Texas sucks

[dpic73]

What kills me and most Americans is that this stuff should be between a women and her Doctor. This shouldn't be a legal matter, and making this poor women and her family have to navigate the legal boundaries in an already devastating situation is horrible to me.

Jo (@jojo.fromjerz) on Threads

In Texas a woman’s reproductive healthcare decisions are between her, her family, her doctor… her Governor, her district court judge, her state Supreme Court justices, and her state Attorney General.

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Jo (@jojo.fromjerz) on Threads

I wonder what a man would say if a bunch of female judges and a female Attorney General got to decide whether or not he could have an emergency vasectomy.

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[fatpiggy]

What kills me and most Americans is that this stuff should be between a women and her Doctor. This shouldn't be a legal matter, and making this poor women and her family have to navigate the legal boundaries in an already devastating situation is horrible to me.

You make an excellent point. And i hope we can consistently apply this logic to other healthcare decisions like vaccines etc.

 

[yoshi121374]

You make an excellent point. And i hope we can consistently apply this logic to other healthcare decisions like vaccines etc.

I really don't think that this situation is the same as vaccine mandates. Nobody was making it illegal to not get a vaccine.

 

[BlueRidgedf]

Jo (@jojo.fromjerz) on Threads

In Texas a woman’s reproductive healthcare decisions are between her, her family, her doctor… her Governor, her district court judge, her state Supreme Court justices, and her state Attorney General.

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Jo (@jojo.fromjerz) on Threads

I wonder what a man would say if a bunch of female judges and a female Attorney General got to decide whether or not he could have an emergency vasectomy.

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Who is JoJo?

 

[dpic73]

Who is JoJo?

You've already asked me this before. Does it matter? Just someone with almost a million followers

Jo
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[dpic73]

 

[BlueRidgedf]

I would love to hear the MAGA crowds opinion on this?

 

[yoshi121374]

I would love to hear the MAGA crowds opinion on this?

They love Ken Paxton.

 

[dpic73]

They love Ken Paxton.

Guy is corrupt as hell and his own party was primed to impeach him until Trump stepped in and told them to back off. Scumbag

GOP-controlled Texas House impeaches Republican Attorney General Ken Paxton, triggering suspension

The Texas House of Representatives has voted to impeach scandal-plagued Republican Attorney General Ken Paxton. The move Saturday triggers his immediate suspension and sets up a trial in the state Senate that could permanently remove Texas’ top lawyer from office. The historic vote came after a...

apnews.com

Donald Trump claims credit for saving Ken Paxton

Paxton and Trump have long been closely aligned, with the Texas attorney general leading a lawsuit to challenge the 2020 presidential election results.

www.texastribune.org

 

[WapPride]

Unfortunate, but expected.

 

[yoshi121374]

Unfortunate, but expected.

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Jesus Texas is awful. Republicans should get ready to lose badly in 2024, they are gonna own these stories and most of America thinks this is terrible.

 

[BlueRidgedf]

Jesus Texas is awful. Republicans should get ready to lose badly in 2024, they are gonna own these stories and most of America thinks this is terrible.

Totally disagree these people are just like the people of Chicago. They will vote like they are told to vote.

 

[yoshi121374]

Totally disagree these people are just like the people of Chicago. They will vote like they are told to vote.

Abortion will really hurt Pubs with Moderate women. It already did in the midterms. If Trump wasn't enough, you doubkedown with making women's health choices illegal.

 

[dbjork6317]

We were talking about extreme positions i.e aborting full term babies. Unfortunately there are people who have advocated for that position. Im glad that its not a thing.

Can you cite one single example of a woman wanting or having or seeking to abort a baby “a few days before it was due” that did not involve either a non viable fetus or significant health risk to the mother?

 

[fatpiggy]

I really don't think that this situation is the same as vaccine mandates. Nobody was making it illegal to not get a vaccine.

Can you cite one single example of a woman wanting or having or seeking to abort a baby “a few days before it was due” that did not involve either a non viable fetus or significant health risk to the mother?

I don’t care to argue the abortion debate anymore. I have a very moderate position.

I do find it interesting that you all say “this isn’t happening” but the video of mayor Pete that was posted, and I watched, claims that there are over 6,000 late term abortions every year. Stop pretending like it doesn’t happen.

