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Trump lost because he did not run as well as other Republican candidates, not because of Cheating

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Trump was beaten in many states including Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Georgia because he didn't run as well as other republican candidates. In Georgia Trump received 2,461,854 votes. Biden received 12,000 more but Republicans running for congress received 30,000 more than Trump. And Perdue received more votes than Trump in the general election.
In Wisconsin Biden received 1,630,866 votes which was 20,000 more than Trump. But Republicans running for congress received 1,661,399 vote, 30,000 more than Biden and 50,000 more than Trump.
In Pennsylvania Biden received 3,459,923 votes which was 80,000 more votes than Trump. Republicans running for congress in Pennsylvania received 50,000 more votes than Trump.
In Maine and Nebraska, Republican senators, Cohen and Sasse received more votes than Trump. This proves that Trump didn't win because Republicans split their tickets and voted for some republican candidates but didn't vote for Trump. Now, thats a helluva cheating theory.
 
Trump was beaten in many states including Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Georgia because he didn't run as well as other republican candidates. In Georgia Trump received 2,461,854 votes. Biden received 12,000 more but Republicans running for congress received 30,000 more than Trump. And Perdue received more votes than Trump in the general election.
In Wisconsin Biden received 1,630,866 votes which was 20,000 more than Trump. But Republicans running for congress received 1,661,399 vote, 30,000 more than Biden and 50,000 more than Trump.
In Pennsylvania Biden received 3,459,923 votes which was 80,000 more votes than Trump. Republicans running for congress in Pennsylvania received 50,000 more votes than Trump.
In Maine and Nebraska, Republican senators, Cohen and Sasse received more votes than Trump. This proves that Trump didn't win because Republicans split their tickets and voted for some republican candidates but didn't vote for Trump. Now, thats a helluva cheating theory.
I see what you did there. Nice try but Biden's unregistered votes came from Democrat districts that cheated. There were no Republican votes from those districts. They simply kept producing ballots until they had enough for him to win. It was a total scam. Now you can go back to your drawing board and try again.
 
One thing is sure. Trump has "conned and convinced" many of this fraud. I hope he ends up in prison where he belongs. He has over thirty lawsuits to contend with over the next few years.
 
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Trump was beaten in many states including Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Georgia because he didn't run as well as other republican candidates. In Georgia Trump received 2,461,854 votes. Biden received 12,000 more but Republicans running for congress received 30,000 more than Trump. And Perdue received more votes than Trump in the general election.
In Wisconsin Biden received 1,630,866 votes which was 20,000 more than Trump. But Republicans running for congress received 1,661,399 vote, 30,000 more than Biden and 50,000 more than Trump.
In Pennsylvania Biden received 3,459,923 votes which was 80,000 more votes than Trump. Republicans running for congress in Pennsylvania received 50,000 more votes than Trump.
In Maine and Nebraska, Republican senators, Cohen and Sasse received more votes than Trump. This proves that Trump didn't win because Republicans split their tickets and voted for some republican candidates but didn't vote for Trump. Now, thats a helluva cheating theory.

Woody drinking hard this weekend and got happy!!
 
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I see what you did there. Nice try but Biden's unregistered votes came from Democrat districts that cheated. There were no Republican votes from those districts. They simply kept producing ballots until they had enough for him to win. It was a total scam. Now you can go back to your drawing board and try again.
Let me try to simplify this for you. There are Republican votes in every district, even those that vote heavily Democratic. When you add them all up, Republicans ran better than Trump. So what you are saying is that the fraudulent votes also voted for Republican congressional candidates? I mean, get your head out of your ass. The only person who says the election was stolen is a compulsive liar who also said Ted Cruz cheated him in Iowa during the caucuses in 2016 and who said Hillary Clinton cheated in 2016 to win the popular vote. You do remember he even appointed a commission to look into Hillary's cheating. Its funny we never ever heard a word from that commission. And you fools continue to believe the only guy to lose the House, the Senate, and the White House in four years since Herbert Hoover. Trump is not only a loser, he is the biggest loser in 88 years.
 
