Suicides, The Deaths Not Counted

[BigTimeTiger]

2,618 Suicides today as of this post and 302122 in 2020 so far.

https://www.who.int/mental_health/prevention/suicide/suicideprevent/en/

WHO says there are close to 800,000 per year so:

800,000/365 = 2191 per day

How many do we have so far today? 2618 and we still have a few more hours to go. Load the link at 5 til midnight to get close to today’s numbers. Hint it’s increasing. Exponentially growing!

or 302,133/103 = 2933 per day which is much much worse!

or 2933 x 365 = 1,070,545 VS 800,000

that’s roughly a 25% increase!!! Or 61,000 more this current year 2020! It will kill many more than Covid-19 because it is just getting started as in 3/4 weeks old (economy shutdown) and Covid-19 is peaking (now 5 months old).

 

[Essolover4]

 

[BigTimeTiger]

My numbers are current according to YOUR source!
https://www.worldometers.info/

so let’s take this even further! 302,168 - 269,209 = 32,959 deaths in April so far

32,959/12=2746 per day

1,005,249 this year still a 25% increase

 

[Essolover4]

My numbers are current according to YOUR source!
https://www.worldometers.info/

Yes I am agreeing with you.

 

[dbjork6317]

My gosh. Just imagine how badly overpopulated the world (and the US) would be without all those abortions.

 

[BigTimeTiger]

Yes I am agreeing with you.

I got that! It is not being reported at all!! Call and ask a mental health worker tomorrow and tell me I’m wrong!!

 

[Essolover4]

My gosh. Just imagine how badly overpopulated the world (and the US) would be without all those abortions.

It’s pure evil. But whatever man. That’s China’s mindset. Perhaps you should relocate to Wuhan.

 

[BigTimeTiger]

My gosh. Just imagine how badly overpopulated the world (and the US) would be without all those abortions.

and old people! (am doing this right?) Euthanasia is a liberal thing too! However I wasn’t even discussing abortion. I was discussing something caused by Covid-19. AND not being cared about as proven by your post.

PS it wouldn’t be over populated in the US. Just less jobs for folks south of the border. And more people actually paying into our Social Security fund to take care of the old folks you care so dearly about.

 

[BigTimeTiger]

UPDATE as of this posting

2,682 suicides today

 

[TheTigersNest]

This board is becoming unreadable, @Cris_Ard.

 

[dbjork6317]

It’s pure evil. But whatever man. That’s China’s mindset. Perhaps you should relocate to Wuhan.

I’m 100% with you man. Let’s ban all abortion! Had we done that in 2002 that would mean there would be approximately 12 million more people under 18 in the US right now. About half of them would have been born to a mother living below the poverty line.

So...I’m agreeing. Let’s ban abortion, then increase spending on public schools so we can properly educate those kids. We’ll probably have to increase entitlements so that those single parents can afford to feed the kids and so that they can have some form of healthcare. Or hey, you know, they can keep going to the emergency room with no insurance and pass that burden onto us!

We also that even as those kids turn 18, statistically speaking, about half will become tax payers and the other half won’t and may actually need government assistance of their own. And as those public schools get more and more crowded we’ll certainly have to continue to increase spending there.

So, hey man, let’s do it. Let’s ban abortion and make sure we go full force into protecting the sanctity of these kids’ lives by making sure they can have as much success as possible. I just know that good people like you would have no problem putting their money where their pro-life stance is through tax increases.

 

[vatiger1]

Didnt know so many people still die from Aids every year.

 

[Essolover4]

I’m 100% with you man. Let’s ban all abortion! Had we done that in 2002 that would mean there would be approximately 12 million more people under 18 in the US right now. About half of them would have been born to a mother living below the poverty line.

So...I’m agreeing. Let’s ban abortion, then increase spending on public schools so we can properly educate those kids. We’ll probably have to increase entitlements so that those single parents can afford to feed the kids and so that they can have some form of healthcare. Or hey, you know, they can keep going to the emergency room with no insurance and pass that burden onto us!

