Serious tariff question

[ANEW]

Trump has a 3pm phone call with Trudeau

I don't know.. Trudeau might just take this into stupid territory and make us hurt them. But if so, it's not going to last long. Trump is making a point right now, as long as that point is acknowledged and canada agrees to work with us in good faith, we will work with them. IMHO.

 

[WapPride]

So now Mexico is pledging to deploy 10,000 troops to the US border if big bad Uncle Sam holds off on those tariffs while there is discussion on a wider deal. America is better off, and the the democrats can rest easy that the price of guacamole for the super bowl will not rise.

It's amazing how fast behavior can change when daddy comes back home.

Mexico did the same thing in 2021, but didn't end up tanking the stock market beforehand. Props to Pres Sheinbaum, too, since she got Trump to agree to help crack down on arms trafficking into Mexico.

Mexico, Honduras, Guatemala deploy troops to lower migration

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Biden administration has struck an agreement with Mexico, Honduras and Guatemala to temporarily surge security forces to their borders in an effort to reduce the tide of migration to the U.S. border.

apnews.com

 

[WapPride]

Since Trump has stated that he doesn't want to have to use tariffs and they are a negotiaing tool, winning is getting what you want in a negotiation.

Yes, Americans will be better off with less fentanyl and drugs coming into the country. Thousand upon thousands have been killed by fentanyl.

And, it's already working. Mexico just sent 10,000 troops to their border. And guess what, Trump already removed their Tariff.

You know who didnt do that? The Biden administration. Because they were weak and inept.

No, it was paused for a month while they work out the details of the agreement.

 

[fatpiggy]

No, it was paused for a month while they work out the details of the agreement.

And they will IMMEDIATELY send 10,000 to the border.

That is called winning.

 

[uuuuuuuuuuuuuuu]

Ok setting aside arguments on whether tariffs are good or bad etc, I’m curious what exactly the tariffs on Canada are trying to get accomplished.

The President says that the tariffs are designed to get the border secured and to stop drugs from coming into the country, and if you take that at its face value then maybe tariffs on Mexico make some sense, but I don’t understand the tariffs on Canada.

What specific actions is the President wanting to see from Canada (and Mexico too) that would lead him to determine that the tariffs can be removed?

The President has talked about tariffs as an effective way to get other countries to do something the US wants them to do, but it’s unclear to me what he’s wanting from Canada, so to me these tariffs feel awfully arbitrary and are creating tensions and a trade war with a country that should be our closest ally and it feels like this will only hurt citizens in both countries.

Looking for serious responses here, please and thank you.

Genuine question id like to know: If a Chinese export goes through Canada (or Mexico) first, is it hit with a Chinese export tariff? I would imagine we’re smart enough to note the country of production, but who knows.

If that is a way around tariffs, you don’t have a choice but to place tariffs on Canada if you plan on raising them for a bunch of other countries too (which I assume to be the case).

I’ve made a couple comments in support of the trade deficit, so I’m not a tariff fan

 

[WapPride]

And they will IMMEDIATELY send 10,000 to the border.

That is called winning.

Foreign army amassing on our border - winning.

Joking aside, this happens every few years. Mexico sends troops up to the border to assist with repelling border crossing, then after a bit of time they end up leaving. It happened in 2019 and 2021 - it's nothing new.

We going to comment on Sheinbaum getting Trump to bend the knee about arms trafficking into Mexico from the US?

 

[WapPride]

Genuine question id like to know: If a Chinese export goes through Canada (or Mexico) first, is it hit with a Chinese export tariff? I would imagine we’re smart enough to note the country of production, but who knows.

If that is a way around tariffs, you don’t have a choice but to place tariffs on Canada if you plan on raising them for a bunch of other countries too (which I assume to be the case).

I’ve made a couple comments in support of the trade deficit, so I’m not a tariff fan

Assuming it's not being modified in Mexico/Canada/insert any other country, and is just passing through due to logistics reasons, then yes they'd pay the Chinese tariff. If it's stopping off in Mexico/Canada/etc to be assembled/disassembled/modified/etc then it will pay whatever that country's tariff is upon being exported to the US.

At least that's what my old roommate said who works in international freight - i had the same question.

 

[scotchtiger]

Assuming it's not being modified in Mexico/Canada/insert any other country, and is just passing through due to logistics reasons, then yes they'd pay the Chinese tariff. If it's stopping off in Mexico/Canada/etc to be assembled/disassembled/modified/etc then it will pay whatever that country's tariff is upon being exported to the US.

At least that's what my old roommate said who works in international freight - i had the same question.

Sounds right. We do something similar with a device that is primarily manufactured in China, but then modified in an EU country.

 

[fatpiggy]

Genuine question id like to know: If a Chinese export goes through Canada (or Mexico) first, is it hit with a Chinese export tariff? I would imagine we’re smart enough to note the country of production, but who knows.

If that is a way around tariffs, you don’t have a choice but to place tariffs on Canada if you plan on raising them for a bunch of other countries too (which I assume to be the case).

I’ve made a couple comments in support of the trade deficit, so I’m not a tariff fan

In your scenario the items from china would still, in theory, be tariffed. But no one is naive to think that we catch all instances of that. Look no further than the DeepSeek drama last week. It's highly likely China was still getting NVDA chips through Singapore despite our export ban.

 

[TigerRagRob]

This is such a terrible tweet. She is a Bishop in the Episcopal Church. She doesn't run the ministries.

I love getting butthurt over a Christian asking someone to be kind to the poor and weak. Such a novel idea for a Christian.

She is a fraud just like you...

 

[dpic73]

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[WapPride]

She is a fraud just like you...

What part of Jesus' teachings that she spoke about did you find fraudulent?

 

[yoshi121374]

She is a fraud just like you...

Now back that up. What makes her a fraud?

 

[TigerRagRob]

 

[TigerRagRob]

Fact check:

 

[dpic73]

Who doesn't love turning our closest friends into enemies?

 

[willydee1]

And they will IMMEDIATELY send 10,000 to the border.

That is called winning.

They do that all the time. Honestly, it's completely meaningless.

 

[wrw311]

They do that all the time. Honestly, it's completely meaningless.

Yea I'm not sure why there's an opinion that 10k troops from Mexico to the boarder has any significance at all. Most people I see hyping this are generally the same people convinced that the Mexican government is corrupted by the cartels anyway, so this really means nothing at all to me.

 

[willydee1]

Yea I'm not sure why there's an opinion that 10k troops from Mexico to the boarder has any significance at all. Most people I see hyping this are generally the same people convinced that the Mexican government is corrupted by the cartels anyway, so this really means nothing at all to me.

This whole thing is utterly ridiculous. At best, President Trumps get a few meaningless talking points to pitch to his base. At worst, he manages to destabilize the world economy.

There just isn't a home anywhere for good old fashioned fiscal conservatism.