Trump was beaten in many states including Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Georgia because he didn't run as well as other republican candidates. In Georgia Trump received 2,461,854 votes. Biden received 12,000 more but Republicans running for congress received 30,000 more than Trump. And Perdue received more votes than Trump in the general election.
In Wisconsin Biden received 1,630,866 votes which was 20,000 more than Trump. But Republicans running for congress received 1,661,399 vote, 30,000 more than Biden and 50,000 more than Trump.
In Pennsylvania Biden received 3,459,923 votes which was 80,000 more votes than Trump. Republicans running for congress in Pennsylvania received 50,000 more votes than Trump.
In Maine and Nebraska, Republican senators, Cohen and Sasse received more votes than Trump. This proves that Trump didn't win because Republicans split their tickets and voted for some republican candidates but didn't vote for Trump. Now, thats a helluva cheating theory.

It is so hard for people to believe that Trump lost because there are Republicans who just do not like him. I don't understand why this is so hard to believe.

He likely would have lost vs Biden in 2016. He won because Hillary was so damn unpopular.
 
It's embarrassing that some Republicans can't accept this. There are a ton of people out there who lean right, maybe even support Trump's policies, but couldn't vote for him. Or perhaps their political leanings shifted left as a reaction to their feelings toward Trump.

We're not going to win again until we stop with the "stolen election" crap and focus on how to win back voters, like the ones pointed out in the OP that possibly split their ticket.
 
Let me try to simplify this for you. There are Republican votes in every district, even those that vote heavily Democratic. When you add them all up, Republicans ran better than Trump. So what you are saying is that the fraudulent votes also voted for Republican congressional candidates? I mean, get your head out of your ass. The only person who says the election was stolen is a compulsive liar who also said Ted Cruz cheated him in Iowa during the caucuses in 2016 and who said Hillary Clinton cheated in 2016 to win the popular vote. You do remember he even appointed a commission to look into Hillary's cheating. Its funny we never ever heard a word from that commission. And you fools continue to believe the only guy to lose the House, the Senate, and the White House in four years since Herbert Hoover. Trump is not only a loser, he is the biggest loser in 88 years.

Is this about Trump or election fraud?

The evidence is clear that the Democrats used covid protocols to abuse mail in votes in order to win the general and senate seat run off in Georgia which BTW had nothing to do with Trump and everything to do with Democrats master plan to create massive numbers of unregistered ballots.

you said
"you fools"
and
"get your head out of your ass"

cuz you mad right?
 
Trump was beaten in many states including Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Georgia because he didn't run as well as other republican candidates. In Georgia Trump received 2,461,854 votes. Biden received 12,000 more but Republicans running for congress received 30,000 more than Trump. And Perdue received more votes than Trump in the general election.
In Wisconsin Biden received 1,630,866 votes which was 20,000 more than Trump. But Republicans running for congress received 1,661,399 vote, 30,000 more than Biden and 50,000 more than Trump.
In Pennsylvania Biden received 3,459,923 votes which was 80,000 more votes than Trump. Republicans running for congress in Pennsylvania received 50,000 more votes than Trump.
In Maine and Nebraska, Republican senators, Cohen and Sasse received more votes than Trump. This proves that Trump didn't win because Republicans split their tickets and voted for some republican candidates but didn't vote for Trump. Now, thats a helluva cheating theory.
Trump didn't lose. He would have had to receive fewer legitimate votes to have lost. He won by incredibly large margins of the lawful vote. Republicans aren't as good at cheating as the democrats. the democrats are like SEC recruiting...there is no code of ethics. They are filthy scum. They have no honor or redeeming values. that is the truth.
 
So, then how did Republican down ballot candidates receive more votes than Trump and in some cases more votes than Biden? Hint: the answer is ballot splitting.
 
So, then how did Republican down ballot candidates receive more votes than Trump and in some cases more votes than Biden? Hint: the answer is ballot splitting.
Let’s see the numbers with no down ballot votes.
 
So, then how did Republican down ballot candidates receive more votes than Trump and in some cases more votes than Biden? Hint: the answer is ballot splitting.

