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[yoshi121374]

I would argue that the books exist because kids have questions and are asking them. Many times they aren't getting answers at home.

As mentioned above, there is a difference between education and "grooming".

 

[OleFastball]

I would argue that the books exist because kids have questions and are asking them. Many times they aren't getting answers at home.

As mentioned above, there is a difference between education and "grooming".

Grooming is teaching sexual ideology to pre-adolescent children.

There is no reason you need to teach minors about sexual ideology unless you are grooming them to believe that it's ok. Mutilating your body is not ok, nor is it healthy.

Children should be taught to be comfortable in the body they have.

 

[yoshi121374]

Grooming is teaching sexual ideology to pre-adolescent children.

There is no reason you need to teach minors about sexual ideology unless you are grooming them to believe that it's ok. Mutilating your body is not ok, nor is it healthy.

Children should be taught to be comfortable in the body they have.

You think teaching children that Homosexuality exists is Grooming.

Also, you aren't teaching a 6th grader anything about sex that they haven't already seen or heard about. Probably would be a good idea to provide some education with the stuff they have seen online or heard from friends. We have been teaching Sex Education in Elementary School since before I was born.


It's very easy for you to make judgements about someone else's body and life. What are you credentials to make such blanket statements. Surely you are a psychiatrist to have such knowledge .

 

[yoshi121374]

What Also kills me is that you guys seem totally concerned that people are going to convince your kids to be Gay or Trans. I have many gay friends, I have been to drag shows. Shockingly I have yet to catch homosexuality. No amount of being around gay men has ever made me attracted to a man. No amount of knowing that some people want to live as a different sex then they were assigned at birth has made me ever want to be anything but a man.

What in the world are you so scared of? There are laws in place that require parental and doctor approval to ever have gender change surgery. You guys act like a 10 year old can just walk in off the street and ask a surgeon to amputate his penis and the doctor would just do it.

 

[OleFastball]

You think teaching children that Homosexuality exists is Grooming.

Also, you aren't teaching a 6th grader anything about sex that they haven't already seen or heard about. Probably would be a good idea to provide some education with the stuff they have seen online or heard from friends. We have been teaching Sex Education in Elementary School since before I was born.


It's very easy for you to make judgements about someone else's body and life. What are you credentials to make such blanket statements. Surely you are a psychiatrist to have such knowledge .

Yes teaching kids about homsexuality in elementary school is grooming. Next question

 

[OleFastball]

What Also kills me is that you guys seem totally concerned that people are going to convince your kids to be Gay or Trans. I have many gay friends, I have been to drag shows. Shockingly I have yet to catch homosexuality. No amount of being around gay men has ever made me attracted to a man. No amount of knowing that some people want to live as a different sex then they were assigned at birth has made me ever want to be anything but a man.

What in the world are you so scared of? There are laws in place that require parental and doctor approval to ever have gender change surgery. You guys act like a 10 year old can just walk in off the street and ask a surgeon to amputate his penis and the doctor would just do it.

No one has said anything about gays.

There is a large contingent of gays that disavow the trans and queers (t's and q's). You can check out Gays Against Groomers if you want. Even gay people can see the harm and immorality of trans ideology.

 

[yoshi121374]

No one has said anything about gays.

There is a large contingent of gays that disavow the trans and queers (t's and q's). You can check out Gays against Groomers if you want. Even gay people can see the harm and immorality of trans ideology.

You have mentioned gays multiple times in this very thread.

 

[yoshi121374]

Yes teaching kids about homsexuality in elementary school is grooming. Next question

That's just flat wrong. You show extreme ignorance. Education about something isn't grooming. Teaching me that Islam or Judaism exists isn't trying to turn me into a Muslim or into a Jew.

 

[OleFastball]

You have mentioned gays multiple times in this very thread.

When saying that any sexual ideology should not be taught to children. Yes, gay is a sexual ideology.

 

[yoshi121374]

I will. We are not upset at Trans people. We do not agree with their lifestyle. However, we agree with their right to live that way as adults. What normal people have a problem with is pushing sexual ideology into childhood for the purpose of grooming children to believe its ok to be trans, gay, or any other made up "sex". Trans is a highly debateable topic. There is no settled science on whether it improves outcomes for anyone and there is a lot of science suggesting the opposite. And it's totally against basic biological fact that someone can change their sex. Its a denial of science.


Is it really controversial to deny scientific fact?

Here is an example of where you mention that it's wrong to teach kida that being Gay is ok. Guess we should just say "oh darn" when those little gay kids kill themselves.