 

[yoshi121374]

I don’t care to argue the abortion debate anymore. I have a very moderate position.

I do find it interesting that you all say “this isn’t happening” but the video of mayor Pete that was posted, and I watched, claims that there are over 6,000 late term abortions every year. Stop pretending like it doesn’t happen.

Do you know what constitutes a late term abortion? Situations such as this.

 

[fatpiggy]

Do you know what constitutes a late term abortion? Situations such as this.

Ok there are 5,999 more. If you are trying to get me to say i agree with late term abortions it won't happen.

 

[dpic73]

Ok there are 5,999 more.

What's your point? There are 330 million people in this country so that number could easily be accurate in reference to health of the mother or a fatal abnormality. You were asked to name ONE that was elective but instead you point to the number of late term abortions, which doesn't answer his question.

 

[fatpiggy]

What's your point? There are 330 million people in this country so that number could easily be accurate in reference to health of the mother or a fatal abnormality. You were asked to name ONE that was elective but instead you point to the number of late term abortions, which doesn't answer his question.

You guys act like people post videos of their abortions to tik tok. "Show me video proof of someone killing a baby!" Pretty ridiculous right?

Do you have kids? I have 4
Have you ever had to make a real world, not hypothetical, decision on whether to abort a baby? I have. I have real world perspective on this issue and I don't take it lightly.

I don't agree with elective late term abortion. I held my 4 children the minutes after they were born and i can't imagine harming them only a few weeks before i held them. If it's not a thing, then what are you guys arguing about? Its either not a thing and you are pissing into the wind, or you are arguing in favor of it.

Im pretty much done on this topic. I've thought it through and live with my decision every day. He is an amazing individual. My mind is made up and it's not changing and I'm not asking you to change your mind either. You are all welcome to have different opinions based on your real life experiences, that's why we all love America. Well, used to at least.

 

[dpic73]

You guys act like people post videos of their abortions to tik tok. "Show me video proof of someone killing a baby!" Pretty ridiculous right?

Do you have kids? I have 4
Have you ever had to make a real world, not hypothetical, decision on whether to abort a baby? I have. I have real world perspective on this issue and I don't take it lightly.

I don't agree with elective late term abortion. I held my 4 children the minutes after they were born and i can't imagine harming them only a few weeks before i held them. If it's not a thing, then what are you guys arguing about? Its either not a thing and you are pissing into the wind, or you are arguing in favor of it.

Im pretty much done on this topic. I've thought it through and live with my decision every day. He is an amazing individual. My mind is made up and it's not changing and I'm not asking you to change your mind either. You are all welcome to have different opinions based on your real life experiences, that's why we all love America. Well, used to at least.

Don't obfuscate. You are charging the left with approval of late term abortions, with the implication they are done electively. That's a lie and so it was pointed out to you that when this happens, it's a heartbreaking decision because the mothers health is at risk or more likely, the fetus has a fatal abnormality. The Texas case is the perfect example of this. NO ONE approves of late term abortions for whimsical reasons, no one. Stop lying for political reasons.

 

[fatpiggy]

Don't obfuscate. You are charging the left with approval of late term abortions, with the implication they are done electively. That's a lie and so it was pointed out to you that when this happens, it's a heartbreaking decision because the mothers health is at risk or more likely, the fetus has a fatal abnormality. The Texas case is the perfect example of this. NO ONE approves of late term abortions for whimsical reasons, no one. Stop lying for political reasons.

You missed the part about if it's not a thing, then you are pissing into the wind. Good day

 

[yoshi121374]

Don't obfuscate. You are charging the left with approval of late term abortions, with the implication they are done electively. That's a lie and so it was pointed out to you that when this happens, it's a heartbreaking decision because the mothers health is at risk or more likely, the fetus has a fatal abnormality. The Texas case is the perfect example of this. NO ONE approves of late term abortions for whimsical reasons, no one. Stop lying for political reasons.

This is my point. Late term elective abortions aren't happening or legal. This is an example of scare tactics for votes. Nobody thinks you should abort a perfectly healthy baby at 8 months.

