The COVID vaccine saved 3MM American lives.

[nytigerfan]

Amazing. Great job by the Trump admin to get project warp speed in place. Great job by science to develop it. Great job by Biden to distribute it. Great job by those Americans who actually got the shot.

God bless America.

Covid vaccines averted 3 million deaths in U.S., according to new study

Without vaccines, the U.S. would have experienced four times as many Covid-19 deaths in the time since December 2020, a new study finds.

www.statnews.com

 

[PalmettoTiger1]

Amazing. Great job by the Trump admin to get project warp speed in place. Great job by science to develop it. Great job by Biden to distribute it. Great job by those Americans who actually got the shot.

God bless America.

Covid vaccines averted 3 million deaths in U.S., according to new study

Without vaccines, the U.S. would have experienced four times as many Covid-19 deaths in the time since December 2020, a new study finds.

www.statnews.com

Good to see you acknowledge the many people involved in saving American lives.

I too give kudos to all who made it happen as although we will never know the consequences if the vaccines had not been developed I believe whether right or wrong in that belief that we would have lost many more

Thanks NYCTIGERFAN

 

[Jjh7]

hahahahah how fukking stupid do you have to be to think this is a meaningful study? i mean do you really need me to walk you through the reasons why this is garbage math based on guesswork? this is comically fallacious to the point it should be in the onion.

which makes it funnier that the same people who just believe it's true because it supports the covidian religion's savior, yet they are adamant there's no way to prove its culpability in any deaths.

that said, i'm nothing if not philanthropic, so i brought a nice treat for the mouthbreathers that think there's anything meaningful in those numbers. some next level genius in this work of art

People who skipped their COVID vaccine are at higher risk of traffic accidents, according to a new study

The findings could justify changes to driver insurance policies, the authors say.

fortune.com

 

[nytigerfan]

hahahahah how fukking stupid do you have to be to think this is a meaningful study? i mean do you really need me to walk you through the reasons why this is garbage math based on guesswork? this is comically fallacious to the point it should be in the onion.

which makes it funnier that the same people who just believe it's true because it supports the covidian religion's savior, yet they are adamant there's no way to prove its culpability in any deaths.

that said, i'm nothing if not philanthropic, so i brought a nice treat for the mouthbreathers that think there's anything meaningful in those numbers. some next level genius in this work of art

People who skipped their COVID vaccine are at higher risk of traffic accidents, according to a new study

The findings could justify changes to driver insurance policies, the authors say.

fortune.com

That was an excellent and well articulated rebuttal. But if I may request, could you use the data to test and create your own model to disprove this? Could you do that for us, the mouth breathers?

 

[Jjh7]

That was an excellent and well articulated rebuttal. But if I may request, could you use the data to test and create your own model to disprove this? Could you do that for us, the mouth breathers?

i dont need to do anything to prove you can't say if i change this variable in the past xyz would have happened, that should be obvious.

but i'll humor you in the hopes you can learn something. even if you could accept that and wanted to try and ballpark a number to get in the same galaxy, this data is sht. layering into incidence per 100k data means you're already fooked, because there were likely 10's of millions of cases where people didn't even know they had it like me, or took a test at home and that was that. that immediately means you're inflating hospitalization and death probabilities. death totals are a moving target because for a while if you got shot in the head but tested positive when they took you to the hospital they called it a covid death. they may have half assed an attempt to clean that data but its no doubt inflated, to what degree i don't care enough to get back into. covid is over as a medical issue, just need to clean up some trash. anyway, because of this you balloon your base results and don't account for comorbidities or general health. it's just utter bollocks to say that this paper should be taken seriously. not sure why they used lhs either but not like it matters. its a fancy word salad with that doesn't actually tell you anything. this is also how you directly address something brought to you when you've formed your own thoughts on a subject.

 

[jakefest]

That was an excellent and well articulated rebuttal. But if I may request, could you use the data to test and create your own model to disprove this? Could you do that for us, the mouth breathers?