We also that even as those kids turn 18, statistically speaking, about half will become tax payers and the other half won’t and may actually need government assistance of their own. And as those public schools get more and more crowded we’ll certainly have to continue to increase spending there.

So, hey man, let’s do it. Let’s ban abortion and make sure we go full force into protecting the sanctity of these kids’ lives by making sure they can have as much success as possible. I just know that good people like you would have no problem putting their money where their pro-life stance is through tax increases.

I don’t have the time or desire to get into an internet argument over the murder of the unborn . But man you have a warped mindset. Carry on

 

[DaTater]

This has been one of my bigger points when it comes to this shutdown. Nobody is talking about that side of the equation. It’s all about flattening the curve. Has to be a middle ground somewhere.

 

[BionicTiger]

I’m 100% with you man. Let’s ban all abortion! Had we done that in 2002 that would mean there would be approximately 12 million more people under 18 in the US right now. About half of them would have been born to a mother living below the poverty line.

So...I’m agreeing. Let’s ban abortion, then increase spending on public schools so we can properly educate those kids. We’ll probably have to increase entitlements so that those single parents can afford to feed the kids and so that they can have some form of healthcare. Or hey, you know, they can keep going to the emergency room with no insurance and pass that burden onto us!

We also that even as those kids turn 18, statistically speaking, about half will become tax payers and the other half won’t and may actually need government assistance of their own. And as those public schools get more and more crowded we’ll certainly have to continue to increase spending there.

So, hey man, let’s do it. Let’s ban abortion and make sure we go full force into protecting the sanctity of these kids’ lives by making sure they can have as much success as possible. I just know that good people like you would have no problem putting their money where their pro-life stance is through tax increases.

Or, people could be responsible and accountable for the decisions they make by not bringing children they can’t afford into the world, and/or have the common sense to take advantage of the myriad low cost birth control options available today.

 

[BAnksMcFadden]

I’m 100% with you man. Let’s ban all abortion! Had we done that in 2002 that would mean there would be approximately 12 million more people under 18 in the US right now. About half of them would have been born to a mother living below the poverty line.

So...I’m agreeing. Let’s ban abortion, then increase spending on public schools so we can properly educate those kids. We’ll probably have to increase entitlements so that those single parents can afford to feed the kids and so that they can have some form of healthcare. Or hey, you know, they can keep going to the emergency room with no insurance and pass that burden onto us!

We also that even as those kids turn 18, statistically speaking, about half will become tax payers and the other half won’t and may actually need government assistance of their own. And as those public schools get more and more crowded we’ll certainly have to continue to increase spending there.

So, hey man, let’s do it. Let’s ban abortion and make sure we go full force into protecting the sanctity of these kids’ lives by making sure they can have as much success as possible. I just know that good people like you would have no problem putting their money where their pro-life stance is through tax increases.

God damn this is the most simple minded response.

1. How many people would have a baby 5 years after the abortion willingly. You have to assume that actually having the original aborted baby would have a significant net negative impact on future births
2. there is roughly a 20% chance of miscarriage within the 1st trimester assuming the vast majority aren't late term abortions.
3.roughly 1 year of infertility after conception... No babies born to those mothers.

I mean I could go on and on. Yes they're would be more dependants in the US but simply multiplying abortions times years to account for adjusted population is damn near retarded

 

[jmh9713]

My gosh. Just imagine how badly overpopulated the world (and the US) would be without all those abortions.

Weird and awful flex. I mean really awful flex. Yikes

 

[dbjork6317]

Or, people could be responsible and accountable for the decisions they make by not bringing children they can’t afford into the world, and/or have the common sense to take advantage of the myriad low cost birth control options available today.

We should probably deal with the reality of human behavior rather than idealism based on whatever your personal morality is.