 

[flotiger]

Guy is corrupt as hell and his own party was primed to impeach him until Trump stepped in and told them to back off. Scumbag

GOP-controlled Texas House impeaches Republican Attorney General Ken Paxton, triggering suspension

The Texas House of Representatives has voted to impeach scandal-plagued Republican Attorney General Ken Paxton. The move Saturday triggers his immediate suspension and sets up a trial in the state Senate that could permanently remove Texas’ top lawyer from office. The historic vote came after a...

apnews.com

Donald Trump claims credit for saving Ken Paxton

Paxton and Trump have long been closely aligned, with the Texas attorney general leading a lawsuit to challenge the 2020 presidential election results.

www.texastribune.org

Trump of course will take credit, but from reporting I've read and what I've been told by political people in Texas, Paxton was saved by 2 or 3 billionaires who threatened anyone in GOP who didn't vote to not throw Paxton out. Majority of GOP who voted to bring impeachment charges, changed their mind when the vote to oust was taken. All due to threats by the money guys who need Paxton in office.

 

[dbjork6317]

I don’t care to argue the abortion debate anymore. I have a very moderate position.

I do find it interesting that you all say “this isn’t happening” but the video of mayor Pete that was posted, and I watched, claims that there are over 6,000 late term abortions every year. Stop pretending like it doesn’t happen.

I’ll repeat:

Can you cite one single example of a woman wanting or having or seeking to abort a baby “a few days before it was due” that did not involve either a non viable fetus or significant health risk to the mother?

 

[BlueRidgedf]

The Texas law allows abortion in extreme circumstances. And the AG and the state Supreme Court apparently ignored their own law.

 

[yoshi121374]

I’ll repeat:

Can you cite one single example of a woman wanting or having or seeking to abort a baby “a few days before it was due” that did not involve either a non viable fetus or significant health risk to the mother?

No, he can't. He is mad about something that doesn't happen, then says we are ridiculous for saying that it doesn't happen.

The circular logic is maddening

 

[dpic73]

Trump of course will take credit, but from reporting I've read and what I've been told by political people in Texas, Paxton was saved by 2 or 3 billionaires who threatened anyone in GOP who didn't vote to not throw Paxton out. Majority of GOP who voted to bring impeachment charges, changed their mind when the vote to oust was taken. All due to threats by the money guys who need Paxton in office.

It's a deeply seedy story that included a social media campaign and a corrupt Lt Governor who appointed himself as the judge. Texas politics are rotten to the core.

The Greatest Sideshow on Earth: Behind the Scenes of Ken Paxton’s Acquittal

The impeachment trial of Ken Paxton delivered a steady stream of tantalizing entertainment. But the most consequential moments played out when few were watching.

www.texasmonthly.com

 

[DW4_2016]

The Texas law allows abortion in extreme circumstances. And the AG and the state Supreme Court apparently ignored their own law.

it's not extreme if the fetus in question didnt belong to someone high ranking enough.

 

[97ClemsonMac]

You can use your perfect hindsight to criticize the mandates if you want, but most of us understood it was an attempt to save lives. Just think about how many more of your voters you would have lost without them.

I didn't advocate for them but I didn't oppose them either. I saw firsthand how most of the employees at my company wouldn't come back to the office unless it was mandated and so the Owner made the decision to make them required to come into the office but he allowed those who were opposed to work from home. That solved it but lets not pretend like taking 10 minutes to get a shot that won't harm you was a big deal in the first place....unless you decided to make it one.

Wouldn't allowing all abortions to be legal result in more loss of life just as not mandating the vaccine would have resulted in more loss of life back during the pandemic?

I actually have not heard that perspective about the return to work thing i.e. people would not come back unless everyone was vaccinated. At least the way it was pitched to me was you can't come in unless you had it, and the people that didn't have it never were able to go in (P.S. I did get the vaccine for family purposes).

 

[scotchtiger]

Don't obfuscate. You are charging the left with approval of late term abortions, with the implication they are done electively. That's a lie and so it was pointed out to you that when this happens, it's a heartbreaking decision because the mothers health is at risk or more likely, the fetus has a fatal abnormality. The Texas case is the perfect example of this. NO ONE approves of late term abortions for whimsical reasons, no one. Stop lying for political reasons.

