Trump on Climate Change
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That's not correct. One of the core tenants of being a conservative should be to be a good Steward of the Earth.
Do you have JFKjr in your avatar because you believe that he is alive and will be Trump's running mate in 2024?
Good for President Trump to call out the climate nuts. The whole climate narrative is destroying our country which is exactly what they want.
The way it's being handled is hurting our country but that doesn't make it any less real. It may be greatly overstated and used to gain power which I would agree with but we still have a problem to deal with and we should be working Tori better solutions. Just ignoring it and pretending it isn't there isn't going to change the reality. Listening to that moron Trump is definitely not what we should be doing. He's an insult to conservatives.
It's real but I think it's very much inflated also. If not, why would Bill Gates buy a beachfront house on Del Mar? Criticize Trump all you want but he knows what's going on. Is anyone talking about the hundreds of millions of masks that are ending up in the ocean? Seems like they all want to talk about electric vehicles but not the batteries.
You have no idea how far the ocean may or may not rise in the next 300 years. It's a soundbite is all. No more or less. Everyone has an opinion.
I believe in climate change, but it's not significantly affected by man imo.
You call Trump a moron but based on your posts you agree with the way he ran the nation for the most part. Very disrespectful to a man who.laid it on the line and is still taking a lot of shit to serve his nation.
I can't really disagree with any of this. I just think we should be involved in the process as conservatives rather than sitting on the sidelines. We keep abdicating ultimate responsibility for things to people who desperately want power over others. We need to be a force in this process.
He did a lot of things that I agree with. But when the economy was roaring at a record pace he was running up massive deficits. As conservatives we can't only care about the deficit when a Democrat is in charge. Also we have two extremes in this country on the left and the right and a great big center which he was very successful in alienating. That's not something we can survive doing. I consider those on the extreme left and right to be mortal threats to this country. Especially the left. So I'll have little patience with anyone whose rhetoric and behavior is going to allow them to gain power.
The way he behaved in the state of Georgia toward Governor Kemp and helping to cost us two Senate seats with his bombastic rhetoric is nearly unforgivable. So I want nothing to do with him. The reason he lost the election is because he ran a horrible campaign. A good candidate would have wiped the floor with Biden. Biden is probably the worst candidate to ever win the presidency. That's a pretty astonishing accomplishment. When he ran in the '80s his lies and lack of any significant intellect were laughed off the stage by the Democrats during the primary.
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Agree with @Willence ITT. I don’t really understand why the GOP has taken the policy position of denying climate change or even man’s impact on it. We shouldn’t be climate alarmists and we shouldn’t do damaging things to our economy, industries or domestic energy production, but there should be a much more centrist approach in play. We should be the party of conservation and being good stewards or our lands and oceans. We should be leading the strategy of how to profitably accelerate clean and alternative energy sources. It’s frustrating.
You are not looking at reality on some important points.
- The cost side has been out of control for a long time and Trump came in with snakes on both sides of the aisle fighting against him. The tax plan he did get put in was a huge step and it helped the vast majority of Americans. Trump stated more than once that his plans were to tackle the cost side in the future and that unfortunately did not happen. With a 30T national debt and running yearly deficits this problem is not going to be fixed short of some real pain like never seen.
- I strongly disagree that there is a happy middle ground to be had between the right and left anymore. The level of disagreement is so huge and the dishonesty of politicians so great that I do not see any sensible legislation happening. There is right and there is wrong in this world though and the two very often do not meet in the middle.
- Strongly disagree with your take on Trump and GA. I also of course think massive election fraud occurred and a hostile steal/takeover of the US took place. We are in a state of hostile occupation at this time.
I am with Trump and what he stands for and I have millions upon millions that agree with me.
Time will tell what and who is right and wrong.
- The cost side has been out of control for a long time and Trump came in with snakes on both sides of the aisle fighting against him. The tax plan he did get put in was a huge step and it helped the vast majority of Americans. Trump stated more than once that his plans were to tackle the cost side in the future and that unfortunately did not happen. With a 30T national debt and running yearly deficits this problem is not going to be fixed short of some real pain like never seen.