You are simple Woody. That is all. Its already been mentioned that tens of thousands if not more of ballots in these crucial swing states only had the presidential ticket filled out and all for Biden. Plus there are only a very few deluded number of establishment repubs that would split their vote. Furthermore the vote was not split in most states, but only the swing states where Trump lost under very dubious circumstances in the middle of the night.
 
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It's embarrassing that some Republicans can't accept this. There are a ton of people out there who lean right, maybe even support Trump's policies, but couldn't vote for him. Or perhaps their political leanings shifted left as a reaction to their feelings toward Trump.

We're not going to win again until we stop with the "stolen election" crap and focus on how to win back voters, like the ones pointed out in the OP that possibly split their ticket.

I am sure you are not a happy guy then. I think you and I probably agree on 90+ percent of issues on governance, but on Trump we diverge. I am sure that you are aware Trump still is the powerbroker in the republican party? Its not just some republicans that feel the election was stolen. Hopefully you saw the rasmussen report that I linked showing that 51% overall think dems stole the election to include 30% of dems polled. You are in a conundrum I guess. Trump will run again in 2024 and hopefully the elections will be fair. You going to vote for him if/when that happens?
 
You are simple Woody. That is all. Its already been mentioned that tens of thousands if not more of ballots in these crucial swing states only had the presidential ticket filled out and all for Biden. Plus there are only a very few deluded number of establishment repubs that would split their vote. Furthermore the vote was not split in most states, but only the swing states where Trump lost under very dubious circumstances in the middle of the night.
Woody doesn't like to deal with information that doesn't fit his narrative....
 
Growls and Green Beans, I have to confuse you with some facts. In Wisconsin, Trump received 1,610,184 votes. Repubs running for Congress in Wisconsin received 1,661,399 votes or or 51,215 more votes than Trump. Had Trump received these votes he would total 1,661,399 votes to Biden's 1,630,866 votes. In other words Trump would have won except for those people who voted for Republican Congressmen who did not vote for him.
In Georgis Trump received 2,461,854 votes. Republicans running for Congress received 2,490,396 votes which is 28,542 more votes than Trump received. Had Trump received these votes he would have beaten Biden who received 2,473,633 votes. I did not check all the states, but in Maine, Republican, Susan Collins received 57,000 more votes than Trump and in Nebraska, Republican, Ben Sasse received 583,000 + to Trump's 557,000- votes. In other words ballot splitting cost Trump both Wisconsin and Georgia and it was evident in non swing states. So, whats the new story? Maybe Dems stole the election with fraudulent votes but voted for Republican down ballot candidates.
 
Since I posted the Republican vote totals two days ago Growls and Green Beans have been silent on the election fraud. What say you in response? Lets keep this going. It's fun.
 
It's embarrassing that some Republicans can't accept this. There are a ton of people out there who lean right, maybe even support Trump's policies, but couldn't vote for him. Or perhaps their political leanings shifted left as a reaction to their feelings toward Trump.

We're not going to win again until we stop with the "stolen election" crap and focus on how to win back voters, like the ones pointed out in the OP that possibly split their ticket.
We are not going to win again until we fix the fraud that allowed Democrats to steel two senate seats in GA.

Also until we get out of our own way. Republicans who didn't support Trump did more than not just support Trump. They violated the Constitution and participated in a palace coup with all the TRump Russian Collusion crap. Moreover, they played the resist card with Democrats. Not because Trump was bad but because they didn't agree with his less than NEOCON position with Russia in Syria. That by itself should be reason enough to tell those Republicans to sit down. Enjoy your Democrat Party. The party that systematically burned, rioted and looted for four years because Orange Man BAd.
 
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Since I posted the Republican vote totals two days ago Growls and Green Beans have been silent on the election fraud. What say you in response? Lets keep this going. It's fun.
Let me explain something to you.

NOthing changes the fact that Democrats created massive illegal votes from their Democrat controlled districts. It doesn't matter how many votes Trump got and he got more than any other REpublican EVER. Democrats had a system in place to overtake him. They cheated.
 