I think you know where I stand on this. But just for arguments sake, if no one approves of late term abortions in cases other than if the mothers life is at risk or the fetus is not viable, why not propose legislation that memorializes that concept?

Roe defined the cutoff at viability, thought of as 24-28 weeks. I personally think that’s too late, but that’s the precedent.

The left should propose a law that says abortion is up to the free will of the mother up until 24 weeks (or 26, etc). Beyond that, there must be a risk to the mothers life, major fetal abnormality (strictly define the terms) or other extenuating circumstances (again, define).

That completely neutralizes fatpiggy’s argument and the argument of many on the right.

Of course I think the right should propose something similar, but with a lower threshold for voluntary abortion. Perhaps in line with most of Europe at 15 weeks.

 

[dpic73]

Wouldn't allowing all abortions to be legal result in more loss of life just as not mandating the vaccine would have resulted in more loss of life back during the pandemic?

I actually have not heard that perspective about the return to work thing i.e. people would not come back unless everyone was vaccinated. At least the way it was pitched to me was you can't come in unless you had it, and the people that didn't have it never were able to go in (P.S. I did get the vaccine for family purposes).

Welcome back, where you been?

Your first paragraph is a false equivalency and would require a conversation about when life begins and not interested in going there. Plus, a vaccine wouldn't harm anybody(only help) and it was only for a limted time.

For your second question, this mostly applied to our Manhattan headquarters, where as you know, COVID ravaged that city so it was understandable that some were concerned about being around a large group of people who might not be vaccinated. The owner knew how nervous people were about coming in so that's why he made it a requirement to come into the office because he's old school and really wanted the face to face contact with the employees. The Atlanta office that I work in didn't have that requirement and you could work from home or the office with no pressure either way.

 

[dpic73]

I think you know where I stand on this. But just for arguments sake, if no one approves of late term abortions in cases other than if the mothers life is at risk or the fetus is not viable, why not propose legislation that memorializes that concept?

Roe defined the cutoff at viability, thought of as 24-28 weeks. I personally think that’s too late, but that’s the precedent.

The left should propose a law that says abortion is up to the free will of the mother up until 24 weeks (or 26, etc). Beyond that, there must be a risk to the mothers life, major fetal abnormality (strictly define the terms) or other extenuating circumstances (again, define).

That completely neutralizes fatpiggy’s argument and the argument of many on the right.

Of course I think the right should propose something similar, but with a lower threshold for voluntary abortion. Perhaps in line with most of Europe at 15 weeks.

I don't have a problem with defining a cutoff but I think Roe had it right and it worked fine for 50 years. When the Supreme Court revisited the issue 30 years later they made these three findings that I agree with - these are good enough in my opinion.

1. Women have the right to abort pre-viability without undue interference from the state
2. The state may restrict abortion post-viability
3. The state has a legitimate interest in protecting woman’s health and life of the fetus

Yes, I get it that you need to define viability but I think that should be left to an all female panel. Or how about have a national referendum with only females allowed to vote? I'd like to see old white guys stay out of it to be honest.

 

[97ClemsonMac]

Welcome back, where you been?

Your first paragraph is a false equivalency and would require a conversation about when life begins and not interested in going there. Plus, a vaccine wouldn't harm anybody(only help) and it was only for a limted time.

For your second question, this mostly applied to our Manhattan headquarters, where as you know, COVID ravaged that city so it was understandable that some were concerned about being around a large group of people who might not be vaccinated. The owner knew how nervous people were about coming in so that's why he made it a requirement to come into the office because he's old school and really wanted the face to face contact with the employees. The Atlanta office that I work in didn't have that requirement and you could work from home or the office with no pressure either way.

Life got busy, bought a house, got a new job, and traveling to Clemson games of course. I have read some behind the scenes but limited engagement. I will say though I do hold conservative views in some areas I have been enlightened from research and observations. My conclusion still remains that the worst of the worst is the extreme right and extreme left. So I reside somewhere in the middle.

I agree, I do not like the abortion argument or life argument as a man, have said in the past, that states should let the women only vote on it but, of course, that will never happen. If can't have that then modernize with what the other countries (the sane countries i.e. not Russia or China or any of their ilk) have across the globe. The situation in Texas is disheartening, especially granted the foreseen outcome of the baby (death I would suppose unless I have read something wrong).