You can probably find it on Twitter now that they can't censor and suppress actual studies that might counter the article. Good luck with your search

 

[nytigerfan]

i dont need to do anything to prove you can't say if i change this variable in the past xyz would have happened, that should be obvious.

but i'll humor you in the hopes you can learn something. even if you could accept that and wanted to try and ballpark a number to get in the same galaxy, this data is sht. layering into incidence per 100k data means you're already fooked, because there were likely 10's of millions of cases where people didn't even know they had it like me, or took a test at home and that was that. that immediately means you're inflating hospitalization and death probabilities. death totals are a moving target because for a while if you got shot in the head but tested positive when they took you to the hospital they called it a covid death. they may have half assed an attempt to clean that data but its no doubt inflated, to what degree i don't care enough to get back into. covid is over as a medical issue, just need to clean up some trash. anyway, because of this you balloon your base results and don't account for comorbidities or general health. it's just utter bollocks to say that this paper should be taken seriously. not sure why they used lhs either but not like it matters. its a fancy word salad with that doesn't actually tell you anything. this is also how you directly address something brought to you when you've formed your own thoughts on a subject.

That was a lot of words where you said absolutely nothing of value. So, unfortunately, all that I learned is that you are very emotional about this subject. I recommend you try keep your emotions out of substantive discussions about data.

And as a wise man once said, "**** your feelings."

 

[nytigerfan]

You can probably find it on Twitter now that they can't censor and suppress actual studies that might counter the article. Good luck with your search

I am very proud to say that I have never, and never will, get my information from twitter. I leave that to the simpletons.

But since you brought it up... what is your go to source CATTURD saying about this?

 

[WapPride]

hahahahah how fukking stupid do you have to be to think this is a meaningful study? i mean do you really need me to walk you through the reasons why this is garbage math based on guesswork? this is comically fallacious to the point it should be in the onion.

which makes it funnier that the same people who just believe it's true because it supports the covidian religion's savior, yet they are adamant there's no way to prove its culpability in any deaths.

that said, i'm nothing if not philanthropic, so i brought a nice treat for the mouthbreathers that think there's anything meaningful in those numbers. some next level genius in this work of art

People who skipped their COVID vaccine are at higher risk of traffic accidents, according to a new study

The findings could justify changes to driver insurance policies, the authors say.

fortune.com

This is what crazy looks like, folks.

 

[Casa_del_Tigre]

That was an excellent and well articulated rebuttal. But if I may request, could you use the data to test and create your own model to disprove this? Could you do that for us, the mouth breathers?

I’m not vaccinated and got covid and survived it. If I was vaccinated, got covid, then survived, would that count as the vaccine saving my life from a common cold?

 

[Willence]

Here's another "study." LOL

MSN

www.msn.com

All this stuff has such a stench to it. It's a sign of just how close they think we are to becoming sheeple. Many already are but the ranks are growing.

 

[Jjh7]

That was a lot of words where you said absolutely nothing of value. So, unfortunately, all that I learned is that you are very emotional about this subject. I recommend you try keep your emotions out of substantive discussions about data.

And as a wise man once said, "**** your feelings."

nah, it pretty clearly explains why the study is nonsense. it's the delusion of the echo chamber that leaves you unable to respond intellectually. let me know when one of you can hold their own in an actual discussion this is pathetic

and sorry to break it to you but thats just how i talk. i would spend less time worrying about how i explain sht to you and more time learning for yourself so one day you might not fold like a cheap table and change the subject as soon as you get called out.

 

[Jjh7]

This is what crazy looks like, folks.

good one jv

don't be sensi, i won't feel bad for laughing at this arithmetical atrocity regardless

 

[PalmettoTiger1]

That was a lot of words where you said absolutely nothing of value. So, unfortunately, all that I learned is that you are very emotional about this subject. I recommend you try keep your emotions out of substantive discussions about data.

And as a wise man once said, "**** your feelings."

NYTIGERFAN I must commend those words of wisdom

Emotions are not good for decision making

Good for anniversaries

 

[PalmettoTiger1]

Here's another "study." LOL

MSN

www.msn.com

All this stuff has such a stench to it. It's a sign of just how close they think we are to becoming sheeple. Many already are but the ranks are growing.

