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Thank goodness for these two. Could save us from some extreme policies being adopted the next two years. Glad Biden is on board as well.

In a statement released late Monday, the Kentucky Republican said his concerns about the filibuster rule, which requires 60 votes for most legislation to advance, had been assuaged by comments from Democratic Sens. Kyrsten Sinema and Joe Manchin reaffirming their opposition to its elimination.

President Biden, who served 36 years in the Senate, said during his presidential campaign that he would prefer to preserve the filibuster, unless GOP resistance to his legislative agenda made eliminating it necessary. Asked Friday whether Mr. Biden still opposes eliminating the filibuster, White House press secretary Jen Psaki said: “The president’s position hasn’t changed.”


 
This is why I was literally laughing out loud at people who were losing their shit when Biden was elected and dems won control of the senate.

Pretty sure you don't have to worry about the democratic senator from West Virginia voting for anything too "crazy."
 
Thank goodness for these two. Could save us from some extreme policies being adopted the next two years. Glad Biden is on board as well.

In a statement released late Monday, the Kentucky Republican said his concerns about the filibuster rule, which requires 60 votes for most legislation to advance, had been assuaged by comments from Democratic Sens. Kyrsten Sinema and Joe Manchin reaffirming their opposition to its elimination.

President Biden, who served 36 years in the Senate, said during his presidential campaign that he would prefer to preserve the filibuster, unless GOP resistance to his legislative agenda made eliminating it necessary. Asked Friday whether Mr. Biden still opposes eliminating the filibuster, White House press secretary Jen Psaki said: “The president’s position hasn’t changed.”



and just think... they dont even have to worry about the President tweeting about what losers they are so that end up getting death threats.
 
Thank goodness for these two. Could save us from some extreme policies being adopted the next two years. Glad Biden is on board as well.

In a statement released late Monday, the Kentucky Republican said his concerns about the filibuster rule, which requires 60 votes for most legislation to advance, had been assuaged by comments from Democratic Sens. Kyrsten Sinema and Joe Manchin reaffirming their opposition to its elimination.

President Biden, who served 36 years in the Senate, said during his presidential campaign that he would prefer to preserve the filibuster, unless GOP resistance to his legislative agenda made eliminating it necessary. Asked Friday whether Mr. Biden still opposes eliminating the filibuster, White House press secretary Jen Psaki said: “The president’s position hasn’t changed.”




Thanks again for being level headed,rational,and willing to debate like an adult. It's incredibly refreshing compared to some other posters on here.
 
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Goddamnit NO. And no one has forced me to go to the reeducation camps or change my sons' gender. And no means of production have yet been seized. I don't understand why Biden hasn't gotten all of this done yet. Very disappointing.

I notice you didn't mention the BONDAGE. You are bound right now aren't you? Damn those New World Order people AND their fuzzy handcuffs!!!!
 
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Goddamnit NO. And no one has forced me to go to the reeducation camps or change my sons' gender. And no means of production have yet been seized. I don't understand why Biden hasn't gotten all of this done yet. Very disappointing.
I notice you didn't mention the BONDAGE. You are bound right now aren't you? Damn those New World Order people AND their fuzzy handcuffs!!!!

My son in only 4.5, but there’s no doubting his gender... Not even the most adamant SJW would be able to beat the alpha male out of him.

Seriously though, I’m not worried about gender or bondage. I’m worried about real topics that real democrats really support:

-Big entitlements that are unsustainable without drastic revenue adjustments and also encourage poor behavior
-Government dependence vs. personal responsibility
-Taking even more money from my family to pay for programs that I don’t support
-Economic suffocation via burdensome taxes, unnecessary regulation, etc
-Bizarre logic that suggests a family that worked their ass off to pay for college should somehow take food off their table to pay for someone else’s student loan that they voluntarily accepted
-Stifling innovation by restricting the uncapped potential that should be realized in a capitalist society for delivering novel goods that advance our society (ex. Healthcare)

Anyways, I hope these moderate dems are able to protect/rescue us from the insanity.
 