So, then how did Republican down ballot candidates receive more votes than Trump and in some cases more votes than Biden? Hint: the answer is ballot splitting.
Some of us have jobs. Some of us even have demanding jobs and can ill afford a bunch of idle time on internet forums. Let's cut to the chase. You are entrenched in your own bias and wouldn't acknowledge any facts or argument put forth by someone holding a different opinion than yourself. Therefore, I am not going to waste my time on you.

Of course, I have my own views. Unlike you, I am willing to change my position. The audits that are just beginning in various states and localities will be the deciding factor for me. I expect that significant fraud to be revealed. If significant enough fraud were in fact uncovered, do you have enough integrity to acknowledge? Or will you come up with a litany of excuses? You answer here will reveal your character for all to see.

If at the conclusion of forensic audits material fraud doesn't exist, I will acknowledge and change my opinion. Until then, I hold my strong opinion that very significant and substantial fraud occurred--enough to overturn the election.
 
Biden destroyed obama's numbers. Let that sink in. An 80 year old white man with dementia. The CCCP virus allowed Democrats to run a wide open mass mail in ballot election. That's what did trump in. I'm not saying trump isn't at fault because he should have done a better job of playing the game democrats played. At this point it doesn't matter. The people that voted for Biden aligned perfectly with the communist party of china and north korea and iran. Those 3 countries absolutely wanted biden to win. Aligning with those 3 countries is never good.
 
Trump didn't lose. He would have had to receive fewer legitimate votes to have lost. He won by incredibly large margins of the lawful vote. Republicans aren't as good at cheating as the democrats. the democrats are like SEC recruiting...there is no code of ethics. They are filthy scum. They have no honor or redeeming values. that is the truth.

Got any evidence? You know something that will stand up in court? Of course you don't... Donald Trump... the smartest, bestest, President that we've ever had who KNEW that the election was going to be rigged for months before the election couldn't find a single piece of evidence that could convince even the judges that HE appointed that there was fraud? Really? His hand picked election security guy said there's no fraud. His hand picked AG said there's no fraud. The conservative majority SCOTUS (including 3 justices HE appointed) refused to even hear the case. Life long Republicans that supported Trump said there's no fraud. I don't know what to say, b/c if the situation were reversed and the Dems were bitching about something like this, you'd be laughing your ass off (and rightfully so).

The REAL bottom line here is that you believe it, b/c Donald Trump told you that you believe it. And that's ALL it takes. If Donald Trump says it's so, it is so.
 
Got any evidence? You know something that will stand up in court? Of course you don't... Donald Trump... the smartest, bestest, President that we've ever had who KNEW that the election was going to be rigged for months before the election couldn't find a single piece of evidence that could convince even the judges that HE appointed that there was fraud? Really? His hand picked election security guy said there's no fraud. His hand picked AG said there's no fraud. The conservative majority SCOTUS (including 3 justices HE appointed) refused to even hear the case. Life long Republicans that supported Trump said there's no fraud. I don't know what to say, b/c if the situation were reversed and the Dems were bitching about something like this, you'd be laughing your ass off (and rightfully so).

The REAL bottom line here is that you believe it, b/c Donald Trump told you that you believe it. And that's ALL it takes. If Donald Trump says it's so, it is so.

China, north korea, iran and the Democrats got exactly what they wanted. The 2020 election was a huge win for communism across the globe
 
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Dude, Donald Trump would sell every American to the Chinese if the price were right.

Maybe he would but at least he tried to take on china. No other president republican or democrat has. Unfortunately it cost him because of the virus that was brought to us and the rest of the world by way of the CCP.

Think about it though. None of our adversaries wanted biden to win more than china, north korea and iran. What a group to be aligned with.
 
Got any evidence? You know something that will stand up in court? Of course you don't... Donald Trump... the smartest, bestest, President that we've ever had who KNEW that the election was going to be rigged for months before the election couldn't find a single piece of evidence that could convince even the judges that HE appointed that there was fraud? Really? His hand picked election security guy said there's no fraud. His hand picked AG said there's no fraud. The conservative majority SCOTUS (including 3 justices HE appointed) refused to even hear the case. Life long Republicans that supported Trump said there's no fraud. I don't know what to say, b/c if the situation were reversed and the Dems were bitching about something like this, you'd be laughing your ass off (and rightfully so).