- I strongly disagree that there is a happy middle ground to be had between the right and left anymore. The level of disagreement is so huge and the dishonesty of politicians so great that I do not see any sensible legislation happening. There is right and there is wrong in this world though and the two very often do not meet in the middle.
- Strongly disagree with your take on Trump and GA. I also of course think massive election fraud occurred and a hostile steal/takeover of the US took place. We are in a state of hostile occupation at this time.
I am with Trump and what he stands for and I have millions upon millions that agree with me.
Time will tell what and who is right and wrong.
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One more example of why you aren't actually a republican and @Willence and @scotchtiger are. You sir are nothing but a RINO as your lord and savior Donald Trump loves to accuse people of being.
Yep. The people who think like @TigerGrowls are definitely the real RINOs.
We should be good stewards of the earth. However, we absolutely should not handicap America in the name of climate change. Even if you accept climate change is 100% man made, it is ridiculous to hurt the American economy trying to fight it. That is like trying to slow world population growth by implementing reproduction restriction in America- it's not logical, or effective.
We should absolutely be working on alternative energy solutions, and when those solutions are both economically feasible and able to be mass produced we should employ them. IN THE MEANTIME, we should not do things to put american businesses at a disadvantage or require our citizenry to overpay for things due to regulations that have little impact on the climate. Also, I hope the stupidity of the European countries reliance on Russia for for energy is a lesson to America as well.
Finally, from an American fossil fuel production standpoint, why would we not want to produce as much fossil fuel as we can ourselves? Do you think Russia/Venezuela etc are more environmentally conscious in the extraction and transport of oil than we would be? Do you think their pipelines or ours will pollute more? How much damage is being done to the earth in other countries that have little/no regulations to get the elements we use in battery powered tools/cars/phones/etc ? Where is all the power to charge all these batteries going to come from and how is it going to be generated? I think there are a lot of questions people ignore and that we are have not really thought through the practical application of some of our current policies - particularly the impact on our national electrical grid.
Significant increases in production from our current electrical grid is not something that can happen quickly. That will take decades to happen. I don't know what the solution to that problem is, but that is something we need to be addressing right now. If we have no answer for that, none of the rest really matters because it is just not feasible.
We should absolutely be working on alternative energy solutions, and when those solutions are both economically feasible and able to be mass produced we should employ them. IN THE MEANTIME, we should not do things to put american businesses at a disadvantage or require our citizenry to overpay for things due to regulations that have little impact on the climate. Also, I hope the stupidity of the European countries reliance on Russia for for energy is a lesson to America as well.
Finally, from an American fossil fuel production standpoint, why would we not want to produce as much fossil fuel as we can ourselves? Do you think Russia/Venezuela etc are more environmentally conscious in the extraction and transport of oil than we would be? Do you think their pipelines or ours will pollute more? How much damage is being done to the earth in other countries that have little/no regulations to get the elements we use in battery powered tools/cars/phones/etc ? Where is all the power to charge all these batteries going to come from and how is it going to be generated? I think there are a lot of questions people ignore and that we are have not really thought through the practical application of some of our current policies - particularly the impact on our national electrical grid.
Significant increases in production from our current electrical grid is not something that can happen quickly. That will take decades to happen. I don't know what the solution to that problem is, but that is something we need to be addressing right now. If we have no answer for that, none of the rest really matters because it is just not feasible.
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Not to steal your thunder, but I am not a Republican. I am a Constitutional Conservative. If the Democratic Party suddenly became Constitutionalists tomorrow, I would vote for them in a second. I believe wholeheartedly in the power, promise, structure and process involved in our founding documents. They should be the filter through which all business of the government is done. The Democrats are twice as bad as Republicans but they are still enemies of the Constitution so they aren't much better. It's about the lesser of two evils now and that's not a good choice for any of us to have to make.
Honest question. Do you view the constitution as a living and changing document, or do you see it as black and white?
The reason I ask is that I see the constitution as a changeable document that has to change as times and circumstances change,but I do think that we need to be flexible as we deal with situations in technology and changing world.politics that our founding fathers never imagined.