I throw my hands up and say to myself unbelievable

truth is a unicorn

everybody tries to slant to their side

 

[nytigerfan]

Here's another "study." LOL

MSN

www.msn.com

All this stuff has such a stench to it. It's a sign of just how close they think we are to becoming sheeple. Many already are but the ranks are growing.

That's great. Someone else above has already posted this. And just like when they posted it, it has zero to do with what I posted. I would expect nothing less rom you.

 

[DW4_2016]

Unfortunately most of them were trump voters.

 

[Willence]

That's great. Someone else above has already posted this. And just like when they posted it, it has zero to do with what I posted. I would expect nothing less rom you.

It has everything to do with what you posted. It's another example of the desperation to create some kind of value from the vaccination and all that we went through. COVID was a horrible event for the entire world. There's no redeeming layer to it. Millions of people are dead and lives have been wrecked in so many ways because of it. There's no silver lining and there's no redeeming layer. It just sucked and the way we handled it sucked.

 

[nytigerfan]

It has everything to do with what you posted. It's another example of the desperation to create some kind of value from the vaccination and all that we went through. COVID was a horrible event for the entire world. There's no redeeming layer to it. Millions of people are dead and lives have been wrecked in so many ways because of it. There's no silver lining and there's no redeeming layer. It just sucked and the way we handled it sucked.

So you dont believe that the vaccine saved any lives?

 

[Willence]

So you dont believe that the vaccine saved any lives?

I'm sure it did. But I also know given the progression of treatment that there is no way to accurately quantify just how many it did save. Also, we completely shot down so many other treatments that showed viable, life-saving results that we won't know how many lives the agenda driven activity toward Covid cost. What I learned from Covid is we will politicize anything in the name of power and control over others. That's a sad lesson to learn. We should be taking a painstaking honest look at Covid and how we managed this and all the mistakes that were made. We should also be investigating what the original cause was and how to stop this in the future. The fact that very little of this is going on is not a partisan issue. We should all want to know these things.

 

[GrayCourtStomp]

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[Cocks are Number 1]

You thanking Trump is the highlight.

@nytigerfan

 

[leetp]

This is what crazy looks like, folks.

But seriously, save for the elderly (and that is increasingly becoming a stretch) what is the case for the COVID vax at all....seeing as how it does not stop transmission and there is no data to support that getting the vax keeps you from getting the virus? Moreover, did not NIH just release a study indicating that the present bulk of the hospitalizations might actually be in vaccinated people?

Other than big pharma and their lap dogs in government, who is really pro-COVID vax anymore? Surely you all are just trolling?

 

[nytigerfan]

But seriously, save for the elderly (and that is increasingly becoming a stretch) what is the case for the COVID vax at all....seeing as how it does not stop transmission and there is no data to support that getting the vax keeps you from getting the virus? Moreover, did not NIH just release a study indicating that the present bulk of the hospitalizations might actually be in vaccinated people?

Other than big pharma and their lap dogs in government, who is really pro-COVID vax anymore? Surely you all are just trolling?

Seeing as how 80% of Americans have been vaccinated, wouldn’t it make sense that most of the hospitalized people would be vaccinated?

I don’t understand why that is so hard for rubes to understand.

 

[leetp]

Seeing as how 80% of Americans have been vaccinated, wouldn’t it make sense that most of the hospitalized people would be vaccinated?

I don’t understand why that is so hard for rubes to understand.

Lol...that was so obvious that I didn't bother to include it. Read the study (or at least the excerpts and the professional opinions regarding the study). When weighted for supposed number of vaccinations, vaxed people are a slight majority. Mind you, the study does not indicate a causal link. It could just be short run data.

 

[dpic73]

But seriously, save for the elderly (and that is increasingly becoming a stretch) what is the case for the COVID vax at all....seeing as how it does not stop transmission and there is no data to support that getting the vax keeps you from getting the virus? Moreover, did not NIH just release a study indicating that the present bulk of the hospitalizations might actually be in vaccinated people?

Other than big pharma and their lap dogs in government, who is really pro-COVID vax anymore? Surely you all are just trolling?