My son in only 4.5, but there’s no doubting his gender... Not even the most adamant SJW would be able to beat the alpha male out of him.

Seriously though, I’m not worried about gender or bondage. I’m worried about real topics that real democrats really support:

-Big entitlements that are unsustainable without drastic revenue adjustments and also encourage poor behavior
-Government dependence vs. personal responsibility
-Taking even more money from my family to pay for programs that I don’t support
-Economic suffocation via burdensome taxes, unnecessary regulation, etc
-Bizarre logic that suggests a family that worked their ass off to pay for college should somehow take food off their table to pay for someone else’s student loan that they voluntarily accepted
-Stifling innovation by restricting the uncapped potential that should be realized in a capitalist society for delivering novel goods that advance our society (ex. Healthcare)

Anyways, I hope these moderate dems are able to protect/rescue us from the insanity.

I think that moderates (on both sides of the aisle) can protect/rescue us from insanity. I'm a moderate myself. I believe in capitalism for sure. Socialism pulls everything to the mean while capitalism allows for excellence and rewards it.
There's a middle ground to be walked here. We are the richest country in the world.
We can have capitalism AND we can figure out a way to provide healthcare to people who can't afford private insurance. For someone who doesn't have a good job with benefits, getting really sick or being in a bad accident puts you in a financial hole that you can NEVER climb out of. We can do better than that.
There's a middle road for taxes as well. Tax enough... I don't know what that is, but there HAS to be a place in there where people pay for Government services at a rate that still allows for growth. I have no problem with someone being stinking rich. But stinking rich people use a ton more resources than I do and they should pay a ton more taxes. There's a sweet spot there somewhere.
As for energy, ditto. I'm not a green new dealer, but I also think that relying on fossil fuels is just plain stupid as a long term strategy. It's dirty, hurts the planet, and above all, is finite. We're going to run out at some point. Is pumping/mining stuff out of the ground and setting it on fire REALLY the best we can do here? It's a fact that the earth is hit with enough sunlight every few minutes to power the planet for a year. It's figuratively raining soup... We just need a bowl and spoon.
 
I think that moderates (on both sides of the aisle) can protect/rescue us from insanity. I'm a moderate myself. I believe in capitalism for sure. Socialism pulls everything to the mean while capitalism allows for excellence and rewards it.
There's a middle ground to be walked here. We are the richest country in the world.
We can have capitalism AND we can figure out a way to provide healthcare to people who can't afford private insurance. For someone who doesn't have a good job with benefits, getting really sick or being in a bad accident puts you in a financial hole that you can NEVER climb out of. We can do better than that.
There's a middle road for taxes as well. Tax enough... I don't know what that is, but there HAS to be a place in there where people pay for Government services at a rate that still allows for growth. I have no problem with someone being stinking rich. But stinking rich people use a ton more resources than I do and they should pay a ton more taxes. There's a sweet spot there somewhere.
As for energy, ditto. I'm not a green new dealer, but I also think that relying on fossil fuels is just plain stupid as a long term strategy. It's dirty, hurts the planet, and above all, is finite. We're going to run out at some point. Is pumping/mining stuff out of the ground and setting it on fire REALLY the best we can do here? It's a fact that the earth is hit with enough sunlight every few minutes to power the planet for a year. It's figuratively raining soup... We just need a bowl and spoon.

I consider myself a moderate as well and agree on several of these issues. Energy is a frustrating one because there's a pretty obvious middle ground that we should all pursue.

On healthcare, we already have Medicaid, the ACA and subsidies. If you are poor, you get free healthcare via Medicaid and CHIP. If you are lower income, you get subsidies that pay for all or part of your ACA health insurance. So we are already providing health insurance.

