Seriously, how can anyone support this?
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No, I’m suggesting it’s common knowledge what the tatoos represent
I just trust the experts. The ones that run the prisons. Isn’t that how it works? Trust the experts? Am I doing this right?
We don’t think that the head of El Salvador prisons know what those tatoos mean? Or is it “according to MAGA?”
Not surprising. Coming front the party of Jim Clyburn. He said he didn’t notice Bidens decline one time.
Trust is at an all time low in media.
You do the math.
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LOL, then let's ask the experts
Experts have cast significant doubt on claims that Kilmar Abrego Garcia’s knuckle tattoos—a marijuana leaf, a smiley face with X’s for eyes, a cross, and a skull—indicate MS-13 gang membership. Here’s a summary of their views based on available information:
- Lack of Clear MS-13 Connection: Gang experts, including Roberto Lovato, an assistant professor at the University of Nevada, Las Vegas, and David Kennedy, a professor at John Jay College of Criminal Justice, argue that the tattoos do not align with known MS-13 iconography. MS-13 members typically use explicit symbols like the letters “MS,” “13,” or devil horns, often in Gothic script, rather than metaphorical or coded symbols like those on Garcia’s hand. Lovato, who has spoken to current gang members, stated that they do not believe these tattoos represent MS-13.
- Common Tattoo Symbolism: Experts note that the symbols Garcia has are widely used in mainstream tattoo culture and not exclusive to gangs. Marijuana leaves, smiley faces, crosses, and skulls are popular designs that do not inherently signify gang affiliation. Kennedy emphasized that symbols like crowns, pitchforks, or teardrops are more typical gang signifiers, and without specific context, Garcia’s tattoos cannot be confidently linked to MS-13.
- Skepticism About Interpretation: The Trump administration’s claim that the tattoos represent “M” (marijuana leaf), “S” (smiley face), “1” (cross), and “3” (skull) has been widely criticized. An ICE source told The New York Post they had “never heard of those resemblances being made,” and no law enforcement guidelines or manuals confirm these symbols as MS-13 identifiers. Experts like Charles Katz and Liliana Castañeda Rossmann also urged caution, noting that such interpretations are speculative and not supported by evidence.
- Contextual Issues: Maya Barak, an associate professor at the University of Michigan-Dearborn, acknowledged that MS-13 members sometimes use tattoos with “M,” “S,” “1,” or “3,” but Garcia’s specific combination is not recognized as gang-related. A community activist with 25 years of experience working with gang members told CBS News they had never seen tattoos like Garcia’s linked to MS-13. Additionally, the absence of a “13” tattoo, which is considered mandatory for MS-13 members, further weakens the claim.
- Altered Image Concerns: The image shared by President Trump, which included “MS-13” text above the tattoos, was confirmed to be digitally altered, adding labels to suggest a gang link. Experts and fact-checkers, including Snopes and PolitiFact, noted that this alteration misleads viewers into believing the tattoos explicitly spell out “MS-13,” which they do not. This has fueled skepticism about the administration’s narrative.
- Alternative Claims: Some reports mention other tattoos on Garcia, such as a “see no evil” motif (skulls with covered eyes, ears, and mouths) or a devil with horns, cited in an ICE arrest report as signs of MS-13 seniority. However, these claims are not corroborated by visual evidence in the knuckle tattoo images and are also disputed by experts who argue that tattoos alone are insufficient to prove gang membership.
Soto, now married to Garcia, denies MS-13 allegations. Public records show no support for the narrative.
Keep digging.
It’s ok I’m sure the Maryland wife beater is a great person.
Maybe Obama will install him as the next candidate of the Democratic Party.
This is just the worst logic so congrats, you win. I’ll be done. Respect lost. I know you’re smarter than this, so only left with one conclusion. Hope you have a good one.
If you think those tattoos look authentic and not photoshopped you are dumber than I thought.
Remember, this is the same dude who drew on a poster with a freaking sharpie because he couldn't stand to be wrong, and he knew his dumbass followers would believe anything.
The fact that you think that this somehow made Trump look good is hilarious.
He can do no wrong in their eyes. It’s quite literally a cult.
ITS HAPPENING!!!
The stage must be set.
Yesterday The White House released an Executive Order: STRENGTHENING AND
UNLEASHING AMERICA'S LAW ENFORCEMENT TO PURSUE CRIMINALS AND PROTECT INNOCENT CITIZENS.
The order states within 90 days The Attorney General and The Secretary of Defense shall:
"increase the provision of excess military and national security assets in local jurisdictions to assist State and local law enforcement."
and:
"shall determine how military and
national security assets, training, non-lethal capabilities, and personnel can most effectively be utilized to prevent crime."
and:
They will hold State and Local Officials Accountable "for those that willfully and unlawfully direct the obstruction of criminal law, including by directly and unlawfully prohibiting law enforcement officers from carrying out duties necessary for public safety and law enforcement."
