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South Carolina has reopened

the problem is not me. the problem is my 92 y.o. grandmother. she has no choice but to leave the house to get groceries doctor visits, etc. and for that matter my father is 72 and mother is 70 and both have prexisting conditions.

but i get it. they're old so we don't care about them anymore. at least it's not your family, right?
Have the groceries delivered, OR, since you're so concerned, deliver them yourself. Be sure to wear a mask. Or, is 33 million unemployed not enough for you??
As callous as this sounds, people are going to die. At this point, we have to move forward. Period.
 
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Testing is not a problem. I own a company in scar and all of my employees have been tested. My dad has 165 employees across the Southeast (mainly scar and NC) and he is doing the same. Got a test with no symptoms last week
This right here. Sadly, the testing excuse is being used as a political tool. SK and places like Germany are cited as examples. A large percentage of tests in SK were later discovered to be faulty. Both countries have chosen not to publicize many of their numbers choosing not to inspire panic and in my opinion it was a good choice. Its just unfortunate in that some can't get past the mirage that it created for them.

We cannot continue to print money, everyone has to go back to work. What we need is more like you and your dad.
 
I 1000% agree. I have a sister in law that is a hairdresser and she has made out like a bandit and has bragged about it.

She is getting like $800 a week in unemployment and got the PPP loan.
i'm not sure how she did that, but if she got the PPP loan AND is on unemployment, how can she be maintaining payroll? Unless she hired a bunch of other people. The loan may not be forgiveable.
 
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i'm not sure how she did that, but if she got the PPP loan AND is on unemployment, how can she be maintaining payroll? Unless she hired a bunch of other people. The loan may not be forgiveable.

Obviously I'm not reporting her but I did try to explain to my brother that only 8 weeks of payroll is forgivable.

Plus on unemployment it ask if you receive any funds that week.
 
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Testing is not a problem. I own a company in scar and all of my employees have been tested. My dad has 165 employees across the Southeast (mainly scar and NC) and he is doing the same. Got a test with no symptoms last week
I didn’t say they aren’t available, they just aren’t happening. To understand immunity and risk for everyone going forward you have to understand that. We have to do antibodies testing on far more than 2% and there is no plan for that. The most important questions can only be answered after the data exists. Will there be a second wave? Nobody can know right now and that’s a huge problem.
 
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My Mom is 90, my Dad 93.

He said at lunch yesterday that if they dont open this country back up the Great Depression he was born into will be a cakewalk to what's coming.

He is more worried about the future for his grand children than he is about himself.
That is the attitude of the Greatest Generation. God bless them!
 
Be easy on the liberals mentioning going back to normal. This is very hard fir them since they enjoy being miserable and want everyone else to be miserable. Liberals go back to clinging to your misery.
 
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the problem is not me. the problem is my 92 y.o. grandmother. she has no choice but to leave the house to get groceries doctor visits, etc. and for that matter my father is 72 and mother is 70 and both have prexisting conditions.

but i get it. they're old so we don't care about them anymore. at least it's not your family, right?

my 92 year old grandmother is being treated for depression due to being locked in a house for 7 weeks. She has developed a breathing issue due to the anxiety of being forced to stay inside we don’t think she makes it much longer and it’s all due to being on lockdown and no one visiting her but her caretaker.

Should we keep her locked inside and die?

You couldn’t force my 75 year old Dad to stay inside if you held a gun to his head.

Not taking anything away from your situation but saying things like we shouldn’t open because of my situation is foolish, there are other people that are losing their life due to be shut inside.
 
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the problem is that SC (nor any other state) has enough testing to know a dang thing outside of maybe RI and a few other small states.

currently, SC has tested about 1.7% of the state. those models that everyone was going crazy about being wrong were wrong because they had almost no data to go on. i will say it again so everyone understands me, i want the country to reopen just like everyone else. i want the states to have data that says it is OK to do so. a plan for what happens if the rates and deaths go back up. it's more about nobody doing a dang thing and expecting the virus to get better all on its own.

the reason SK, Germany, and others have had success is because of ability to get tests completed in a timely manner. they had/have plans about when they will reopen what and how that will happen. they have plans about quarantining areas that get hit hard after the reopening. currently the US has almost NONE of this. for almost anywhere.

in my opinion, it's not the quarantine that has people going crazy it's not having a plan to get out of it or having any confidence that once we get out we will be able to maintain it.

how is testing your end all be all? You make it seem like getting a test is a vaccine.
 