I don't disagree that we need to reform some elements of healthcare. But asking people like me to pay even more for it or racking up more debt isn't the answer. We need to address the root causes - unnecessary cost, population health, etc. Premiums are lower and more affordable as costs go down. Same as population health improves. Start there.

We also don't do anything to incentivize good health. A lazy person that eats big macs all day should not pay the same premium as a fit person who tries to eat healthy and exercise. There needs to be some accountability in our cost structure. I'm all for covering unpreventable preexisting conditions, but fatness and laziness and resulting complications don't qualify. Take responsibility for yourself.

On taxes, what do you consider filthy rich? I'm not filthy rich, but the last two democrat presidents have targeted people in my demo. I don't use "a ton more resources" than anyone else, but I face the full brunt of the federal marginal tax rates and lose most deductions. I use no government entitlement programs, no public transportation, no subsidies, no stimulus, will get a reduced SS, etc. I'm a cheap date for the feds, but pay through the nose.

My absolute biggest problem with democrats and taxes is they talk about the "filthy rich," the wall street billionaires, Warren Buffet paying a lower rate than his secretary and similar language to paint a picture of evil, rich tycoons unfairly hoarding piles of money.

...Then they raise taxes on hard-working families like mine.

If the filthy rich are the issue, why are all of the tax tiers set below $1M? I would be open to a structure that expanded the tiers, relieved some pressure on the upper working class and shifted some cost to the actual "filthy rich."

If the republicans were smart, they would have addressed this in their tax reform bill. By lowering the the top rate, it gave Dems ammo to talk about how they were looking out for the rich. They should have thrown in a 40% rate on income above $10M or something.
 
I consider myself a moderate as well and agree on several of these issues. Energy is a frustrating one because there's a pretty obvious middle ground that we should all pursue.

On healthcare, we already have Medicaid, the ACA and subsidies. If you are poor, you get free healthcare via Medicaid and CHIP. If you are lower income, you get subsidies that pay for all or part of your ACA health insurance. So we are already providing health insurance.

I don't disagree that we need to reform some elements of healthcare. But asking people like me to pay even more for it or racking up more debt isn't the answer. We need to address the root causes - unnecessary cost, population health, etc. Premiums are lower and more affordable as costs go down. Same as population health improves. Start there.

We also don't do anything to incentivize good health. A lazy person that eats big macs all day should not pay the same premium as a fit person who tries to eat healthy and exercise. There needs to be some accountability in our cost structure. I'm all for covering unpreventable preexisting conditions, but fatness and laziness and resulting complications don't qualify. Take responsibility for yourself.

On taxes, what do you consider filthy rich? I'm not filthy rich, but the last two democrat presidents have targeted people in my demo. I don't use "a ton more resources" than anyone else, but I face the full brunt of the federal marginal tax rates and lose most deductions. I use no government entitlement programs, no public transportation, no subsidies, no stimulus, will get a reduced SS, etc. I'm a cheap date for the feds, but pay through the nose.

My absolute biggest problem with democrats and taxes is they talk about the "filthy rich," the wall street billionaires, Warren Buffet paying a lower rate than his secretary and similar language to paint a picture of evil, rich tycoons unfairly hoarding piles of money.

...Then they raise taxes on hard-working families like mine.

If the filthy rich are the issue, why are all of the tax tiers set below $1M? I would be open to a structure that expanded the tiers, relieved some pressure on the upper working class and shifted some cost to the actual "filthy rich."

If the republicans were smart, they would have addressed this in their tax reform bill. By lowering the the top rate, it gave Dems ammo to talk about how they were looking out for the rich. They should have thrown in a 40% rate on income above $10M or something.

THIS is actually a macrocosm of what's wrong with our country. Based on our postings here, you and I are pretty far apart politically, but with just a post or two, we see that we have a TON more in common than we do differences. On the taxes part, your point is well taken. We do need to find that sweet spot between the really rich and the well off. They aren't the same.

