US/Israel to move on Iran soon?

[scotchtiger]

And we hope the war mongers don’t draw us into another war with a country half way around the world.

I understand I am in the minority, attacking Iran seems popular on both sides of the political aisle here.

I have a rule though, I don’t support wars I’m not willing to send my sons too. I would not want my son to die fighting that war.

If we are attacked that obviously changes.

No need for troops on the ground right now. Their air defenses are gone. Fly B2s (or whatever bomber makes sense) overhead and obliterate anything related to their nuke program. If my son happened to be a bomber pilot, I wouldn’t have an issue with him doing that.

 

[fatpiggy]

No need for troops on the ground right now. Their air defenses are gone. Fly B2s (or whatever bomber makes sense) overhead and obliterate anything related to their nuke program. If my son happened to be a bomber pilot, I wouldn’t have an issue with him doing that.

Looks like you may get your wishes

 

[scotchtiger]

Looks like you may get your wishes

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Good. Finish the job. Regime change and complete eradication of nuke capabilities is the answer at this point.

USS Carl Vinson steaming for the area now.

 

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Good. Finish the job. Regime change and complete eradication of nuke capabilities is the answer at this point.

USS Carl Vinson steaming for the area now.

Did regime change work out for us in Iraq? The current problem wouldn't exist if the warmongers were ignored back then.

Yes, Iran getting nukes would be awful. Now they have no choice but to go for it, and I don't blame them. They made a deal once with us, and we tore it up. They negotiated again, and our ally attacked them.

Just because a lot of people in Iran don’t like the regime doesn’t mean they’re going to overthrow it to make Netanyahu happy. They aren’t naive. Guaranteeing regime change in Iran means putting American soldiers on the ground for a long time and spending another couple trillion on a war in the Middle East that we didn’t want.

What’s good for Israel and what’s good for America are two different things that often coincide; this ain’t one of those times. It wasn’t one of those times in 2003 either. They thankfully don’t need our help to win the war conventionally, and we can’t be expected to be dragged into a campaign against Iran’s nukes when we preferred to handle it a different way.

I’m sure Lindsey Graham will be airdropping over Tehran any day now. Trump was right that this was all totally unnecessary, and I hope he grows a spine and sticks to it

 

[ANEW]

Looks like you may get your wishes

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I think he's just being honest. If one of our bases or ships gets hit with an Iranian missile and causes casualties, then we're going to have to retaliate or we're going to lose big face in the region. If they attack and we shoot down the missiles or they miss, then we have an option, IMHO, as we can hand waive it away. In my opinion the higest payoff retaliation would include 2x big bombs on each of the main underground nuke sites.

I think we're doing good by staying out of it and pushing the negotiation angle, even though it's not likely to happen at least until this thing drags out a bit longer. Iran is getting it's ass whipped and that's going to continue. We are helping Israel but as long as we just help play defense it really puts Iran in a bad spot. It a HUGE desision for them to attack us... They aren't going to materially impact our ability to aid in Israel's defense but they risk all the negatives of our strike assets adding to the ass whipping.

A stray hit on our embassy building or other US property in Israel won't be enought to bring us in. IMHO

 

[MTTiger19]

Good news.

A Battered Iran Signals It Wants to De-Escalate Hostilities With Israel and Negotiate — The Wall Street Journal

Messages passed by Tehran through intermediaries seek a return to talks if the U.S. stays out of the fight

apple.news

 

[UrHuckleberry]

Good news.

A Battered Iran Signals It Wants to De-Escalate Hostilities With Israel and Negotiate — The Wall Street Journal

Messages passed by Tehran through intermediaries seek a return to talks if the U.S. stays out of the fight

apple.news

For some reason this made me think of the Lion/Tuna part of The Other Guys.

"That go the way you thought it was gonna to go?” Shaking his head. “Nope.”

Feels like you either 1. start asking for peace. 2. Try to wait it out and find ways to involve other countries like Russia/China somehow.

 

[ANEW]

For some reason this made me think of the Lion/Tuna part of The Other Guys.

"That go the way you thought it was gonna to go?” Shaking his head. “Nope.”

Feels like you either 1. start asking for peace. 2. Try to wait it out and find ways to involve other countries like Russia/China somehow.

Iran's attacks on Israel will not change Israel's actions one bit. Iran just keeps getting weaker and weaker. Israel with our help is intercepting most of the incoming missiles. There are civilian casualties, but Israel can withstand them and there has been no degradation in Israel's offensive military capabilities.

Direct attack on the United States assets will be akin to suicide by cop.