Oh what a question. I will try not to get carried away. The Constitution is in black and white but has a mechanism to be a living document as well. This is the foundational principle of originalism and so many people misunderstand this. Here's what I mean and forgive me for my exuberance on this one:
Our Constitution came with three critical elements. One was a founding philosophy. Second was a basic set of protected rights. Third was a process by which future generations could amend and add to the Constitution in the future. For a long time, people so understood the Constitution that we used the amendment process to right many of the wrongs not dealt with in the original format. In that way, the Constitution is a living document and always should be. However, it is not something we can just re-interpret to align with the times. One of the beauties of the amendment process is that it requires the citizens and governments of each state to work together to approve a change for our nation. It requires our participation, our compromise and finally our consent so that we can evolve and grow as a country.
The process we use now of the swinging pendulum of power does not work. The rule by executive order doesn't work. The majority bowling over one another back and forth doesn't work. All these do is divide our country more. Through this process we devolve. We talk to each other less. We compromise less. We poison our political discourse more and nothing good is served.
Justice Scalia famously said the Constitution says what it says and it doesn't say what it doesn't say. He was attacked as someone who wanted the Constitution to be black and white and unchanging. As he would have said, that's "pure applesauce." The role of SCOTUS is to rule based on what the Constitution says. It doesn't convey power or authority to anyone. It is there to protect the Constitution. And THEN if people don't like what they do, we can go about the process of amending the Constitution to correct that. A case where this is needed would be the Citizens United case as an example. The ruled correctly but most of us don't like what they ruled.
I hope this makes sense.
I really appreciate the time you took to post this.
If people took the time to educate themselves on the foundations of America, instead of defending power-hungry politicians, we would be so much better as a nation.
“Country over party” is a concept that most Americans think they adhere to, but in reality very few have the intestinal fortitude to exercise in the voting booth.
I would say the multitudes of Republicans who voted for Biden instead of Trump might mean that Country over Party still exists somewhere.
I know you don't like Trump and it's self evident I don't either, but voting for Biden over Trump was not a case of putting country before party in my opinion. Trump was never the authoritarian or bigot that people said he was. Biden is all of those things and then some. That's what's so difficult these days. We base it all on what someone says until it isn't convenient and then we don't do that. There's no consistent standard political figures are held to.
I don't like Trump because he's obnoxious and he puts his ego over country in so many ways. In all things he will glorify himself as some kind of gift to the nation. He's not that at all. I'm also not a fan of the cult-like following he seems to enjoy. He is someone who seems to be incapable of inspiring loyalty from nearly everyone around him. That's not a good thing at all. He's also a big government pseudo conservative and that's not good for anyone either. The good part with Trump is he got out of people's way and generally increased economic freedom in this country for people of all races and genders. He also fostered a lot of meaningful agreements overseas and got us out of some really bad agreements we'd made. In those ways, he was extremely successful.
Biden is corrupt. He's a liar. He's a plagiarist. He's also in serious mental decline and generally incompetent. His judgment is historically bad. He doesn't know jack about economics. And he has next to no understanding of the Constitution. (That part is a trait he shares with Trump) He is an authoritarian and seeks control over everything through use of government power. I'd love to understand how voting for this man of extraordinarily low character is a vote for country over party?
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Possibly, but I think true “country over party” votes happen at the Congressional level.
We’ve had 5-7 different Presidents since folks like Graham, McConnell, Pelosi, Schumer, Grassley, Clyburn, etc etc etc, came to power. Most of them never face a close race at home because their political party runs their state or district.
We can all say that term limits can stop that, but they are the ones that have to pass the legislation. That’s not gonna happen. It’s our enslavement to political parties and not putting “America first” (for the lack of a better term) that keeps them in power.
I know plenty of folks that don’t like Graham, and haven’t for years, that will tell you “I can’t vote for a Democrat”. Well, we’ll keep getting what we get when they can take our vote for granted.