I have no problem with helping folks that don't have a lot AND holding them accountable at the same time. There's no excuse for a healthy Adult in this country NOT to be working and doing their share. There's no excuse for not having good options for healthcare for all of our citizens.
 
THIS is actually a macrocosm of what's wrong with our country. Based on our postings here, you and I are pretty far apart politically, but with just a post or two, we see that we have a TON more in common than we do differences. On the taxes part, your point is well taken. We do need to find that sweet spot between the really rich and the well off. They aren't the same.

I have no problem with helping folks that don't have a lot AND holding them accountable at the same time. There's no excuse for a healthy Adult in this country NOT to be working and doing their share. There's no excuse for not having good options for healthcare for all of our citizens.


Exactly what I've been saying. We have so much more in common and it really shouldn't be hard to find compromise that we all can live with. This all or nothing legislating is really hurting America. The low information voter eats the sound bites up and it just kills the middle.
 
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THIS is actually a macrocosm of what's wrong with our country. Based on our postings here, you and I are pretty far apart politically, but with just a post or two, we see that we have a TON more in common than we do differences. On the taxes part, your point is well taken. We do need to find that sweet spot between the really rich and the well off. They aren't the same.

I have no problem with helping folks that don't have a lot AND holding them accountable at the same time. There's no excuse for a healthy Adult in this country NOT to be working and doing their share. There's no excuse for not having good options for healthcare for all of our citizens.

Exactly what I've been saying. We have so much more in common and it really shouldn't be hard to find compromise that we all can live with. This all or nothing legislating is really hurting America. The low information voter eats the sound bites up and it just kills the middle.

Yep, this is what I mean by hyperpartisanship. It's one side vs. the other rather than logical, common sense solutions.

My position is just that those logical, common sense solutions need to be rooted in basic themes like personal responsibility, limited government involvement and individuals retaining the vast majority of what they earn.
 
We also don't do anything to incentivize good health. A lazy person that eats big macs all day should not pay the same premium as a fit person who tries to eat healthy and exercise. There needs to be some accountability in our cost structure. I'm all for covering unpreventable preexisting conditions, but fatness and laziness and resulting complications don't qualify. Take responsibility for yourself.

It would be nice if we could get Republicans on board when we've tried to address the obesity crisis


 
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Yep, this is what I mean by hyperpartisanship. It's one side vs. the other rather than logical, common sense solutions.

My position is just that those logical, common sense solutions need to be rooted in basic themes like personal responsibility, limited government involvement and individuals retaining the vast majority of what they earn.

I agree... I also think that there should be some sort of LIMITED social safety net. Take the coal industry for example. It's on the way out. Green energy aside, there's not much coal can do that natural gas can't do better, cheaper, and cleaner. But there's a whole culture built in this country b/c of our need for coal for the past century plus. And now those folks who have busted their asses for generations to help build this country are totally screwed. I have no problem with some of my tax money going to help these folks... whether that's retraining, education, whatever, to help them switch gears.
 
It would be nice if we could get Republicans on board when we've tried to address the obesity crisis



That's one side of it. We also need to fix the parents. We shouldn't rely completely on the government or school lunches to fix our kids' eating habits or teach them to lead an active lifestyle.

And nutrition and personal finance both need to be required courses to complete high school. They should also be required courses (available at a local community college) to receive a single penny from entitlement programs, including Medicaid or ACA subsidies.

We should also restrict what food stamps can purchase.
 
That's one side of it. We also need to fix the parents. We shouldn't rely completely on the government or school lunches to fix our kids' eating habits or teach them to lead an active lifestyle.

And nutrition and personal finance both need to be required courses to complete high school. They should also be required courses (available at a local community college) to receive a single penny from entitlement programs, including Medicaid or ACA subsidies.

We should also restrict what food stamps can purchase.