The REAL bottom line here is that you believe it, b/c Donald Trump told you that you believe it. And that's ALL it takes. If Donald Trump says it's so, it is so.
I believe it because of what I saw. Not because of anything Trump did. I don't think Trump knew how to fix it or prevent it so all of your reasons although true, don't actually tell the truth. Trump just didn't have the right people in place to take the appropriate actions. This was reported multiple times by National Review and the WSJ while it was unfolding. Trump got run over by the Democrats who cheated on a massive scale. The fact that SCOTUS was conservative had nothing to do with Trump's failure to file the proper legal papers.
 
Dude, Donald Trump would sell every American to the Chinese if the price were right.
Actually this view doesn't make any sense at all. I think Trump cared too much about our trade deficit with China which is why he went on a trade war with China that limited the gains in our economy during his 4 years.
 
Actually this view doesn't make any sense at all. I think Trump cared too much about our trade deficit with China which is why he went on a trade war with China that limited the gains in our economy during his 4 years.
As I've posted several times on here, I don't have a problem with Trump's China or Mid East policy. My post was that Trump would sell you out to the highest bidder if it made him money.
 
I believe it because of what I saw. Not because of anything Trump did. I don't think Trump knew how to fix it or prevent it so all of your reasons although true, don't actually tell the truth. Trump just didn't have the right people in place to take the appropriate actions. This was reported multiple times by National Review and the WSJ while it was unfolding. Trump got run over by the Democrats who cheated on a massive scale. The fact that SCOTUS was conservative had nothing to do with Trump's failure to file the proper legal papers.

And what exactly did you see? Did you see any ballot boxes being stuffed? Did you see the life long Republicans that said there was no fraud taking a bribe? Did you see poll workers around the country cheating their fellow Americans? If you did, some evidence would have REALLY helped your cause. Bottom line is, you didn't see shit. You listened to Trump and his pet legal idiots when they said there was all this evidence (which never really turned up, did it). That's what you saw... Donald Trump and company lying to you.

I DEFINITELY agree that Trump didn't have the right people around him to win the election AND provide the legal chops to at least not look like a bunch of ass clowns. Who picked those people? Who surrounded himself with these idiots?

With a pandemic raging and the country practically BEGGING to be unified, Trump chose to continually divide us by casting doubt on his own hand picked experts and continually disparaging and undermining efforts to slow the pandemic. A MORON could have gotten reelected in a landslide in that environment. All Trump had to to was stand there and look Presidential... Maybe say some things about working together to get through this and make some noise about how badly he feels about his fellow Americans suffering. But Trump HAD to run that mouth because... well he can't seem to help himself. And it cost him what should have been an EASY win.

And yet again, where's the evidence of this massive cheating? Got anything that would stand up in court? Neither does Trump. Despite your "massive cheating" claims, apparently Democrats, let by a senile old man pulled off the perfect crime right under Donald Trump's nose without leaving any evidence that would stand up in court. Is that what you are saying? Donald Trump despite being the most powerful man in the world, wasn't good enough to find ANYTHING?

OR maybe, just maybe. Donald Trump wasn't quite as smart as he thought he was. MAYBE, he didn't actually have the best ideas. Maybe he didn't hire the best people. Maybe he spent a little too much time on the golf course and had a little too much "executive time" (that means watching TV... FoxNews). And not enough time actually doing his job. Maybe he simply got that ass beat.
 
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Maybe he would but at least he tried to take on china. No other president republican or democrat has. Unfortunately it cost him because of the virus that was brought to us and the rest of the world by way of the CCP.

Think about it though. None of our adversaries wanted biden to win more than china, north korea and iran. What a group to be aligned with.
I agree on parts of this for sure. China, N Korea, Iran, AND RUSSIA are enemy states. They are not our friends. I like the way Trump handled China (and I like his policies in the Mid East as well).
 