For the record, they don't want to turn your kids gay, they want to keep your gay kids from killing themselves.

 

[OleFastball]

That's just flat wrong. You show extreme ignorance. Education about something isn't grooming. Teaching me that Islam or Judaism exists isn't trying to turn me into a Muslim or into a Jew.

At least you have outed yourself as a groomer. We know where you stand.

 

[OleFastball]

Here is an example of where you mention that it's wrong to teach kida that being Gay is ok. Guess we should just say "oh darn" when those little gay kids kill themselves.

For the record, they don't want to turn your kids gay, they want to keep your gay kids from killing themselves.

No child has straight, gay, or trans feelings in elementary school. That is not what they need to be learning at that age nor are they old enough to have learned about their bodies and interpret what they are feeling.

 

[yoshi121374]

No child has straight, gay, or trans feelings in elementary school. That is not what they need to be learning at that age.

And you know this how? Dude, just stop. You are woefully ignorant and wrong. When did you start knowing you thought girls were cute and not gross? I assume 4th or 5th grade. Exactly the same for homosexuals.

 

[OleFastball]

We will have to agree to disagree. We know where each other stands at this point. You endorse teaching sexuality to elementary school children and i do not.

You should be no where near a classroom imo.

 

[yoshi121374]

We will have to agree to disagree. We know where each other stands at this point. You endorse teaching sexuality to elementary school children and i do not.

You should be no where near a classroom imo.

You equate education with grooming. I know that that's idiotic and wrong.

You have said that we shouldn't have Sex Education until 8th grade. That's just dumb.

You think being gay is a mental issue.

You insist on calling me a Groomer because I'm not an ignorant homophobe.

You keep referring to gays and trans as groomers, when all statistics show that the people actually grooming kids. for sex are by and large heterosexual Christina men.

 

[OleFastball]

You equate education with grooming. I know that that's idiotic and wrong.

You have said that we shouldn't have Sex Education until 8th grade. That's just dumb.

You think being gay is a mental issue.

You insist on calling me a Groomer because I'm not an ignorant homophobe.

You keep referring to gays and trans as groomers, when all statistics show that the people actually grooming kids. for sex are by and large heterosexual Christina men.

You make stuff up.

Where did I say being gay is a mental issue? If I did I misspoke. But feel free to show me the quote so we know you aren’t lying.

You do indeed fit the definition of a groomer. I’m sorry if you don’t like the word.

 

[yoshi121374]

When saying that any sexual ideology should not be taught to children. Yes, gay is a sexual ideology.

This. You say that being gay is a "sexual ideology".

 

[OleFastball]

This. You say that being gay is a "sexual ideology".

That is not demeaning or associated with mental illness in any way, that is a fact. Straight is an ideology along with gay, trans, queer etc.

Show us where in the definition of ideology it says mental issue?

Ideology - "A set of doctrines or beliefs that are shared by the members of a social group or that form the basis of a political, economic, or other system."

If you are trolling, good job. If not you are lying about what i say.

 

[yoshi121374]

That is not demeaning or associated with mental illness in any way, that is a fact. Straight is an ideology along with gay, trans, queer etc.

Show us where in the definition of ideology it says mental issue?

Ideology - "A set of doctrines or beliefs that are shared by the members of a social group or that form the basis of a political, economic, or other system."

If you are trolling, good job. If not you are lying about what i say.

Sexual orientation isn't an ideology.

 

[OleFastball]

Sexual orientation isn't an ideology.

Ideology - "A set of doctrines or beliefs that are shared by the members of a social group or that form the basis of a political, economic, or other system."


A set of beliefs (homosexuality) shared by members of a social group (homosexuals / gays) that form the basis of a system of beliefs (homsexual lifestyle).

Even if it's not an ideology no reasonable person could make the leap to mental illness from the word ideology.

You are lying about what i said.

 

[yoshi121374]

Ideology - "A set of doctrines or beliefs that are shared by the members of a social group or that form the basis of a political, economic, or other system."


A set of beliefs (homosexuality) shared by members of a social group (homosexuals / gays) that form the basis of a system of beliefs (homsexual lifestyle).

Even if it's not an ideology no reasonable person could make the leap to mental illness from the word ideology.

You are lying about what i said.

Sexual preference isn't an ideology. An ideology is something that is chosen.

Quite frankly I don't care enough about you to go back and find posts, but it clear how you feel about Homosexuals.

Also really odd how much you love the word "Groomer". My thinks thou dost protest too much.

 

[OleFastball]

Sexual preference isn't an ideology. An ideology is something that is chosen.