I can sign off on most of that, but since we have no control over what parents teach their kids, we shouldn't limit their options for good nutrition in the schools. For many, that may be the only way they get a wide variety of fruits and vegetables and studies have shown, when given better options, kids are curious enough to experiment with unfamiliar foods. And that can create habits which lead to better health and improved academic performance, based on studies that show a correlation between nutrition and brain health.
 
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I can sign off on most of that, but since we have no control over what parents teach their kids, we shouldn't limit their options for good nutrition in the schools. For many, that may be the only way they get a wide variety of fruits and vegetables and studies have shown, when given better options, kids are curious enough to experiment with unfamiliar foods. And that can create habits which lead to better health and improved academic performance, based on studies that show a correlation between nutrition and brain health.

I agree. Here's a combined proposal:

  • Improve nutrition in schools
  • Nutrition classes - one in middle school and one in high school
  • Higher premiums - including in ACA plans - if you don't take care of yourself. Lower premiums for fit, active people. Your premium should reflect your claims risk, to the extent the factors are within your control (ex. smoking, obesity, etc are within your control, cancer is not).
  • Food stamps can't buy junk food
  • Mandatory nutrition class at local tech school if you want to collect handouts (adult nutrition awareness is a huge problem)
  • Improve access to quality food in lower income areas with public/private partnerships
  • Structure the plan to be revenue neutral/positive over a <10 year period (ie school lunch and food access may cost more, but ensure offset with CHIP, SNAP, Medicaid, etc phased reductions).

There are some wins in there for both sides, people should be healthier, people should be more accountable, healthcare costs should come down.
 
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I agree. Here's a combined proposal:

  • Improve nutrition in schools
  • Nutrition classes - one in middle school and one in high school
  • Higher premiums - including in ACA plans - if you don't take care of yourself. Lower premiums for fit, active people. Your premium should reflect your claims risk, to the extent the factors are within your control (ex. smoking, obesity, etc are within your control, cancer is not).
  • Food stamps can't buy junk food
  • Mandatory nutrition class at local tech school if you want to collect handouts (adult nutrition awareness is a huge problem)
  • Improve access to quality food in lower income areas with public/private partnerships
  • Structure the plan to be revenue neutral/positive over a <10 year period (ie school lunch and food access may cost more, but ensure offset with CHIP, SNAP, Medicaid, etc phased reductions).

There are some wins in there for both sides, people should be healthier, people should be more accountable, healthcare costs should come down.

I agree with all of this. We have to get people to understand that more food cost on the front end, will lead to much lower cost medical costs as well as a much better quality of life on the back end.
 
I agree. Here's a combined proposal:

  • Improve nutrition in schools
  • Nutrition classes - one in middle school and one in high school
  • Higher premiums - including in ACA plans - if you don't take care of yourself. Lower premiums for fit, active people. Your premium should reflect your claims risk, to the extent the factors are within your control (ex. smoking, obesity, etc are within your control, cancer is not).
  • Food stamps can't buy junk food
  • Mandatory nutrition class at local tech school if you want to collect handouts (adult nutrition awareness is a huge problem)
  • Improve access to quality food in lower income areas with public/private partnerships
  • Structure the plan to be revenue neutral/positive over a <10 year period (ie school lunch and food access may cost more, but ensure offset with CHIP, SNAP, Medicaid, etc phased reductions).

There are some wins in there for both sides, people should be healthier, people should be more accountable, healthcare costs should come down.

Bravo! You're hired. Seriously, this is great and shows that we can meet in the middle.
 
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I agree with all of this. We have to get people to understand that more food cost on the front end, will lead to much lower cost medical costs as well as a much better quality of life on the back end.
Bravo! You're hired. Seriously, this is great and shows that we can meet in the middle.

Why is it so hard for politicians to come up with simple logical stuff like this? And why do we let weirdos on the fringe influence policy?