Although, if we were to create some sort of government mandated healthcare that required free birth control for all Americans, man that would probably really reduce abortions. Oh and hey, for the personal accountability aspect, we could levy a fine or tax on those who chose not to purchase a healthcare plan!

OR if we didn’t want to do that, maybe we could fund an organization that could provide such services to women in poverty...gosh I wonder what we could call it, they’re planning their families, planning how they want or don’t want to be parents...hmmm what could we call something that helps you plan for parenthood?

Are we willing to do those things so that we can cut down on abortions in the US? Are we willing to take on the cost burden that I mentioned previously that would result from millions more American children? Again I am 100% certain that you are perfectly willing to take on a higher tax burden if it means that all those kids are able to lead successful lives!

 

[thebooyaa]

We should probably deal with the reality of human behavior rather than idealism based on whatever your personal morality is.

Although, if we were to create some sort of government mandated healthcare that required free birth control for all Americans, man that would probably really reduce abortions. Oh and hey, for the personal accountability aspect, we could levy a fine or tax on those who chose not to purchase a healthcare plan!

OR if we didn’t want to do that, maybe we could fund an organization that could provide such services to women in poverty...gosh I wonder what we could call it, they’re planning their families, planning how they want or don’t want to be parents...hmmm what could we call something that helps you plan for parenthood?

Are we willing to do those things so that we can cut down on abortions in the US? Are we willing to take on the cost burden that I mentioned previously that would result from millions more American children? Again I am 100% certain that you are perfectly willing to take on a higher tax burden if it means that all those kids are able to lead successful lives!

quit showboating.....

 

[dbjork6317]

God damn this is the most simple minded response.

1. How many people would have a baby 5 years after the abortion willingly. You have to assume that actually having the original aborted baby would have a significant net negative impact on future births
2. there is roughly a 20% chance of miscarriage within the 1st trimester assuming the vast majority aren't late term abortions.
3.roughly 1 year of infertility after conception... No babies born to those mothers.

I mean I could go on and on. Yes they're would be more dependants in the US but simply multiplying abortions times years to account for adjusted population is damn near retarded

You’re right, great point. Also...there would probably be more deaths related to illegal abortions so that would also reduce some of the population burden.

 

[BAnksMcFadden]

You’re right, great point. Also...there would probably be more deaths related to illegal abortions so that would also reduce some of the population burden.

Well you can only control what you can control, so this is a moot point.

Additionally there is already free birth control available to every American

Seriously come with facts or logical arguments instead of theoretical emotional bullshit. That's why I'm a libertarian, both sides come with bullshit and can't prove a 1 fvcking logical thing they are arguing

 

[dbjork6317]

Well you can only control what you can control, so this is a moot point.

Lol and there it is...pro-life, but only to a point

 

[BAnksMcFadden]

Lol and there it is...pro-life, but only to a point

Please elaborate,

 

[dbjork6317]

Please elaborate,

Must stop abortions! Protect life! Women dying from botched abortion procedures...eh what can ya do

No emotional stuff here. I don’t really care enough about the abortion issue to be emotional about it. I find that those who consider it murder are driven far more by their emotional reactions, which is why many don’t really consider what it would mean for society if abortion actually went away and largely don’t care about what happens to the child after they’re actually born. So long as they’re not being “murdered.”

And is it really a libertarian stance to want the government to regulate what medical procedures people can or cannot choose to have?

 

[jmh9713]

We should probably deal with the reality of human behavior rather than idealism based on whatever your personal morality is.

Although, if we were to create some sort of government mandated healthcare that required free birth control for all Americans, man that would probably really reduce abortions. Oh and hey, for the personal accountability aspect, we could levy a fine or tax on those who chose not to purchase a healthcare plan!

OR if we didn’t want to do that, maybe we could fund an organization that could provide such services to women in poverty...gosh I wonder what we could call it, they’re planning their families, planning how they want or don’t want to be parents...hmmm what could we call something that helps you plan for parenthood?