And what exactly did you see? Did you see any ballot boxes being stuffed? Did you see the life long Republicans that said there was no fraud taking a bribe? Did you see poll workers around the country cheating their fellow Americans? If you did, some evidence would have REALLY helped your cause. Bottom line is, you didn't see shit. You listened to Trump and his pet legal idiots when they said there was all this evidence (which never really turned up, did it). That's what you saw... Donald Trump and company lying to you.

I DEFINITELY agree that Trump didn't have the right people around him to win the election AND provide the legal chops to at least not look like a bunch of ass clowns. Who picked those people? Who surrounded himself with these idiots?

With a pandemic raging and the country practically BEGGING to be unified, Trump chose to continually divide us by casting doubt on his own hand picked experts and continually disparaging and undermining efforts to slow the pandemic. A MORON could have gotten reelected in a landslide in that environment. All Trump had to to was stand there and look Presidential... Maybe say some things about working together to get through this and make some noise about how badly he feels about his fellow Americans suffering. But Trump HAD to run that mouth because... well he can't seem to help himself. And it cost him what should have been an EASY win.

And yet again, where's the evidence of this massive cheating? Got anything that would stand up in court? Neither does Trump. Despite your "massive cheating" claims, apparently Democrats, let by a senile old man pulled off the perfect crime right under Donald Trump's nose without leaving any evidence that would stand up in court. Is that what you are saying? Donald Trump despite being the most powerful man in the world, wasn't good enough to find ANYTHING?

OR maybe, just maybe. Donald Trump wasn't quite as smart as he thought he was. MAYBE, he didn't actually have the best ideas. Maybe he didn't hire the best people. Maybe he spent a little too much time on the golf course and had a little too much "executive time" (that means watching TV... FoxNews). And not enough time actually doing his job. Maybe he simply got that ass beat.

I think most of what you said is true but Democrats still cheated on a massive sale. I have a more skeptical view of the entire covid thing. I don't believe much of what the CDC says and organizations of the government used it entirely for political gain.

Now we get to enjoy the insanity of the left and it's reached a new level. It doesn't matter anymore anyways. This country is done.
 
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I think most of what you said is true but Democrats still cheated on a massive sale. I have a more skeptical view of the entire covid thing. I don't believe much of what the CDC says and organizations of the government used it entirely for political gain.

Now we get to enjoy the insanity of the left and it's reached a new level. It doesn't matter anymore anyways. This country is done.

So leave.
 
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I think most of what you said is true but Democrats still cheated on a massive sale. I have a more skeptical view of the entire covid thing. I don't believe much of what the CDC says and organizations of the government used it entirely for political gain.

Now we get to enjoy the insanity of the left and it's reached a new level. It doesn't matter anymore anyways. This country is done.
Again, where's the evidence of this cheating? If there's no evidence, how do you know? While I don't completely trust everything the government tells me, I generally believe what agencies full of experts tell me on the subject, since it's their job to do so. It makes me laugh when people say they don't trust the CDC but believe some random people with no expertise... It's like your Dr. telling you you need an operation and you going home and your bartender tells you that the only reason your Dr. told you that was so he could make money. Does that actually happen? Probably, but until the Dr. actually does something that proves he's a crook, I'm going to take his advice over the bartender who has no freaking idea what he's talking about.
 
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Again, where's the evidence of this cheating? If there's no evidence, how do you know? While I don't completely trust everything the government tells me, I generally believe what agencies full of experts tell me on the subject, since it's their job to do so. It makes me laugh when people say they don't trust the CDC but believe some random people with no expertise... It's like your Dr. telling you you need an operation and you going home and your bartender tells you that the only reason your Dr. told you that was so he could make money. Does that actually happen? Probably, but until the Dr. actually does something that proves he's a crook, I'm going to take his advice over the bartender who has no freaking idea what he's talking about.

Bro. Mike lindell knows what he's talking about.
 
It makes me laugh when people say they don't trust the CDC but believe some random people with no expertise... It's like your Dr. telling you you need an operation and you going home and your bartender tells you that the only reason your Dr. told you that was so he could make money. Does that actually happen? Probably, but until the Dr. actually does something that proves he's a crook, I'm going to take his advice over the bartender who has no freaking idea what he's talking about.
Maybe this will help




 
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