But seriously, we don't care if you get vaxxed but I'm sure the medical community would appreciate you not taking up their beds when you could easily avoid it.

Plus, as NY stated above, 80% of the population has received at least one shot. 33% of those only received one shot and may no longer have any immunity, but they still get counted as vaxxed in the study. So the formula is pretty easy to understand.

5% of 80 = 4
10% of 20 = 2

In this case, more vaccinated people would be hospitalized but which group would be more likely to fall ill?

 

[leetp]

But seriously, we don't care if you get vaxxed but I'm sure the medical community would appreciate you not taking up their beds when you could easily avoid it.

Plus, as NY stated above, 80% of the population has received at least one shot. 33% of those only received one shot and may no longer have any immunity, but they still get counted as vaxxed in the study. So the formula is pretty easy to understand.

5% of 80 = 4
10% of 20 = 2

In this case, more vaccinated people would be hospitalized but which group would be more likely to fall ill?

That's what I'm trying to tell you. US government NIH endorsed study is contrary the very claims you are making. That's the thing with science. Positions should change and new hypotheses should emerge as the the data rolls in. For some reason you are hellbent not to.

I am very much pro-vax. My US military shot record is many pages long. As I've said before, I've had the COVID vaccine--Moderna, twice. Then had the scare of my life when I (and ER doctors) thought I was having a heart attack. It just turned out to be pericarditis. Hopefully I'll suffer no other I'll effects.

My wife and I have each had COVID. My twin girls, 11, have had COVID five times between them. It was no big deal. The flu this year has been far worse. We were close at one point to takin one of my kids to the ER when her fever was approaching 105 and wouldn't come down with acetaminophen and ibuprofen. We have all had the flu vax, for what it's worth, and get it every year.

 

[nytigerfan]

Lol...that was so obvious that I didn't bother to include it. Read the study (or at least the excerpts and the professional opinions regarding the study). When weighted for supposed number of vaccinations, vaxed people are a slight majority. Mind you, the study does not indicate a causal link. It could just be short run data.

Please post a link to the study you are referencing so we can read it.

 

[leetp]

Please post a link to the study you are referencing so we can read it.

This was the seed article that started me down the path.

But real quick, I need to clean up my earlier statements: the data in question was posted on a CDC website, not an NIH website. And instead of an individual study, it was part of their monthly report.

It is in this article that also cited a study labeling COVID as "A pandemic of vaccinated", which was picked up and reported on by the Washington Post.

As I said before, this could all be largely due to short run data. It doesn't necessarily prove anything. But so too is any notion about COVID vaccine efficacy. It too is based on short run data.

Nevertheless, this data should give you pause. If this were a vaccine for any other virus, it would likely have been pulled or only recommended in the narrowest of cases.

But one thing is clear, unvaccinated people are not filling up emergency rooms. And since the vaccines do not stop transmission, there is absolutely no reason to be guilted into getting a vaccine of such questionable efficacy.

 

[WapPride]

But seriously, save for the elderly (and that is increasingly becoming a stretch) what is the case for the COVID vax at all....seeing as how it does not stop transmission and there is no data to support that getting the vax keeps you from getting the virus? Moreover, did not NIH just release a study indicating that the present bulk of the hospitalizations might actually be in vaccinated people?

Other than big pharma and their lap dogs in government, who is really pro-COVID vax anymore? Surely you all are just trolling?

I'm pro-vaccine and boosters in the at-risk portion of the population. The vaccine doesn't stop the spread, but it does slow infection in the certain strains it was designed for. I haven't followed much of this shit in a while, at least not as thoroughly as i did the last year or two, so maybe there is some new information out there that says otherwise. As you know, the scientific process isn't concrete, it's about doing the best with the information we have at the time, and as we gain new information we adjust and change hypotheses to reflect updated data. I don't think there should be any current mandates, and i'm not taking any boosters unless I have to for travel out of country. I'm not going to dig into the methodology of that NIH study to nitpick, as it's not terribly important to me, so i'll just skip over that. I'm sure there's a reason that the bulk of hospitalized are vaccinated at the moment, i just don't have an answer for it, and don't have the knowledge of the topic to intelligently surmise why that is. Maybe they were being hospitalized for a strain of covid that their booster didn't cover, or maybe it's simply a numbers game since the majority of the US has had at least 1 covid shot (which usually tallies them up under the "vaccinated" status on these reports), instead of having a full up-to-date series of boosters/vaccinations which would have protected them from whatever strain they caught.