Are we willing to do those things so that we can cut down on abortions in the US? Are we willing to take on the cost burden that I mentioned previously that would result from millions more American children? Again I am 100% certain that you are perfectly willing to take on a higher tax burden if it means that all those kids are able to lead successful lives!

So far today you have blasted poster’s faith and stood up for murdering babies.

You sure are on a roll.

Is there anything else you would like to say today? Might as well empty the chamber on that loaded gun of awful

 

[BionicTiger]

We should probably deal with the reality of human behavior rather than idealism based on whatever your personal morality is.

Although, if we were to create some sort of government mandated healthcare that required free birth control for all Americans, man that would probably really reduce abortions. Oh and hey, for the personal accountability aspect, we could levy a fine or tax on those who chose not to purchase a healthcare plan!

OR if we didn’t want to do that, maybe we could fund an organization that could provide such services to women in poverty...gosh I wonder what we could call it, they’re planning their families, planning how they want or don’t want to be parents...hmmm what could we call something that helps you plan for parenthood?

Are we willing to do those things so that we can cut down on abortions in the US? Are we willing to take on the cost burden that I mentioned previously that would result from millions more American children? Again I am 100% certain that you are perfectly willing to take on a higher tax burden if it means that all those kids are able to lead successful lives!

Safe and rare, though amirite? Let’s not pretend that Planned Parenthood is some bastion of altruism. While the way you’ve framed your argument is garbage and you come across as a raging ****, there is some validity to what you’re saying if you can view the scenario in a completely heartless, bare bones, rational way. It just difficult for me to reconcile terminating a viable pregnancy (especially, after a certain point) because of the failures of another human.

And, my wife pays $13 for a 90 day supply of birth control. This really isn’t complicated.

 

[nsp1996]

I’m 100% with you man. Let’s ban all abortion! Had we done that in 2002 that would mean there would be approximately 12 million more people under 18 in the US right now. About half of them would have been born to a mother living below the poverty line.

So...I’m agreeing. Let’s ban abortion, then increase spending on public schools so we can properly educate those kids. We’ll probably have to increase entitlements so that those single parents can afford to feed the kids and so that they can have some form of healthcare. Or hey, you know, they can keep going to the emergency room with no insurance and pass that burden onto us!

We also that even as those kids turn 18, statistically speaking, about half will become tax payers and the other half won’t and may actually need government assistance of their own. And as those public schools get more and more crowded we’ll certainly have to continue to increase spending there.

So, hey man, let’s do it. Let’s ban abortion and make sure we go full force into protecting the sanctity of these kids’ lives by making sure they can have as much success as possible. I just know that good people like you would have no problem putting their money where their pro-life stance is through tax increases.

If we are going to do that, can we eliminate ESL and associated costs to school districts? Require proof of citizenship before allowing enrollment in school (and all associated benefits)?

How about we eliminate automatic citizenship for children of illegals while we are at it. That will help too.

 

[dbjork6317]

Safe and rare amirite? Let’s not pretend that Planned Parenthood is some bastion of altruism. While the way you’ve framed your argument is garbage and you come across as a raging ****, there is some validity to what you’re saying if you can view the scenario in a completely heartless, bare bones, rational way. It just difficult for me to reconcile terminating a viable pregnancy (especially, after a certain point) because of the failures of another human.

And, my wife pays $13 for a 90 day supply of birth control. This really isn’t complicated.

Rare? Why? Safe and plentiful is my motto

 

[DaTater]

This thread went off the rails quickly.

 

[TigerPrice03]

Must stop abortions! Protect life! Women dying from botched abortion procedures...eh what can ya do

No emotional stuff here. I don’t really care enough about the abortion issue to be emotional about it. I find that those who consider it murder are driven far more by their emotional reactions, which is why many don’t really consider what it would mean for society if abortion actually went away and largely don’t care about what happens to the child after they’re actually born. So long as they’re not being “murdered.”