Quite frankly I don't care enough about you to go back and find posts, but it clear how you feel about Homosexuals.

Also really odd how much you love the word "Groomer". My thinks thou dost protest too much.

You are lying. If you want to accuse me of something at least quote me. The post history is all there.

I respect homosexuals.

You are such a bad debater you resort to making shit up.

 

[scotchtiger]

I'm not an expert so my opinion means little. I'd say 11 is a good age. I'd be up for any reasonable decision on it.

So if there was a bill that restricted teaching about homosexuality or transgenderism from say, kindergarten through 3rd grade, that would make sense?

 

[jakefest]

You think teaching children that Homosexuality exists is Grooming.

Also, you aren't teaching a 6th grader anything about sex that they haven't already seen or heard about. Probably would be a good idea to provide some education with the stuff they have seen online or heard from friends. We have been teaching Sex Education in Elementary School since before I was born.


It's very easy for you to make judgements about someone else's body and life. What are you credentials to make such blanket statements. Surely you are a psychiatrist to have such knowledge .

Sex Ed is junior high fella, your wife is a teacher......you should know that.

 

[yoshi121374]

Sex Ed is junior high fella, your wife is a teacher......you should know that.

It is now, but it was elementary school when I grew up. We had it in 5th grade.

 

[Broheim]

That is definitely weird. What I disagree with this person on is when she says, "Target is targeting your children."

1. The kids that would fit into those clothes could not buy them on their own. So it would be more accurate to say they are targeting parents. I doubt many parents would just arbitrarily say, "Timmy, you are trans now. Let's buy these for you."

2. I would have no fear walking my kids by this stuff. I am 100% confident that they would not just turn gay or trans by seeing this in a target. Maybe you are scared that will happen?

Do you think if you walk into a gay bar, you suddenly turn gay?

So let me get this straight (no pun intended), the toddler is too young to purchase on their own ( I agree). I also agree with you that they probably are targeting the parent. You lose me with who is making the decision the toddler is trans, the same toddler that is too young to buy the merchandise? I'm going to go with the bat shit crazy parent is making that decision at the onesie age...

 

[jakefest]

It is now, but it was elementary school when I grew up. We had it in 5th grade.

Not to be a stickler but that's not what you said, what you said was " We have been teaching Sex Education in Elementary School since before I was born."

That seems like a statement made to justify teaching kids about transitioning or choosing another gender in .......wait for it.....elementary school, no?

And unless you're older than me, this post also isn't true.......it was junior high in South Carolina back in the 80's. In fact, if anything.....it's gotten earlier and earlier each year with teen pregnancies obviously increasing decade to decade.

"All schools that provide sex education courses are required to be developmentally and age appropriate, medically accurate, evidence-based and complete. Comprehensive sex education offered in grades six through 12 must include instruction on both abstinence and contraception for the prevention of pregnancy and diseases"

 

[Broheim]

First off all, here eyelashes touching her bangs like that is giving me so much anxiety... Secondly, toddlers don't buy things, they are targeting adults.

Yep, the bat shit crazy ones. Because toddlers also don't make decisions about what gender they are either.

 

[nytigerfan]

So let me get this straight (no pun intended), the toddler is too young to purchase on their own ( I agree). I also agree with you that they probably are targeting the parent. You lose me with who is making the decision the toddler is trans, the same toddler that is too young to buy the merchandise? I'm going to go with the bat shit crazy parent is making that decision at the onesie age...

You made my point for me. A gay couple dressing their one-year-old in a rainbow outfit for pride month is not going to make the one year old gay. If that child is gay, they are going to be gay. I have a nephew that as a teenager questioned if he was gay, only because at that stage in life girls did not want much to do with him. He never put a cock in his mouth just to see. Now he is in college and hooking up with girls after he stopped spending all of his time playing video games and started working out.

I know several gay couples, and I can assure you, after the hardships they have endured because of people like you, they do not wish for their adopted kids to be gay.

 

[tallulahtiger30319]

That is definitely weird. What I disagree with this person on is when she says, "Target is targeting your children."

1. The kids that would fit into those clothes could not buy them on their own. So it would be more accurate to say they are targeting parents. I doubt many parents would just arbitrarily say, "Timmy, you are trans now. Let's buy these for you."

2. I would have no fear walking my kids by this stuff. I am 100% confident that they would not just turn gay or trans by seeing this in a target. Maybe you are scared that will happen?

Do you think if you walk into a gay bar, you suddenly turn gay?