On the pub side, you would have morons saying stuff like, "who is the government to tell my kids they can't eat pudding and pizza every day!?!?!" Well, dumbass, they aren't. They just aren't supplying it every day and are offering healthier options instead. You can inject ice cream into their veins at home if that's how you want to run your camp.

On the dem side, limiting food stamp options, charging lazy fats higher premiums and making someone show up for a nutrition class to receive free stuff would all be seen as mean-spirited, "limiting access" or whatever. I imagine the proposal would be classified as racist somehow, too. But maybe the food access provision would offset that.
 
Why is it so hard for politicians to come up with simple logical stuff like this? And why do we let weirdos on the fringe influence policy?

On the pub side, you would have morons saying stuff like, "who is the government to tell my kids they can't eat pudding and pizza every day!?!?!" Well, dumbass, they aren't. They just aren't supplying it every day and are offering healthier options instead. You can inject ice cream into their veins at home if that's how you want to run your camp.

On the dem side, limiting food stamp options, charging lazy fats higher premiums and making someone show up for a nutrition class to receive free stuff would all be seen as mean-spirited, "limiting access" or whatever. I imagine the proposal would be classified as racist somehow, too. But maybe the food access provision would offset that.

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Here is why you can’t get politicians to agree. The most vociferous voters (those on the far left and far right) don’t want to have their elected officials compromise. And these voters are most likely to vote and provide $ to candidates.

Most Senators and Members of Congress don’t face serious competition in general elections but they can be knocked off in primary elections. So they hew to the far left or far right. Because most elected officials care more about being re-elected as opposed to passing legislation, they have no incentive to compromise.

It is a sad state of affairs but there is no evidence that term limits make any difference. Probably only incredible reform in every state in redrawing districts every 10 years might make a difference.
 
I agree. Here's a combined proposal:

  • Improve nutrition in schools
  • Nutrition classes - one in middle school and one in high school
  • Higher premiums - including in ACA plans - if you don't take care of yourself. Lower premiums for fit, active people. Your premium should reflect your claims risk, to the extent the factors are within your control (ex. smoking, obesity, etc are within your control, cancer is not).
  • Food stamps can't buy junk food
  • Mandatory nutrition class at local tech school if you want to collect handouts (adult nutrition awareness is a huge problem)
  • Improve access to quality food in lower income areas with public/private partnerships
  • Structure the plan to be revenue neutral/positive over a <10 year period (ie school lunch and food access may cost more, but ensure offset with CHIP, SNAP, Medicaid, etc phased reductions).

There are some wins in there for both sides, people should be healthier, people should be more accountable, healthcare costs should come down.
A big thing has to be a MASSIVE focus on changing food options in lower income areas. If all you see is fast food and liquor stores, you're probably won't make the greatest choices.

Whereas you go to a well off area, and the food options flip dramatically.

I know personal responsibility is a big thing for you but I'm glad to see you understand also the environment you are in has a big factor on your choices.
 
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A big thing has to be a MASSIVE focus on changing food options in lower income areas. If all you see is fast food and liquor stores, your probably won't make the greatest choices.

Whereas you go to an well off area, and the food options flip dramatically.

I know personal responsibility is a big thing for you but I'm glad to see you understand also the environment you are in has a big factor on your choices.


Food deserts in low income areas is a real factor.
 
A big thing has to be a MASSIVE focus on changing food options in lower income areas. If all you see is fast food and liquor stores, you're probably won't make the greatest choices.

Whereas you go to a well off area, and the food options flip dramatically.

I know personal responsibility is a big thing for you but I'm glad to see you understand also the environment you are in has a big factor on your choices.

Yes, agree. This is where you need a good public-private partnership structure to inject healthier options to lower income areas. It HAS to be private businesses that provide the food (and make money doing it) in order to create a self-sustaining model, but the government can help structure, incentivize and encourage.
 
Yes, agree. This is where you need a good public-private partnership structure to inject healthier options to lower income areas. It HAS to be private businesses that provide the food (and make money doing it) in order to create a self-sustaining model, but the government can help structure, incentivize and encourage.