idk

 

[leetp]

I'm pro-vaccine and boosters in the at-risk portion of the population. The vaccine doesn't stop the spread, but it does slow infection in the certain strains it was designed for. I haven't followed much of this shit in a while, at least not as thoroughly as i did the last year or two, so maybe there is some new information out there that says otherwise. As you know, the scientific process isn't concrete, it's about doing the best with the information we have at the time, and as we gain new information we adjust and change hypotheses to reflect updated data. I don't think there should be any current mandates, and i'm not taking any boosters unless I have to for travel out of country. I'm not going to dig into the methodology of that NIH study to nitpick, as it's not terribly important to me, so i'll just skip over that. I'm sure there's a reason that the bulk of hospitalized are vaccinated at the moment, i just don't have an answer for it, and don't have the knowledge of the topic to intelligently surmise why that is. Maybe they were being hospitalized for a strain of covid that their booster didn't cover, or maybe it's simply a numbers game since the majority of the US has had at least 1 covid shot (which usually tallies them up under the "vaccinated" status on these reports), instead of having a full up-to-date series of boosters/vaccinations which would have protected them from whatever strain they caught.

idk

Then I'd say we are mostly in agreement on this.

 

[dpic73]

 

[gregorycarlisle]

Amazing. Great job by the Trump admin to get project warp speed in place. Great job by science to develop it. Great job by Biden to distribute it. Great job by those Americans who actually got the shot.

God bless America.

Covid vaccines averted 3 million deaths in U.S., according to new study

Without vaccines, the U.S. would have experienced four times as many Covid-19 deaths in the time since December 2020, a new study finds.

www.statnews.com

Unless u play soccer, or safety.

 

[CU Alumnus]

Amazing. Great job by the Trump admin to get project warp speed in place. Great job by science to develop it. Great job by Biden to distribute it. Great job by those Americans who actually got the shot.

God bless America.

Covid vaccines averted 3 million deaths in U.S., according to new study

Without vaccines, the U.S. would have experienced four times as many Covid-19 deaths in the time since December 2020, a new study finds.

www.statnews.com

It was kinda cool when the nurse said they had to give me a shot in 'that cannonball of a shoulder you have there.'

Was all the thanks I needed.

I will say that my wife is vaccinated and un-boostered and she got COVID earlier this year. I never got it despite being in the house with her. I'm vaccinated and boostered.

Of course my son (unvaccinated) never got it either.

 

[PalmettoTiger1]

Former CDC director now says testing now shows Covid Vaccines are mostly worthless after 12 weeks and you need to take a full blown shot every 10 weeks to stay safe for that specific variant

Now since we are having multiple variants the joke and fun part is we will need to take like 8 shots every 10 weeks and then we will add a new vaccine every few months for the next 20 plus years and longer

So this vaccination thing is really working out for us

The HELL with vaccinations

I am not doing any more

Just catch the SOB and live or die or whatever but the medical bullshit needs to stop

 

[leetp]

Just read a report about recently released and peer-reviewed Harvard research indicating potential dangers of the vax to young people (a good read in it's own right). In this article, another set of research was cited indicating Initial Fatality Rate (IFR) is drastically lower than first reported.

Here's an excerpt:
Age Infection Survival Rate
0-19 99.9997%
20-29 99.997%
30-39 99.989%
40-49 99.965%
50-59 99.871%
60-69 99.499%

The composite IFR for the above is below 0.68%. That's 2 million ppl in a population of 300M. Of course this leaves out everyone 70 and older; but still, how in the world can the vaccine claim saving 3 million lives? It would have had to have saved every single person who passed away from COVID and then some...which is obviously absurd. Which pharmaceutical company wrote this press release?