Trump Admin Includes Atlantic Reporter in Airstrike Plans Group Chat

[BigPapaWhit]

Lots of deflection and what abouts in this thread. This could and should have been 100% avoidable by using basic standard operating procedures. This either was a case of did not know or did not care; both of which are really, really bad in the sphere in which they operate.

 

[UrHuckleberry]

What specific lie? I havent been following close enough to know what you are referencing.

The narrative is about to change.

Authenticity. What you see is what you get.

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His attacks on the source and saying no secret plans through the chat, etc. They've been shared in this thread and don't feel like searching. If you feel like he's been forthcoming and transparent that is your prerogative.

 

[fatpiggy]

This is Day 1, first hour, type stuff

What day did they teach Afghanistan withdrawal?

 

[dpic73]

Lots of deflection and what abouts in this thread. This could and should have been 100% avoidable by using basic standard operating procedures. This either was a case of did not know or did not care; both of which are really, really bad in the sphere in which they operate.

 

[tboonpickens]

I find it disappointing you use insults and character assassination in arguing for your points. Based on that I hear nothing you say.

lol i dare you to apply this approach to Trump

 

[BigPapaWhit]

The Atlantic releases the entire Signal chat showing Hegseth's detailed attack plans against Houthis

The Atlantic has released the entire Signal chat among Trump senior national security officials. It shows that Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth provided the exact times of warplane launches and when bombs would drop — before the men and women flying those attacks against Yemen's Houthis this month on

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Article, interestingly, points out that the CJCS was not included in the chat. Too many reasons to speculate why. But it just seems natural they would be included.

 

[tigres88]

I find it disappointing you use insults and character assassination in arguing for your points. Based on that I hear nothing you say.

I said he got less than 50% of the popular vote.

I know he's unqualified because he was only ever a colonel (I think?) and was working as a TV show host. He is also a raging alcoholic. He is also a rapist and serial adulterer

It's not character assassination when every single point is, a fact? And other than perhaps "raging alcoholic" every other thing he said are proven and proveable, and the rapist accusation is just about as close to proven as possible.

 

[fatpiggy]

His attacks on the source and saying no secret plans through the chat, etc. They've been shared in this thread and don't feel like searching. If you feel like he's been forthcoming and transparent that is your prerogative.

Im not trying to be rude. Ive just been really busy past couple days and don't know all the details.

 

[UrHuckleberry]

Im not trying to be rude. Ive just been really busy past couple days and don't know all the details.

I hear ya. All good.

 

[fatpiggy]

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Dont shoot the messenger, just posting what he said. I havent been able to follow closely.

 

[uuuuuuuuuuuuuuu]

Dont shoot the messenger, just posting what he said. I havent been able to follow closely.

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Except it did incude methods and timing of when specific methods would be used. Why didn't Hegseth tweet out the plans if they weren't anything?

Pathetic excuses and lies.

To give an example, "15:36 F-18 2nd Strike Starts- also, first sea-based Tomahawks launched." No targets are mentioned? Doesn't matter, the enemy knows what you may target because it's his, and now he knows when and how.

 

[Spencer_York]

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Jamelle Bouie has a good article about this phenomenon, and others have discussed it as well. Basically the Trump people think all the opposition to them is fake and not real so they don't see the big deal in lying

 

[dpic73]

Jamelle Bouie has a good article about this phenomenon, and others have discussed it as well. Basically the Trump people think all the opposition to them is fake and not real so they don't see the big deal in lying

The volume and speed of their propaganda machine is something to behold.

 

[uuuuuuuuuuuuuuu]

The volume and speed of their propaganda machine is something to behold.

The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.

 

[fatpiggy]

Jamelle Bouie has a good article about this phenomenon, and others have discussed it as well. Basically the Trump people think all the opposition to them is fake and not real so they don't see the big deal in lying

Well, those are the consequences of being the boy that cried wolf.

 

[tboonpickens]

lol even Barstool dude thinks someone should be fired

 

[PontificatingUnifex]

Jamelle Bouie has a good article about this phenomenon, and others have discussed it as well. Basically the Trump people think all the opposition to them is fake and not real so they don't see the big deal in lying

Its a cult

 

[PontificatingUnifex]

Well, those are the consequences of being the boy that cried wolf.

No, the bubble that was created by Fox News 24hr cycle plus Rush Limbaugh back in the day has created an incredibly insular information funnel. It’s hard to get out of a cult when youve been trained for decades to believe the other side is your enemy not just regular Americans with a different world view.

 

[Spencer_York]

lol even Barstool dude thinks someone should be fired

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They're having Waltz fall on his sword to protect everyone else

 

[BigPapaWhit]

They're having Waltz fall on his sword to protect everyone else

Well it was his fault…


that they got caught.

 

[Spencer_York]

Well it was his fault…


that they got caught.

Oh don't worry, the scuttlebutt from the WH press secretary is that it doesn't matter because Goldberg is a registered Dem, his wife is a registered Dem, and his wife worked for Hillary. It is apparently all just a hoax

 

[Spencer_York]

No, the bubble that was created by Fox News 24hr cycle plus Rush Limbaugh back in the day has created an incredibly insular information funnel. It’s hard to get out of a cult when youve been trained for decades to believe the other side is your enemy not just regular Americans with a different world view.

