Yes, if funding shifted from local to federal I’d expect local taxes to decrease. Education is one of those things that I believe you find a way to pay for - like national defense. We should strive for a more educated populace - it’s better for the economy, better for the country, better in general for advancement as a species.
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It's not universities. It's a reference to the entire schooling process in Gaza and the horrendous impact it's had on the people there. The point is an extreme example of how schools can absolutely be used to shape the views and beliefs of a society. While to a lesser degree, that is absolutely going on in this country as well.
As for your statement about Israel, when you have a group that imbeds itself in the civilian population there will be casualties. Were the world to get behind Israel and understand what they are dealing with it would help. Also, if a terrorist group is allowed to use civilians this way and we just turn on the country they are fighting, then we're setting the stage for a lot more tactics like this going forward. Also, the number of civilians killed by Israel is absolutely disputable. We've already seen wild revisions downward in the numbers killed. That people take Hamas casualty numbers and use them as fact is unbelievable. They lie about everything and always have.
War is horrible. People die needlessly in war. Winning a war is an ugly proposition. Hence the reason why war should be avoided at all costs. Perhaps the people in Gaza should have demanded Hamas give up power and perhaps they should have embraced a culture of peace and coexistence with Israel. They didn't and now they are suffering for it. It was their choice and Hamas must not be allowed to exist any longer.
No way to greater federal funding of education. What there is now needs to be completely defunded. A government should NEVER EVER be responsible or have control of the education of the people it claims to represent. Never!
The very best teachers in America make the same as any other teacher with their years of experience. A bad teacher can thrive in this system. It's ridiculous.
We should allow great teachers to make great amounts of money for their success. How many jobs can someone with great ability make more of a difference than a teacher?
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More funding won't help anything. In the same way you can't force people to be free, you can't force people to get educated by throwing more money at a problem. It's a societal issue that has to be fixed at the societal level. We have massive socioeconomic problems with valuing education and all those folks get is more talk about how they are victims and can't survive without the government tit. Government isn't the answer. We have to make decisions about our culture that would be uncomfortable for a lot of people to make. We are what we eat.
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I agree it’s not a money problem in the sense that we need to spend wildly more on education overall. I’m pretty sure we’re one of the top worldwide spenders per capita on secondary education. It could be the case that we need to change how we’re spending it. Personally of the opinion that we need to spend less on administration and more on teachers themselves.
I also agree that parents need to take more responsibility for their own kids. Our culture and society can absolutely be better there.
I do think it’s inconsistent to lay a lot of blame at the feet of the government while maintaining that the government can’t play a role in improving things too.
Maybe I’m underestimating the problem, but we need to be pragmatic and not wed to dogma
You almost seem sane with this post:
"I also agree that parents need to take more responsibility for their own kids. Our culture and society can absolutely be better there."
This used to be called the PTA (Parent Teacher Association). At that time they were begging for parents to get involved in their kids lives, because the parents didn't care that their son/daughter would grow up to be a POS without their involvement.
Now, when they choose to be involved, they're called domestic terrorist by our gov't because they don't agree that their daughter can be a man, or their son can be a daughter and don't want anyone to know about it.
It seems like at some point you libs would admit all that you have fvcked up. Yet, it always falls at the feet of someone else.
Everything y'all touch turns into sh!t, or what I call the reverse Midas touch.
Do you have an article where they’ve been called Donestic Terrorist by the government?
This is probably the biggest issue, not funding amounts or sources. But there is also no specific way to solve it. I would start by shifting the national message away from victimhood and government reliance to personal responsibility and complete ownership of your future.
Generally agree. I don’t agree with your position on blowing up public education entirely, but mostly agree here. None of it matters if parents aren’t invested in their kids’ educational success, if the kids aren’t taught that education is of paramount importance and they don’t fully understand that they are 100% in control of their future and their hard work in the classroom is a big part of that.
That’s on the parents and communities though. Nothing to do with the government, other than the poisonous victimhood messaging coming from it.
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Absolutely can’t hurt to get people to take more control of their own lives, and it doesn’t have to be a negative message.
Victimhood can mean a million different things. If somebody’s a goofball and doesn’t work hard, there’s a price to that.
On the other hand. I don’t think we should dismiss the idea that some things are harder for young people nowadays than they were before, and it’s not their fault. You can’t be a milkman with a house, stay at home wife, and 2 kids anymore.
To talk from personal experience, my grandparents were immigrants, and they succeeded here due to a lot of hard work and toughness in the absence of formal education. I haven’t had to work as hard as them, nor did my parents. My grandfather (well into his 90s) has griped plenty about today’s youth, but he’s also pointed out that back in his day, it was a hell of a lot easier to be a high school drop out and have a well-fed family and a house. Sure, you can work in a skilled trade, but you’re still not getting ahead as quickly as you once were.
To my eye, that’s the source of a lot of frustration with people in their 20s and 30s: that they didn’t do anything wrong, that they went to school and got a reasonable job, but they’re not as comfortable economically as their parents or grandparents would have been under the same circumstances. Sold a dream that doesn’t exist anymore, or at least one that’s a lot harder to obtain.
Anyway, back to education, if Johnny isn’t good at math, we’re getting nowhere by bowing to his mom’s insistence that he’s the second coming of Einstein. Whatever we can do to push back on that trend’s probably a good thing