I'm much more extreme. Here's what we could do to change things:
-Pay of an Army Captain for members of Congress
-Have them stay in a dorm when Congress is in session which it shouldn't be all the time or even most of the time
-No pension for people who serve in Congress
-Put them in the VA health plan while they are in Congress or on Obamacare. No separate plan.
-Eliminate all forms of insider trading/investing
-Require all meetings with lobbyists be made publicly available on YouTube or Rumble
You would not need term limits if those things were implemented. Serving in our government is supposed to be just that. It's service, not a career.
I think you are correct. The environmental hand has been so overplayed that there are some cons that will never, ever believe there is a problem. Add in lockdowns, an obvious overplay on russian collusion story and what you have is confusion. Perhaps that is a feature and not a bug.
I would agree with this immediately. I do wonder how practical it is. If only being paid the amount suggested then you would certainly need a second job to supplement your income. Not many jobs are going to allow you to be out for weeks at a time throughout the year.
If you're provided with a dorm and food needs are met plus health benefits, why would you need another job? And if you did, so be it. When you take away the power, the people who crave control will disappear. A lot of good people on both sides are elected to Congress even now. The problem is when they get there the machine of both parties essentially forces them to do things their way or they'll simply be primaried and removed from power. It's the apparatus in Washington run by people like Schumer, McConnell, Pelosi and McCarthy that needs to be completely disemboweled in a very public way.
i think 99% of the the country would agree with all this (the 1 % dissenting being the politicians themselves.)
however, the sad reality is this will never happen because the 535 elected officials in our legislative body would NEVER allow this to happen
It could happen if we demanded it. I think that's part of why they all try to keep us so divided. If we're focused on fighting each other then we're not going to realize what's being done to us as readily.
More will be written today about what happened with Will Smith and Chris Rock then we'll be written in the next two weeks about fidelity to our Constitution and dealing with our challenges in government.
Do you believe in democracy? If so, the answer to your question is a layup. Hell, just now a federal judge ruled, that "Donald Trump has likely committed felonies, including obstruction of Congress and conspiring to defraud the United States. The illegality of the plan was obvious."
Now tell me about the felonies Biden has committed or any corruption at all. I'm not talking about right wing media "allegations". Give me facts.
We can all agree that we deserve better than either of them but to pretend that choosing Trump again would have been better for our country is nonsense. Quit pretending like you care about right and wrong.
I would say the same to you. What felonies and obstruction charges are you talking about? If they're so plain then you could list them at least. I'd be interested to see.
Re-read the post " obstruction of Congress and conspiring to defraud the United States."
Also do we want to talk about the TWO impeachments? How about defrauding thousands of students out of their money at Trump University? How about the fraudulent valuations of his properties to obtain loans? How about the theft of the money from Trump Foundation that he paid a $2 million fine for? How about the 30,000+ lies, including a year of lies about the election being stolen? You know I could go on right?
Don't let your hatred for Biden override your moral compass dude...
Maybe you didn't catch this part but I don't like Trump. Quit lumping me in with that guy. I simply said he was better than Biden because he left me alone. That's still true today. If you want to keep posting about Trump stuff, go ahead. I don't care. All you're demonstrating is you're a hardcore partisan. Trump is a slime ball. He was before he became president and he is now. But all the forced charges and accusations against him that just aren't true have done no service to those who wish him banished from public life. He was a dishonest, exploitative person before he became president. I didn't compromise anything in voting for him. I had no choice and when I did have the choice, I voted and campaigned against him. If he runs again, I will spend every ounce of time, energy and money I can spare to try and stop him. Trump is a scourge. This is the last time I'm going to bother discussing this.
You want to separate him from Biden. I say they all fall into the same category to varying degrees. Don't let your hated for Trump compromise your moral compass dude....
Maybe you didn't catch the part that I was calling you out for saying Biden is WORSE than Trump and suggesting we that voted for him were less patriotic. Your words:
- "voting for Biden over Trump was not a case of putting country before party in my opinion."
- " Trump was never the authoritarian or bigot that people said he was. Biden is all of those things and then some."
- "Biden is corrupt. He's a liar. He's a plagiarist."