The 24 hour news cycle and the RW media ecosystem are two of the worst things to happen to this country

 

[PalmettoTiger1]

Question for you and @fatpiggy, I keep seeing it being used by this and the previous administration. I would think that cell phones, text messaging, maybe WhatsApp, etc are all used by both administrations so I'm confused as to what that has to do with anything? It would only matter if certain apps or means of communications were approved for this type of communication. Text messaging is allowed communication. Just not for OPSEC type matters. Would think it would be the same for Signal right?

To be fair about this mess if we can call it that

Let’s just set the stage about written records and most communications at that level of government

I will not say I know the exact details of what needs to be preserved but typically written and electronic communications need preserving

One problem with that and it had been in every administration forever is the use of private unmonitored electronic eqipment

Biden had secret email accounts and you can go back on every administration and find the same

To put this into further perspective Trump was on a phone conversation speaking to Ukraine officials and the Vidman dude claimed as a whistleblower that Trump was doing something wrong

I listened to the recording of the conversation and Trump said nothing even close to being not a good conversation

Nancy Pelosi blew it up and used the conversation to claim an Impeachment violation

So unethical and corrupt

But back to the issue at hand

The communications folks need to take a look at the system and figure out a solution

I can say for myself that no one in the chat did anything wrong based on what I have seen heard or read

The only issue was the journalist was added by accident to chat

The hysteria about that is really overblown

Does it need to be fixed yes

Do people need to be fired

Nope

Just fix the system

Trump and his staff are doing great

That is what is making the critics furious

The Democrats have no policy or ideas plans etc

Just got to scream at Republicans

I would vote for a Democrat with great ideas

Problem is they are too busy bad mouthing pubs snd doing nothing on policies the majority of Americans want addressed

The Republicans are and people are going to them and will be voting gor them

If the Democrats want to be liked and get votes then do what the American public wants

 

[PalmettoTiger1]

Lots of deflection and what abouts in this thread. This could and should have been 100% avoidable by using basic standard operating procedures. This either was a case of did not know or did not care; both of which are really, really bad in the sphere in which they operate.

Or this was poorly defined and needs to have a process defined and followed

Past administrations did the same process

Clearly it has flaws

 

[UrHuckleberry]

To be fair about this mess if we can call it that

Let’s just set the stage about written records and most communications at that level of government

I will not say I know the exact details of what needs to be preserved but typically written and electronic communications need preserving

One problem with that and it had been in every administration forever is the use of private unmonitored electronic eqipment

Biden had secret email accounts and you can go back on every administration and find the same

To put this into further perspective Trump was on a phone conversation speaking to Ukraine officials and the Vidman dude claimed as a whistleblower that Trump was doing something wrong

I listened to the recording of the conversation and Trump said nothing even close to being not a good conversation

Nancy Pelosi blew it up and used the conversation to claim an Impeachment violation

So unethical and corrupt

But back to the issue at hand

The communications folks need to take a look at the system and figure out a solution

I can say for myself that no one in the chat did anything wrong based on what I have seen heard or read

The only issue was the journalist was added by accident to chat

The hysteria about that is really overblown

Does it need to be fixed yes

Do people need to be fired

Nope

Just fix the system

Trump and his staff are doing great

That is what is making the critics furious

The Democrats have no policy or ideas plans etc

Just got to scream at Republicans

I would vote for a Democrat with great ideas

Problem is they are too busy bad mouthing pubs snd doing nothing on policies the majority of Americans want addressed

The Republicans are and people are going to them and will be voting gor them

If the Democrats want to be liked and get votes then do what the American public wants

That sentence structure is brutal to follow. That aside, I will just say that we have different perspectives on a number of events. But hope you have a good one.

 

[PalmettoTiger1]

This so called crisis is good fodder for the Democrats to be crazy for about 1 to 2 more days

After that they go back to being the party of No and nothing with no ideas hating on the public and being name callers

Dam people can anyone in the Democratic party come up with a positive idea

Lets tru give everybody a Golden Retriever Puppy

 

[PalmettoTiger1]

That sentence structure is brutal to follow. That aside, I will just say that we have different perspectives on a number of events. But hope you have a good one.

typing on my iphone

sorry about that as i am a key pecker

You will be happier in your life if you learn to think beyond the TI political flash mob that loves to go TDS viral

Trump is winning and winning big

There is going to be lots of butt hurting judges in a month or so

So get ready to join the hollaring herd

 

[UrHuckleberry]

typing on my iphone

sorry about that as i am a key pecker

You will be happier in your life if you learn to think beyond the TI political flash mob that loves to go TDS viral

Trump is winning and winning big

There is going to be lots of butt hurting judges in a month or so

So get ready to join the hollaring herd

I hear you. I definitely think I'd be happier if I just believed everything Trump said was true and legit. Would be simpler for me no doubt.