This is what would be ideal. The amount of Type 2 Diabetes, High blood pressure, etc in the Low income community is a massive cost for our system. The investment up front would save our country huge money
 
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A big thing has to be a MASSIVE focus on changing food options in lower income areas. If all you see is fast food and liquor stores, you're probably won't make the greatest choices.

Whereas you go to a well off area, and the food options flip dramatically.

I know personal responsibility is a big thing for you but I'm glad to see you understand also the environment you are in has a big factor on your choices.

I think you have to ask yourself "why are there no healthy options in these areas?"

Is it lack of demand? My guess is that is at least part of it.

You can't force a company to open a business that won't be profitable.
 
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I think you have to ask yourself "why are there no healthy options in these areas?"

Is it lack of demand? My guess is that is at least part of it.

You can't force a company to open a business that won't be profitable.
Id like to hear what you think are other reasons for the lack of healthy options.
 
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This is an interesting option. They price the meals differently based on where it is sold. Basically they sell higher in rich areas to allow for lower pricing in the poor communities. This allows them to be profitable, but still service these communities.

It's going to take ventures like this,along with abln overhaul of the school lunch programs to do it. I don't know how many of us realize that many children get their only meals of the day at school. High carb foods are far cheaper and very filling,but they also create a sugar addiction that is very hard to overcome.


 
Id like to hear what you think are other reasons for the lack of healthy options.

I'd say lack of profitability is the main one.

If I own a restaurant and I know that I can't make money in a certain location (or I am not comfortable with the ability TO make money there), I'm not putting one there.
 
This is an interesting option. They price the meals differently based on where it is sold. Basically they sell higher in rich areas to allow for lower pricing in the poor communities. This allows them to be profitable, but still service these communities.

It's going to take ventures like this,along with abln overhaul of the school lunch programs to do it. I don't know how many of us realize that many children get their only meals of the day at school. High carb foods are far cheaper and very filling,but they also create a sugar addiction that is very hard to overcome.



It will be interesting to see how that business does. Honestly, the cynic in me can see a person from a "well off" community driving down to a location in a less well off area to save a few bucks. So the restaurants will have to place a premium on location - outside office buildings and work centers where time will be a factor.
 
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Thank goodness for these two. Could save us from some extreme policies being adopted the next two years. Glad Biden is on board as well.

In a statement released late Monday, the Kentucky Republican said his concerns about the filibuster rule, which requires 60 votes for most legislation to advance, had been assuaged by comments from Democratic Sens. Kyrsten Sinema and Joe Manchin reaffirming their opposition to its elimination.

President Biden, who served 36 years in the Senate, said during his presidential campaign that he would prefer to preserve the filibuster, unless GOP resistance to his legislative agenda made eliminating it necessary. Asked Friday whether Mr. Biden still opposes eliminating the filibuster, White House press secretary Jen Psaki said: “The president’s position hasn’t changed.”



Manchin is a very conservative Democrat. I could see him changing parties at some point except I think he is anti-Trump.

I don't blame him honestly. I lean Republican but would love for Trump to just go away. I don't want him to die or anything, just go away.

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Anyone had their guns taken away yet? Asking for a friend...

I am seeing some sort of buzz about a democrat gun control bill or something, but can't confirm it.

Not sure what it is about.

But the recent unrest due to the riots and COVID has turned a lot of people into gun owners that were not originally. There is a video out there of a bunch of young African-American guys protecting a business with assault rifles of different types - including a Kriss Vector - that's why I remember it. Well, that and the fact that some were trying to use it to get conservatives to go off about these guys to "show they are racist" - while most everyone was applauding them for protecting their homes (though it sucks that they had to do that).

I notice you didn't mention the BONDAGE. You are bound right now aren't you? Damn those New World Order people AND their fuzzy handcuffs!!!!

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