And is it really a libertarian stance to want the government to regulate what medical procedures people can or cannot choose to have?

It isn't anti-libertarian to want the government to be able to tell people they can't torture and kill babies, because that is exactly what abortion is. Let's be clear about that. It is the torture and killing of a being that feels pain. If you say you don't want to regulate killing and certain other horrible things then you are not a libertarian. You are an anarchist.

 

[dbjork6317]

If we are going to do that, can we eliminate ESL and associated costs to school districts? Require proof of citizenship before allowing enrollment in school (and all associated benefits)?

How about we eliminate automatic citizenship for children of illegals while we are at it. That will help too.

I got it, let’s just force pregnant illegals to have abortions, case closed. If we’re going to punish the child for the sin of the parent then let’s go all the way. This would also help with your ESL funding over time.

 

[Sammy52]

 

[dbjork6317]

It is the torture and killing of a being that feels pain.

They can’t feel pain until about 24 weeks. So I’m understanding that you’re OK with abortion prior to then?

 

[BionicTiger]

Rare? Why? Safe and plentiful is my motto

The self-loathing is incredible. Talk to somebody man. I feel like you’re a couple steps away from upping OP’s numbers. Get help.

 

[BAnksMcFadden]

Must stop abortions! Protect life! Women dying from botched abortion procedures...eh what can ya do

No emotional stuff here. I don’t really care enough about the abortion issue to be emotional about it. I find that those who consider it murder are driven far more by their emotional reactions, which is why many don’t really consider what it would mean for society if abortion actually went away and largely don’t care about what happens to the child after they’re actually born. So long as they’re not being “murdered.”

And is it really a libertarian stance to want the government to regulate what medical procedures people can or cannot choose to have?

Libertarians don't belive that basic rules of societies don't apply. Murder, rape, theft and a few more are going to be adhered to. Saying not to outlaw those things is anarchist.

I don't see your disconnect here. You obviously can't stop people from breaking the law, so worrying about back room abortions is a wasteful use of time. But if you outlaw most abortions (rape, mothers life at ris ) you can at least lay your head down at night with the understanding that you don't have murder on your conscience

 

[dbjork6317]

you can at least lay your head down at night with the understanding that you don't have murder on your conscience

And I’m the one that’s being emotional?

 

[nsp1996]

I got it, let’s just force pregnant illegals to have abortions, case closed. If we’re going to punish the child for the sin of the parent then let’s go all the way. This would also help with your ESL funding over time.

Don't get all emotional on me. I didn't say that. I don't believe we should punish the child. I do believe we should be compassionate and send her and her parent back to the place where the parent is a citizen of. Send them back home. That's it. Nothing bad.

Why are, "We the people," responsible for the child of a person who is her against our laws? It defies logic.

 

[dbjork6317]

Don't get all emotional on me. I didn't say that. I don't believe we should punish the child. I do believe we should be compassionate and send her and her parent back to the place where the parent is a citizen of. Send them back home. That's it. Nothing bad.

Why are, "We the people," responsible for the child of a person who is her against our laws? It defies logic.

Because the constitution says they’re a citizen. Full stop. You want to go changing the constitution? I got a couple of things I’d like to tweak in there too. But making wholesale changes to the constitution is a dangerous game.

 

[BAnksMcFadden]

And I’m the one that’s being emotional?

That's logical bruh... Not killing people is basic human logic

I did phrase it in a way that a tard couldn't tell the difference... That's on me

 

[nsp1996]

Because the constitution says they’re a citizen. Full stop. You want to go changing the constitution? I got a couple of things I’d like to tweak in there too. But making wholesale changes to the constitution is a dangerous game.

That is a bit debatable. The language on this bit of the constitution is a little ambiguous.

But , conceeding that point for this discussion's sake, There is no danger to what I am talking about. None. In fact it is really the common-sense way to do things.

If I'm a tennant in one of your rentals who isn't paying rent, and I have a kid in the living room, does that make it my house and not yours?