I didn’t say they aren’t available, they just aren’t happening. To understand immunity and risk for everyone going forward you have to understand that. We have to do antibodies testing on far more than 2% and there is no plan for that. The most important questions can only be answered after the data exists. Will there be a second wave? Nobody can know right now and that’s a huge problem.

There is no plan? You are out of touch and misinformed.
 
My mom is 86. Done beat cancer twice. Has had Parkinson's for the last 6 years and shingles on the left side of her head since August of 2018 and will not go away. She's still been going like usual to the grocery stores, pharmacy and other places.


Does she have any eligibility left? Maybe Coach Venables could use her
 
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We have dinner reservations at our favorite local restaurant tomorrow night. Tonight is their first night open. It's a very small place. Maybe 14 tables at full capacity. We expect no more than 6-8 tables at a time tomorrow evening.
Where is this?
 
The most important thing I've learned through all this is that many believe that everyone has a right to life, even fetuses...

UNLESS you are old and holding the economy back, in which case you should accept your fate and die off and let things open back up.

--Mr. DT
 
My biggest problem with this whole thing is people making more not working than working.

That should never have happened.

Someday this country is going to pay a terrible price for some of this stupidity.

My biggest worry is depression. Can't really go out and do anything, stuck at home all of the time with "doom and gloom" news coming in, and worried about losing your job because of the economy tanking. If you haven't already lost your job.

Oh - and depression leads to other issues, such as domestic violence, murder, etc.

Spiritual health for a lot of people is in the tank because they can't go to church. Church isn't really necessary for a relationship with God, but there is a good reason we gather every week.

I'm still working and I'm feeling the pressure from it. I've been kinda down for a few weeks now. Not feeling suicidal or anything (you guys won't get away from my shvtposts that easy) but it grates on you after a while. In full disclosure my area's had some other factors that I've talked about ad nauseam.

I think those factors are going to cause a worse problem than the virus. Much worse. Plus the public health issues associated with it (lack of exercise, sedentary lifestyle, etc).

Probably half the kids are getting a shvt education right now because their parents either can't help them or don't care. Saving grace for my kid is that my wife and I both do care - plus from what I can tell most of what they do is on the Chromebook nowadays anyway.

Plus - if we tank the economy, we lose the engine that lets us fight this thing.

We gotta be smart but we have to get some normalcy back.
 
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I understand the folks that want to reopen and get on with their lives ...I really do AND I even somewhat agree but the cavalier attitude some have ... I just don’t get. I have to assume that those people who have a nonchalant attitude about reopening are just bad at math.

Supporters of the “herd immunity” approach to this virus estimate that this would mean 60-70% of the US population would get infected with CV19. If you go conservative, 60% of 350M people is 210M. If you use the mortality rate from the Stanford study(a very positive study) of .14% that means 294,000 people will die.

Since we see folks throw out “99% of people recover and are fine”, ok let’s assume again 210M people (60% of the population, still being conservative) get sick with CV19. If the mortality rate is 1%, that means 2,100,000 will die.

2,813,503 US citizens died in 2019 not from Covid 19, and those figures don't include an additional 900,000 infanticides.

The virus is horrible, but the cure shouldn't be more damaging. Those at high risk should isolate, the rest should have the choice to return to normal.

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2,813,503 US citizens died in 2019 not from Covid 19, and those figures don't include an additional 900,000 infanticides.

The virus is horrible, but the cure shouldn't be more damaging. Those at high risk should isolate, the rest should have the choice to return to normal.

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I believe this (isolate the vunerable) is the best plan. Besides the aformentioned reasons, no matter what you do, you'll never get the entire population to isolate. People will find a way to avoid restrictions.

Go to a home improvement store over the weekend for example 1.
 
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There is no plan? You are out of touch and misinformed.

FYI - We are going live today with a Back2Business initiative funded by the State of South Carolina. The initiative is to provide mobile testing to all businesses and Colleges/Universities for every student/employee. I heard funding was in the 25 Million range and there maybe other facilities with similar statewide testing initiatives.
 
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