My take on this is that this is Trump and the WHs setting the stage for what is coming. They are dotting the i's and crossing the t's so no one can say the storm was not carried out legally. It will all be done by the book under the rule of law. This is another huge step forward bringing us closer to the justice phase...
The stage must be set.
Yesterday The White House released an Executive Order: STRENGTHENING AND
UNLEASHING AMERICA'S LAW ENFORCEMENT TO PURSUE CRIMINALS AND PROTECT INNOCENT CITIZENS.
The order states within 90 days The Attorney General and The Secretary of Defense shall:
"increase the provision of excess military and national security assets in local jurisdictions to assist State and local law enforcement."
and:
"shall determine how military and
national security assets, training, non-lethal capabilities, and personnel can most effectively be utilized to prevent crime."
and:
They will hold State and Local Officials Accountable "for those that willfully and unlawfully direct the obstruction of criminal law, including by directly and unlawfully prohibiting law enforcement officers from carrying out duties necessary for public safety and law enforcement."
My take on this is that this is Trump and the WHs setting the stage for what is coming. They are dotting the i's and crossing the t's so no one can say the storm was not carried out legally. It will all be done by the book under the rule of law. This is another huge step forward bringing us closer to the justice phase...
"Apologies for the length of this post, but this is something important that needs to be said.
Wondering what it looks like to test and normalize martial law? Just read Trump’s executive order titled “Strengthening and Unleashing America’s Law Enforcement to Pursue Criminals and Protect Innocent Citizens.” Sounds great, right? Protect the innocent. But it’s a terrifying document. It empowers local law enforcement to use aggressive, unchecked tactics and when they cross the line, the big law firms that caved to political pressure will represent them pro bono.
You might wonder what those tactics include. Let’s help you out, these are the kinds of strategies already being used or encouraged:
- No-knock raids: Military-style forced entries into homes, often at night, without warning, even for minor offenses.
- Expanded surveillance: Loosened restrictions on monitoring protests, online activity, and private gatherings, often without warrants.
- Deployment of federal agents in cities: Unmarked officers detaining protestors with no local oversight, as seen during the Portland crackdowns.
- Qualified immunity protections: Strengthening legal shields that make it nearly impossible to hold officers accountable in court.
- Mass arrests and curfews: Blanket curfews and preemptive detentions during public demonstrations.
- Militarization of local police: Encouraging departments to arm up with military-grade weapons, drones, and armored vehicles.
- Pro bono legal defense: Politically aligned law firms stepping in to defend officers accused of misconduct, at no cost.
- Suppression of dissent: Labeling protestors as “domestic threats” to justify crackdowns on speech, assembly, and press.
Now, these tactics aren’t just hypothetical. They’re not “going to be” used, they already have been. Trump sent federal agents in unmarked vans to snatch protesters off the streets in Portland. He’s deployed military-style force to clear peaceful demonstrators, expanded surveillance during protests, empowered ICE to enter homes without warrants, and just signed an order ensuring cops accused of brutality get free legal help from major firms. This isn’t a warning it’s a description.
It won't be long before their citizens will have more freedoms.
You truly don't see any concerns with the Federal Government doing this?
What if this had been a Biden Admin? Or even scarier to you, Obama!!!!
What he's actually saying is this,
"Boy did we **** up, and we are begging businesses to bail our dumbasses out."
Loser mentality and a lack of understanding of business incentives.
You mean the ones who deny it means MS13. Not the Tom Homan bully boys, but the actual gang experts. There are clear tattoos that demonstrate MS13 affiliation, but this isn’t one.
Of course they know it. Just like Trump said in the interview. All it would take is a phone call and he could have him back here in a few hours. It’s a choice to violate the constitution. It’s deliberate and it’s done to tear down the fabric of our democracy.
🇺🇸 JD VANCE: IF THE PRESIDENT CAN’T DEPORT ILLEGAL CRIMINALS, “HE’S NOT ALLOWED TO BE PRESIDENT”
"The judge doesn’t decide if the Alien Enemies Act applies—the President does.
Biden let in millions, and now we’re being blocked from deporting them.
If you tell the President he can’t deport illegal criminals, you’re saying he can’t be President.
We reject that, and so will the Supreme Court.
We were elected to fix this, and we will."
Source: @BretBaier @JDVance
Incredibly disappointing.
www.nature.com
Exclusive: NSF stops awarding new grants and funding existing ones
US science funder also plans to screen grant applications for compliance with ‘agency priorities’.
www.nature.com
Incredibly disappointing.
Exclusive: NSF stops awarding new grants and funding existing ones
US science funder also plans to screen grant applications for compliance with ‘agency priorities’.
Science is woke.
