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Trump and Elon Scuffle

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I hate that it occurred but think they will patch it up and come back together in the end. This analysis is probably near the mark.



My understanding of the OBBB situation:

The bill has lots of things that advance Trump’s agenda, like tax cuts, finishing the wall, etc., but there is a lot of pork added in by Congress.

However, it’s a budget reconciliation bill, so we only need 50 votes as opposed to 60 in the Senate, so Trump and his team are willing to let Congress get their pork, so long as Trump is able to pass what is needed to advance his agenda.

Elon doesn’t like the extra pork and wants to slim it down, and Trump just wants to get his bill passed so he can fix pressing problems.

I can see both sides of the argument. I can see why Elon wants to slim it down, and I can also see why Trump is okay with sacrificing some pork in exchange for getting what he needs to secure the border, mass deportations with the 10,000 new ICE agents, etc., because getting these things passed with the 60 vote rule in the Senate will be impossible, so Trump wants to add it all into the budget reconciliation bill so he can squeeze it past the senate without needing a single Democrat vote.

What I do NOT understand, is why this disagreement is playing out publicly. Seems like something that could have been solved behind closed doors, which leads me to believe that there may be an element of political theater going on.

For what purpose, I do not know, but I find it hard to believe Elon would jeopardize the ongoing war against the Deep State for his own personal agenda.

In conclusion, I have no idea what to do, and the higher ups need to figure their shit out.

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I think there is less going on here than we think. Elon is a great autistic genius which makes him great at engineering problems.

Politics is not engineering and requires horse trading. Trump is a good horse trader. Elon never was.

Elon is a single issue citizen, Trump is not.

Elon is a free speech and truth absolutist. He will say what he thinks is true no matter what the situation is. This makes him great at building things and horrible at politics.
 
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I hate that it occurred but think they will patch it up and come back together in the end. This analysis is probably near the mark.



My understanding of the OBBB situation:

The bill has lots of things that advance Trump’s agenda, like tax cuts, finishing the wall, etc., but there is a lot of pork added in by Congress.

However, it’s a budget reconciliation bill, so we only need 50 votes as opposed to 60 in the Senate, so Trump and his team are willing to let Congress get their pork, so long as Trump is able to pass what is needed to advance his agenda.

Elon doesn’t like the extra pork and wants to slim it down, and Trump just wants to get his bill passed so he can fix pressing problems.

I can see both sides of the argument. I can see why Elon wants to slim it down, and I can also see why Trump is okay with sacrificing some pork in exchange for getting what he needs to secure the border, mass deportations with the 10,000 new ICE agents, etc., because getting these things passed with the 60 vote rule in the Senate will be impossible, so Trump wants to add it all into the budget reconciliation bill so he can squeeze it past the senate without needing a single Democrat vote.

What I do NOT understand, is why this disagreement is playing out publicly. Seems like something that could have been solved behind closed doors, which leads me to believe that there may be an element of political theater going on.

For what purpose, I do not know, but I find it hard to believe Elon would jeopardize the ongoing war against the Deep State for his own personal agenda.

In conclusion, I have no idea what to do, and the higher ups need to figure their shit out.

===

I think there is less going on here than we think. Elon is a great autistic genius which makes him great at engineering problems.

Politics is not engineering and requires horse trading. Trump is a good horse trader. Elon never was.

Elon is a single issue citizen, Trump is not.

Elon is a free speech and truth absolutist. He will say what he thinks is true no matter what the situation is. This makes him great at building things and horrible at politics.
I agree that this post is probably closer to the truth than not. I don't like the public fight via X or whatever, but, conflicts happen when big boys are trying to do big stuff and you have a couple type A people wanting things exactly their way. It doesn't help that both elon and trump have egos the size of the universe and that elon is on the spectrum. Shit happens. Most of the time when thing get too far into stupid territory things get walked back when all parties take a second to re-focus back on the big picture.

The market is taking all this in stride and we're haveing a monster friday!
 
I agree that this post is probably closer to the truth than not. I don't like the public fight via X or whatever, but, conflicts happen when big boys are trying to do big stuff and you have a couple type A people wanting things exactly their way. It doesn't help that both elon and trump have egos the size of the universe and that elon is on the spectrum. Shit happens. Most of the time when thing get too far into stupid territory things get walked back when all parties take a second to re-focus back on the big picture.

The market is taking all this in stride and we're haveing a monster friday!
The reality is both of them needs what the other provides, so it would be stupid to carry this feud too far. That doesn't mean that I approve of Elon wrapping his tentacles around every government institution but he already has to an extent and there would be national security issues if his contracts were cancelled now. And since he's the only one with the power and influence to match Trump, Trump needs him as much as Elon needs him. I predict they'll kiss and make up.

 
The reality is both of them needs what the other provides, so it would be stupid to carry this feud too far. That doesn't mean that I approve of Elon wrapping his tentacles around every government institution but he already has to an extent and there would be national security issues if his contracts were cancelled now. And since he's the only one with the power and influence to match Trump, Trump needs him as much as Elon needs him. I predict they'll kiss and make up.

I 100% agree. I think they've already reached the "too far" part. With the egos involved (and elons autism) it pretty much went there right off the bat. I dont' think conflicts like this are somehow new to humanithy or unique to Elon and Trump. The walls of congress and the White House have probably heard more "Fvck you's or "Fvck him's" than is possible to count. It's just that now we have social media and we're talking two people who pretty much let things fly, so we get the public spectacle.

It'll be over by next week.
 
I 100% agree. I think they've already reached the "too far" part. With the egos involved (and elons autism) it pretty much went there right off the bat. I dont' think conflicts like this are somehow new to humanithy or unique to Elon and Trump. The walls of congress and the White House have probably heard more "Fvck you's or "Fvck him's" than is possible to count. It's just that now we have social media and we're talking two people who pretty much let things fly, so we get the public spectacle.

It'll be over by next week.
While I don't think it is good for the nation, it unequivocally has resulted in great content.
 
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