Makes more sense granted the context on the vaccine, NYC was hell in Q2 of 2020. I remember we had that requirement and also the mask mandate but it got so silly that we were walking through the halls with masks on only to get into an office room with our team and communicate maskless, just got kinda dumb for us. But I definitely would have understood if someone was not comfortable coming in, was tough times I hope we never witness again.

 

[dpic73]

Life got busy, bought a house, got a new job, and traveling to Clemson games of course. I have read some behind the scenes but limited engagement. I will say though I do hold conservative views in some areas I have been enlightened from research and observations. My conclusion still remains that the worst of the worst is the extreme right and extreme left. So I reside somewhere in the middle.

I agree, I do not like the abortion argument or life argument as a man, have said in the past, that states should let the women only vote on it but, of course, that will never happen. If can't have that then modernize with what the other countries (the sane countries i.e. not Russia or China or any of their ilk) have across the globe. The situation in Texas is disheartening, especially granted the foreseen outcome of the baby (death I would suppose unless I have read something wrong).

Makes more sense granted the context on the vaccine, NYC was hell in Q2 of 2020. I remember we had that requirement and also the mask mandate but it got so silly that we were walking through the halls with masks on only to get into an office room with our team and communicate maskless, just got kinda dumb for us. But I definitely would have understood if someone was not comfortable coming in, was tough times I hope we never witness again.

That is so cool you bought a house! I know you were interested in doing that and I remember all the naysayers on here telling you not to, but I encouraged you to do it now if you could. It will be one of the best decisions you ever make and now that you did it while you're young, you're on the path to a healthy nest egg way before your peers who rent. Congrats!

I know you're a conservative and that's cool but at least you're in the reasonable middle. I agree that the extremes on both sides have gone too far so it's up to the rest of us to bring back sanity and find common ground, because we probably have a lot more in common than we admit to on this board.

Now back to fighting lol

 

[97ClemsonMac]

That is so cool you bought a house! I know you were interested in doing that and I remember all the naysayers on here telling you not to, but I encouraged you to do it now if you could. It will be one of the best decisions you ever make and now that you did it while you're young, you're on the path to a healthy nest egg way before your peers who rent. Congrats!

I know you're a conservative and that's cool but at least you're in the reasonable middle. I agree that the extremes on both sides have gone too far so it's up to the rest of us to bring back sanity and find common ground, because we probably have a lot more in common than we admit to on this board.

Now back to fighting lol

Much appreciated, waiting for the rates to decrease now so I can refi.

I just don't agree with attacking people's character (not saying you have or anyone has). Never know what experiences others have gone through, that is kind of what I think this day and age when it comes to politics. I think a lot of 26 year olds align similarly with this, and a lot of us want drama out of politics too.

 

[dpic73]

Much appreciated, waiting for the rates to decrease now so I can refi.

I just don't agree with attacking people's character (not saying you have or anyone has). Never know what experiences others have gone through, that is kind of what I think this day and age when it comes to politics. I think a lot of 26 year olds align similarly with this, and a lot of us want drama out of politics too.

Oh I'm sure I've attacked people pretty mercilessly on here but not just because they're conservative. My red line is with avid Trump supporters who ignore everything he's done and still want him to be elected again, even though he's openly promising to do much, much worse. It's one thing to vote conservative because that's your political persuasion but it's a whole other thing to ardently advocate for that maniac. ;-)

 

[AugTig]

I agree that the extremes on both sides have gone too far so it's up to the rest of us to bring back sanity

This is funny stuff!

 

[dpic73]

This is funny stuff!

That's because you don't recognize that you're so far right you'd shoot off your left nut just to own a lib.

 

[dpic73]

Ohio sucks too, yeesh.

A woman who had a miscarriage is now charged with abusing a corpse as stricter abortion laws play out nationwide​

https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/19/us/brittany-watts-miscarriage-criminal-charge/index.html

 

[SDTiger9]

Ok there are 5,999 more. If you are trying to get me to say i agree with late term abortions it won't happen.

Most REASONABLE people agree with 15 weeks. 95% of abortions are performed by then. Pubs need to get with the 15 week/harm to the mother agenda if they want to win elections.