Twitter bans Donald Trump permanently
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So you think he is a despicable human being and rightly should be banned from Twitter where he clearly has a dangerous affect on millions of people. Good stuff.
been pretty clear on where I stand on Trump itt. You guys need to set that shit free. He lost the election. It’s time to move on. This is no longer about Trump. It is significantly bigger than Trump. Alexei Navalny laid it out pretty well today when he condemned censorship and the president. When russian political leaders are telling you you’ve crossed lines with your censorship, it’s probably time for some introspection. Also showed that it is possible - for those with IQs over 70 - to hold those two viewpoints. They aren’t remotely contradictory much less mutually exclusive. Trump has been a shithead in the aftermath of the election. And, selective corporate censorship at the level we are seeing it right now isn’t awesome.
And, as a quick aside - if anyone on Twitter has a dangerous effect on you, I have to assume you probably aren’t capable of dressing yourself, and it’s unlikely that a coalition composed of such emotionally fragile window lickers pose much of a threat to a developed, western society.
So what should be done, if you are a service like twitter when you have someone using your platform.to incite riots where people are killed? At what point would they be liable for the damages that result from such actions?
We all agree Trump is a dangerous asshole. Why is twitter banning him so wrong? He has been warned for a long time to stop spreading misinformation and he flatly refused.
The challenge though is things like #hangmikepence is still running rampant on Twitter so the presedence you’re setting is that the ban only applies to one side. That is only going to perpetuate the base that believes in some of these theories/conspiracies/ideas that there is corruption in government and big tech.
Also, having tech giants all come together to ban a firm like Parler is starting to infringe on “above government control” methodologies. These are all public companies as in they are listed, have shareholders and have public operating documents dictated at the board level. Though there might not be much anyone can do but shareholders can sell off, short and stop buying the stock and product. There could be some policy in place that mandates them to behave a certain way but I don’t know of any.
So the problem is really three fold, first who gets to decide what is disinformation and what isn’t? Can’t Americans decide that for themselves? Some of the “stolen election” information might have helped people give it up sooner if the information wasn’t being blocked or suppressed. The suppress just stokes the imagination more. What about the Hunter Biden story? Another suppressed story that turned out to not be disinformation. Imagine if they had suppressed Russian Hoax, “Grab em by the p*ssy”, Covid related stuff........you see where I’m going with this right?
The second is, does it apply to everyone or just people that don’t agree with popular sentiment? Ie, what if AOC starts suggesting that Ford Motors is a racist company, the masses short/sell the stock, stop buying their cars and Ford has no choice but to fire 10,000 Americans. Is that not dangerous also?
The third, where does it end?
You’re absolutely right in that Twitter can do as they wish but the narrative your setting is that these massive conglomerates can do whatever they want as in they are above government reach. See Nike when they basically told Oregon what they would pay in taxes and forced a new bill into motion giving them special terms.
My concern is letting Donald create a whole new media and aggregation standard creating more of a divide. His base will follow and you won’t have the ability to get middle ground news to his loyalists. My other fear is that government and tech stop him from doing the above infringing on our constitutional rights. Both outcomes aren’t great for America
It's definitely a difficult discussion. For the record, #hangmikepence is also a right wing/QAnon deal.
I'm almost certain Trump will create his own media. That was the rumor in 2016 prior to the election that I think he accidentally won.
It will again come down to those adults in the room on the right and the left and honestly the vast majority of the middle to denounce and marginalize those media sources. Remember when we used to laugh at our crazy uncle? Now we elect them president and give them access to millions who think just like him.
It's truly a scary time in America. I have stated again and again that I think the lasting impact from the last 4 years is the mistrust of media,doctors,and anyone who has education. The fear of intellect is really a new form of classism
Not so fast, my friend. Thankfully that may be harder than it appears.
Opinion | Trump Media Empire? Don’t Bet on It.
He may desperately need his own platform now that he’s been exiled from Twitter, but it’s going to cost him more than he’s got.
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Not so fast, my friend. Thankfully that may be harder than it appears.
Opinion | Trump Media Empire? Don’t Bet on It.
He may desperately need his own platform now that he’s been exiled from Twitter, but it’s going to cost him more than he’s got.
I wouldn’t underestimate how much money sits in his base that might help fund something like this. Some of the ultra wealthy may disenfranchise themselves based on social sentiment detriment but there are plenty of believers out there with money that would like to see free flow of information.
