenders characterize the abortion right as similar to the rights recognized in past decisions involving matters such as intimate sexual relations, contraception, and marriage, but abortion is fundamentally different, as both Roe and Casey acknowledged, because it destroys what those decisions called “fetal life” and what the law now before us describes as an “unborn human being.”13 Stare decisis, the doctrine on which Casey’s controlling opinion was based, does not compel unending adherence to Roe’s abuse of judicial authority. Roe was egregiously wrong from the start. Its reasoning was exceptionally weak, and the decision has had damaging consequences.

And far from bringing about a national settlement of the abortion issue, Roe and Casey have enflamed debate and deepened division. It is time to heed the Constitution and return the issue of abortion to the people’s elected representatives. “The permissibility of abortion, and the limitations, upon it, are to be resolved like most important questions in our democracy: by citizens trying to persuade one another and then voting.” Casey, 505 U. S., at 979 (Scalia, J., concurring in judgment in part and dissenting in part). That is what the Constitution and the rule of law demand."
 
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as they should be. 70+% of the population across both parties supported RvW. this is completely against the wishes of a majority of the country
Dr. Bernard Nathanson, one of the leaders in performing abortions and leaders of the movement in the early seventies, later reversed his position, based on science. He was an atheist. He stated that they said 70% were in favor while knowing it was only about 20%. Said they intentionally misled the public.
 
no shit you rube, they opened the book up to states to criminalize it.
OR expand it, which was exactly the right decision. This is just the beginning however, bc there will be multiple challenges from both sides headed their way on abortion rights laws passed by states.
just fyi, if there is an abortion ban proposal in sc coming, I would likely vote against it.
 
Perfect example of morons whose right to vote should be red flagged for mental heath instability. Scotus did nothing to criminalize abortion. Many states are already in the process of EXPANDING abortion rights.
2 dozen states have already put in laws that will put in restrictive abortion rights.
 
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Dr. Bernard Nathanson, one of the leaders in performing abortions and leaders of the movement in the early seventies, later reversed his position, based on science. He was an atheist. He stated that they said 70% were in favor while knowing it was only about 20%. Said they intentionally misled the public.
Broad support for abortion rights: Gallup polls show Americans’ support for abortion in all or most cases at 80% in May 2021, only sightly higher than in 1975 (76%), and the Pew Research Center finds 59% of adults believe abortion should be legal, compared to 60% in 1995—though there has been fluctuation, with support dropping to a low of 47% in 2009.

It's in my OP:

"The right to abortion does not fall within this category. Until the latter part of the 20th century, such a right was entirely unknown in American law. Indeed, when the Fourteenth Amendment was adopted, three quarters of the States made abortion a crime at all stages of pregnancy. The abortion right is also critically different from any other right that this Court has held to fall within the Fourteenth Amendment’s protection of “liberty.”

Roe’s defenders characterize the abortion right as similar to the rights recognized in past decisions involving matters such as intimate sexual relations, contraception, and marriage, but abortion is fundamentally different, as both Roe and Casey acknowledged, because it destroys what those decisions called “fetal life” and what the law now before us describes as an “unborn human being.”13 Stare decisis, the doctrine on which Casey’s controlling opinion was based, does not compel unending adherence to Roe’s abuse of judicial authority. Roe was egregiously wrong from the start. Its reasoning was exceptionally weak, and the decision has had damaging consequences.

And far from bringing about a national settlement of the abortion issue, Roe and Casey have enflamed debate and deepened division. It is time to heed the Constitution and return the issue of abortion to the people’s elected representatives. “The permissibility of abortion, and the limitations, upon it, are to be resolved like most important questions in our democracy: by citizens trying to persuade one another and then voting.” Casey, 505 U. S., at 979 (Scalia, J., concurring in judgment in part and dissenting in part). That is what the Constitution and the rule of law demand."
you're linking copy pasta from a Scalia excerpt. that's one justice's opinion and is hardly a concrete answer. i could link 4 other opinions arguing against it - i wanted YOUR explanation for it.
 
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