These are BALD FACED LIES with nothing to back them up other than "allegations" from the right wing echo chamber that is determined to destroy the man. If you're going to make these preposterous accusations, you need to come armed with the facts that support them. If not, STFU.
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You truly believe that? I never said you were less patriotic. I wasn't even responding to you. Someone argued Republicans voting for Biden were putting country over party. I was saying that isn't the case because Biden is a horrendous candidate who is patently dishonest. Here are the stories from the ring wing echo chamber.
Biden is absolutely a liar. He is absolutely a plagiarist. Here's something for you to read if you'd like:
Why Joe Biden’s First Campaign for President Collapsed After Just 3 Months
Biden made a bid for his party's 1988 nomination, but a scandal quickly ended his run
Fact check: Biden keeps repeating a false story about an Amtrak conductor he knew | CNN Politics
On Tuesday, President Joe Biden repeated a vivid story he has been telling since at least his 2020 presidential campaign.
Joe Biden drops claim he was arrested seeing Mandela
An official says he got separated at an airport in South Africa rather than actually being arrested.
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Oh here's another right wing echo chamber...
That time Joe Biden lied about his academic credentials
The presidential candidate bragged about graduating in the top half of his class at law school. He was 76th in a class of 85.
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Here's CNN on Biden's lies, just watch the video. He claims to have marched for Civil Rights. He didn't. He's made this claim since he became President too. He's just a liar.
Biden lies the same way Trump does. He tries to make himself something he isn't. He wants to seem bigger than he is. His insecurity and ego make him dangerous. I could go on...and on....and on.
Biden also lies about policy constantly. Calling the Georgia Voter Law "Jim Crow 2.0." There are myriad examples of this kind of stuff.
I will keep trying to being respectful but I am over you telling me I am in some kind of right wing echo chamber. The fact of the matter is you don't have your head up man. You only see what you want to.
Leaving just your tracks in the woods, or anywhere for that matter, should be the minimum.
A Trump obsession. Wow.
I despise lying and he should be condemned for that - thank you for bringing "some" facts to the table. But lying about marching, grades or where he ended up in his class does not equate to the level of corruption you claim is even worse than Trump's. That narrative is fictitious bullshit and you know it. The man has never even been charged with a crime nor has there ever been a factual story that connects him to corruption. There have been plenty of innuendos and allegations thrown around but nothing that holds water.You truly believe that? I never said you were less patriotic. I wasn't even responding to you. Someone argued Republicans voting for Biden were putting country over party. I was saying that isn't the case because Biden is a horrendous candidate who is patently dishonest. Here are the stories from the ring wing echo chamber.
Biden is absolutely a liar. He is absolutely a plagiarist. Here's something for you to read if you'd like:
Why Joe Biden’s First Campaign for President Collapsed After Just 3 Months
Biden made a bid for his party's 1988 nomination, but a scandal quickly ended his runtime.com
Fact check: Biden keeps repeating a false story about an Amtrak conductor he knew | CNN Politics
On Tuesday, President Joe Biden repeated a vivid story he has been telling since at least his 2020 presidential campaign.www.cnn.com
Joe Biden drops claim he was arrested seeing Mandela
An official says he got separated at an airport in South Africa rather than actually being arrested.
Oh here's another right wing echo chamber...
That time Joe Biden lied about his academic credentials
The presidential candidate bragged about graduating in the top half of his class at law school. He was 76th in a class of 85.
Here's CNN on Biden's lies, just watch the video. He claims to have marched for Civil Rights. He didn't. He's made this claim since he became President too. He's just a liar.
Biden lies the same way Trump does. He tries to make himself something he isn't. He wants to seem bigger than he is. His insecurity and ego make him dangerous. I could go on...and on....and on.
Biden also lies about policy constantly. Calling the Georgia Voter Law "Jim Crow 2.0." There are myriad examples of this kind of stuff.
I will keep trying to being respectful but I am over you telling me I am in some kind of right wing echo chamber. The fact of the matter is you don't have your head up man. You only see what you want to.
You're insane if you think the above makes him worse than Trump. I believe only one of these men truly loves this country and it's not the crimson sociopath.
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