If I’m him, I sell all of my assets, pay off my debt and go live somewhere private for the remainder of my days. Have no idea why he wouldn’t just give up and retire to privacy.
I think there will be an attempt on his life at some point down the road so who knows if he will be around to even launch something like this.
We all know exactly why this won't happen. He needs attention to live. It's his oxygen.
This past week illustrates that no they can't...
What kind of mental somersaults do you do to get from misinformation spread by the POTUS on twatter to his millions of supporters who believe that the election was stolen, to dead people including a cop in DC? Are you saying the cop couldn't dress himself that day? Or are we blaming the millions of Americans who believed Trumps disenfranchisment of the press and believed without question what he told them? If so how is inciting this mob a direct threat to our democracy and how exactly is removing him from twitter censorship that I as an American should be concerned?
I think we wouldn't be at this point if the Republican congress had held Trump in check, but the dog got out, and now America is frantically looking for some control. This is a tipping point, what do you suggest?
I'd recommend one thing: Restablish the Fairness Doctrine. Too long has a pillar of our democracy been corrupted, time to real it back in.
At some point , trump needs to shut up or be shut up. He is an imminent threat to the United States of America.
you mean free flow of misinformation and lies ? we already have that with sean calamity and laura ingrate.
She's supporting protests in that video, not riots. Here's a link to the full clip.
Big difference between peaceful protest marches and riots like what we saw at Capitol Hill on Wednesday. Just a reminder that Trump stated "You are special" and "we love you" in response to the rioters at Capitol Hill on Wednesday afternoon.
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who do you think fears intellect, though? I’m genuinely curious. Because, herein lies an issue at the heart of the discord in this country right now. And, maybe this isn’t what you’re getting at, which is why I want to ask. But, there seems to be this notion that all conservatives hold the same views and values as the ones at the capitol. That all conservatives are Q believers and conspiracy theorists. That all conservatives spent the last 4 years hanging on donald trump’s every word. And, by extension we are all somehow science deniers. Or uneducated. Or racist. Or heartless. That simply isn’t the case. There were value-based, legitimate reasons that people had to vote for Donald Trump in previous elections. There are also a lot of people that voted for Donald Trump despite strongly disliking the person he was who paid very little attention to what he said. Some people would probably reconsider or abstain knowing what we now know. That doesn’t alter the fact that vilifying and constant condescension and lecturing directed at a large segment of the country for the views of an uneducated, extremist subset isn’t productive and probably won’t be helpful going forward.
There needs to be significantly more nuance and tolerance and intelligence in our political discussions moving forward. That applies to both sides. The left is certainly not alone in painting with too broad a brush those who they disagree with, politically.
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I was speaking primarily of the far right/QAnon types, but the mainstream party does shoulder some of the blame. They nominated and elected a president who has at every turn denied science, placed doubt on law enforcement, lied about facts when it suited him, etc. Very few of the republican party stood up and tried to censure this type speech because of political fear.
The current president has claimed fraud for 2 months and hasn't been able to prove any of it, and with very few exceptions there has been nobody on the right telling him to stop.
I agree with the poltical fervor,but the republican voters need to fix their house. Democrats largely self corrected when they elected Joe Biden who is much more centrist then the other candidates were.
I’d also like to add that while I don’t agree with you on a lot, I appreciate the civility you and a couple others have brought to the discussions. The back and forth has been significantly more enjoyable and edifying.
Completely agree. We are all invested in trying to make America better. I have been truly distressed to see family members and close friends be radicalized. I know people are hurting and we have issues, but I continue to say, that which divides us is so much smaller than what unites us.
We have got to let the adults take back over the room. We need to demand a higher level of discourse. We need to eliminate the fear and ridicule of education and training.
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This is a lberal talking point and why liberals are for Net Neutrality, which would categorize the internet as a utility and not allow internet traffic shaping and censoring. on this very forum I've argued the virtues of it. Conservatives stated it was a bad idea and to let the free market shape the internet. Well here we are.
Here is great analogy i have borrowed for the Twitter situation: Imagine Twitter as a Christian bakery and Trump as a cake for a gay wedding.
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If you just keep trying, one day you'll find the hypocrisy for which you so desperately search and you will be morally superior. Stay strong!
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