 

[hopefultiger13]

They do not owe those senate dem mofos a book level explanation. Since when are any real answers to questions provided in the congressional hearings?

I agree, but do you think that maybe they owe an explanation to the American People? I mean they were chatting over their phones about American military ops before said ops took place. And the app they were using was never supposed to have sensitive info on it. As I said above, I don't know that this specific instance is that big a deal myself, but I do think that it's concerning that so many high clearance guys were chatting about sensitive info on an app that they weren't supposed to be using to discuss said info.

My problem is that the Sec of Defense somehow thinks that this is the fault of the reporter. He basically said the dude was deceitful and peddled in garbage. I don't know the reporter, so fair enough, I guess. But my question remains, so there's this reporter that apparently is a bad guy and everyone in the administration hates. So why exactly was this guy invited into your chat about upcoming American Military ops again? And how come this "bad guy" was the one who brought it to your attention? NO ONE noticed that he was even there? Hell, he removed HIMSELF from the group.

 

[UrHuckleberry]

Regardless of your political affiliation, this should make you laugh.

 

[PalmettoTiger1]

I hear you. I definitely think I'd be happier if I just believed everything Trump said was true and legit. Would be simpler for me no doubt.

I have lived by this saying

You can either believe everything is a lie and figure out who is telling the truth

OR

You can believe everything is the truth and figure out who is lying

I am very good at both

Politics can be very upsetting

Practice Stoicism (an ancient Greek theology) and you will be fine

 

[PalmettoTiger1]

It's not character assassination when every single point is, a fact? And other than perhaps "raging alcoholic" every other thing he said are proven and proveable, and the rapist accusation is just about as close to proven as possible.

Your facts are YOUR FACTS LOL

 

[TheValley91]

lol I mean we could all see how this would unfold from the beginning. Like watching little kids try to cover up a lie to their parents.

 

[tboonpickens]

Your facts are YOUR FACTS LOL

get help man. you don't have to live your life in a cult. think about what Jesus taught and then think about the disgusting people you've decided to align yourself with here.

 

[dpic73]

What specific lie? I havent been following close enough to know what you are referencing.

The narrative is about to change.

Authenticity. What you see is what you get.

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OOPS!

 

[yoshi121374]

OOPS!

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It their mouths are moving....

 

[WapPride]

Guys, Idk about yall, but I think some of these hires may be incompetent.

 

[tigres88]

Guys, Idk about yall, but I think some of these hires may be incompetent.

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The Maga crew here has stated that this whole thread has been quite the anti-maga circle jerk. And they're not WRONG in some ways.

But the truth is literally EVERYONE knew how unqualified, buffoonish and irresponsible all of these hires have been by the trump administration. Everyone knew something like this was bound to happen.

These unqualified conspiracy theorists who trump has surrounded himself will keep doing absolutely dumb sh*t like this for four years, or they'll button up. Which looks quite alot like what Maga had been pissed about forever (the Swamp/elites/the establishment etc).

There's a reason professionalism and decorum and the way things have worked for a long time have worked- Cuz you gotta be careful and follow some rules when you lead the free world, and these dumb fvcks are going to learn.

 

[uuuuuuuuuuuuuuu]

I agree, but do you think that maybe they owe an explanation to the American People? I mean they were chatting over their phones about American military ops before said ops took place. And the app they were using was never supposed to have sensitive info on it. As I said above, I don't know that this specific instance is that big a deal myself, but I do think that it's concerning that so many high clearance guys were chatting about sensitive info on an app that they weren't supposed to be using to discuss said info.

My problem is that the Sec of Defense somehow thinks that this is the fault of the reporter. He basically said the dude was deceitful and peddled in garbage. I don't know the reporter, so fair enough, I guess. But my question remains, so there's this reporter that apparently is a bad guy and everyone in the administration hates. So why exactly was this guy invited into your chat about upcoming American Military ops again? And how come this "bad guy" was the one who brought it to your attention? NO ONE noticed that he was even there? Hell, he removed HIMSELF from the group.

Hegseth is an intelligent person who is apparently too blinded by personal political and religious obsessions to do his job in a serious way. He has "Deus Vult" and another Crusader symbol tattooed on him. He recently got a another tattoo saying kafir, or infidel, in Arabic. You don't work for Urban II moron.

He wrote a book that pins our failures in Afghanistan on our overly strict rules of engagement, as if the whole problem there was that we didn't kill enough Muslim terrorists. That's the lens in which he seems to view the world.

 

[dpic73]

The Maga crew here has stated that this whole thread has been quite the anti-maga circle jerk. And they're not WRONG in some ways.

But the truth is literally EVERYONE knew how unqualified, buffoonish and irresponsible all of these hires have been by the trump administration. Everyone knew something like this was bound to happen.

These unqualified conspiracy theorists who trump has surrounded himself will keep doing absolutely dumb sh*t like this for four years, or they'll button up. Which looks quite alot like what Maga had been pissed about forever (the Swamp/elites/the establishment etc).

There's a reason professionalism and decorum and the way things have worked for a long time have worked- Cuz you gotta be careful and follow some rules when you lead the free world, and these dumb fvcks are going to learn.