OK. So you and your kids walk by a trans display in the store, and one of them asks if you'll buy him one of the items. Your response?

 

[DW4_2016]

OK. So you and your kids walk by a trans display in the store, and one of them asks if you'll buy him one of the items. Your response?

just kill the kid and try again, right?

 

[PalmettoTiger1]

Yes teaching kids about homsexuality in elementary school is grooming. Next question

Amen

Keep grooming to age 21 and above

 

[nytigerfan]

OK. So you and your kids walk by a trans display in the store, and one of them asks if you'll buy him one of the items. Your response?

I would savagely beat him while yelling that he has a mental disorder. Then I would get my AR out of my truck and start firing on the target employees that turned my son trans. Then I would disown him and donate his college fund to Ron Desantis presidential campaign.

Oh wait, I thought you asked me what YOU would do if your son asked that question.

I would take him home and have a discussion about it to understand why he wanted those clothes. Then take it from there.

 

[PawJourney]

LOL!!

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That suit may be tuck friendly but he looks like crap in regardless of where his penis is. Just as bad as the banana swimsuits.

 

[tallulahtiger30319]

I would savagely beat him while yelling that he has a mental disorder. Then I would get my AR out of my truck and start firing on the target employees that turned my son trans. Then I would disown him and donate his college fund to Ron Desantis presidential campaign.

Oh wait, I thought you asked me what YOU would do if your son asked that question.

I would take him home and have a discussion about it to understand why he wanted those clothes. Then take it from there.

Oh wow. That was mature. You have ZERO idea where I stand on this stuff. I genuinely wanted to know what you’d do. But you couldn’t answer. Thanks. But never mind.

 

[TigerGrowls]

 

[jakefest]

You made my point for me. A gay couple dressing their one-year-old in a rainbow outfit for pride month is not going to make the one year old gay. If that child is gay, they are going to be gay. I have a nephew that as a teenager questioned if he was gay, only because at that stage in life girls did not want much to do with him. He never put a cock in his mouth just to see. Now he is in college and hooking up with girls after he stopped spending all of his time playing video games and started working out.

I know several gay couples, and I can assure you, after the hardships they have endured because of people like you, they do not wish for their adopted kids to be gay.

And you just made the counter point......your nephew figured out his sexual preference on his own. Imagine if your family had transitioned him as a teenager when they thought he was gay?

Also, don't tell me your gay friends live in NY and faced hardship, at least not in the last 3 decades. The gays own New York.

 

[other1]

And you just made the counter point......your nephew figured out his sexual preference on his own. Imagine if your family had transitioned him as a teenager when they thought he was gay?

Also, don't tell me your gay friends live in NY and faced hardship, at least not in the last 3 decades. The gays own New York.

You'd know

 

[Broheim]

You made my point for me. A gay couple dressing their one-year-old in a rainbow outfit for pride month is not going to make the one year old gay. If that child is gay, they are going to be gay. I have a nephew that as a teenager questioned if he was gay, only because at that stage in life girls did not want much to do with him. He never put a cock in his mouth just to see. Now he is in college and hooking up with girls after he stopped spending all of his time playing video games and started working out.

I know several gay couples, and I can assure you, after the hardships they have endured because of people like you, they do not wish for their adopted kids to be gay.

Lol....that is quite the story. All these gay parents that don't want their kids to be gay out buying pride shirts. especially with "people like me" walking around. This is really good stuff dude, it doesn't add up but entertaining nonetheless. (BTW, there is no point in my life where I have ever said a word to a trans, gay, or other LGBQT person in public or private conversation that mocked or derided their lifestyle, etc. Not once).

When can we transition back to it is only .000001% of the population?

In all these conversations at no point does anyone trans or supporting the trans movement stop and say, you know what this doesn't need to involve kids. Not once........

 

[OleFastball]

Lol....that is quite the story. All these gay parents that don't want their kids to be gay out buying pride shirts. especially with "people like me" walking around. This is really good stuff dude, it doesn't add up but entertaining nonetheless. (BTW, there is no point in my life where I have ever said a word to a trans, gay, or other LGBQT person in public or private conversation that mocked or derided their lifestyle, etc. Not once).

When can we transition back to it is only .000001% of the population?

In all these conversations at no point does anyone trans or supporting the trans movement stop and say, you know what this doesn't need to involve kids. Not once........

They want to involve the kids because they want to groom them into thinking cutting your junk off and taking drugs to prevent your bodies natural progression is ok.

You have to be a sick fvck to think it’s ok to teach this shit to pre-pubescent children.