So what's left? 1. Try and get the US to make Israel stop so that they can regroup. 2. Legitimately give up their nuke program to save the current regime. 3. Increase the pain level for everyone by threatening to attack or attacking shipping (hopefully with the help of the houthi). 4. Ask China / Russia for help 5. Any others that I'm missing?

Option 3 is not a great one for Iran. Big big risk that we use that as an excuse to join in to stop the threat to commerce. We'd focus on the anti-shipping threat, but only a moron would not take the opportunity to hit nuke targets that need some extra love.

Option 4 is not a great one either. Neither Russia nor china can provide much help. Maybe diplomatically? Military help is going to difficult with Israel owning the airspace over Iran and essentially telling everyone that they can't be responsible for any accidents.

 

[UrHuckleberry]

Iran's attacks on Israel will not change Israel's actions one bit. Iran just keeps getting weaker and weaker. Israel with our help is intercepting most of the incoming missiles. There are civilian casualties, but Israel can withstand them and there has been no degradation in Israel's offensive military capabilities.

Direct attack on the United States assets will be akin to suicide by cop.

So what's left? 1. Try and get the US to make Israel stop so that they can regroup. 2. Legitimately give up their nuke program to save the current regime. 3. Increase the pain level for everyone by threatening to attack or attacking shipping (hopefully with the help of the houthi). 4. Ask China / Russia for help 5. Any others that I'm missing?

Option 3 is not a great one for Iran. Big big risk that we use that as an excuse to join in to stop the threat to commerce. We'd focus on the anti-shipping threat, but only a moron would not take the opportunity to hit nuke targets that need some extra love.

Option 4 is not a great one either. Neither Russia nor china can provide much help. Maybe diplomatically? Military help is going to difficult with Israel owning the airspace over Iran and essentially telling everyone that they can't be responsible for any accidents.

Right, that all makes sense to me. They are not in a good place. Not sure if they just didn't think Israel would ever be this bold? They believe they had stronger allies?

 

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[fatpiggy]

 

[Dadar]

Right, that all makes sense to me. They are not in a good place. Not sure if they just didn't think Israel would ever be this bold? They believe they had stronger allies?

Seems like after the horrific Hamas attack on Israel this was inevitable. Many innocent people who are just grasping at survival suffer from the action of zealots. The Middle East is much more complex than Ukraine

 

[yoshi121374]

Seems like after the horrific Hamas attack on Israel this was inevitable. Many innocent people who are just grasping at survival suffer from the action of zealots. The Middle East is much more complex than Ukraine

The Middle East has thousands of years of religious zealots and history in the way. They have been fighting over that price of earth, for literal centuries.

 

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You can't trust a word out of his mouth. History repeating itself again.

User Clip: Netanyahu says 'no question' Saddam working on nuclear weapons

Benjamin Netanyahu lies in his congressional testimony, claiming that Saddam Hussein is building nuclear weapons

www.c-span.org

 

[ANEW]

You can't trust a word out of his mouth. History repeating itself again.

User Clip: Netanyahu says 'no question' Saddam working on nuclear weapons

Benjamin Netanyahu lies in his congressional testimony, claiming that Saddam Hussein is building nuclear weapons

www.c-span.org

Sounds like he is "Israel First"

 

[firegiver]

Attacking Iran simply because Israel started while Israel is committing a genocide seems off brand for the USA.

 

[ANEW]

Attacking Iran simply because Israel started while Israel is committing a genocide seems off brand for the USA.

gen·o·cide = Thee deliberate and systematic killing or persecution of a large number of people from a particular national or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group:

Israel is not committing genocide. Iran and others have threatened Israel with genocide, but that's not what Israel is doing. Legit to not agree with what they are doing but Israel is not going after the population as a primary target.

Iran's regime has threatened Israel with genocide. Rhetoric, maybe, but they have a track record of bankrolling and supporting terrorist attacks against Israel. So, i can understand if Israel would be a tiny bit apprehensive about them building nuclear weapons and the means to deliver them.

 

[fatpiggy]

How many people live in Tehran? 10 million I think. Don’t think you can evacuate 10 million

 

[fatpiggy]

Looks like the war mongers will get their way. Scary times. The Iranian regime has their backs against the wall and are desperate.

Hoping we don’t ignite wwiii.

Not sure what’s the purpose? We going for another failed regime change? Just want to destroy their nuclear program?

 

[firegiver]

gen·o·cide = Thee deliberate and systematic killing or persecution of a large number of people from a particular national or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group:

Israel is not committing genocide. Iran and others have threatened Israel with genocide, but that's not what Israel is doing. Legit to not agree with what they are doing but Israel is not going after the population as a primary target.

Iran's regime has threatened Israel with genocide. Rhetoric, maybe, but they have a track record of bankrolling and supporting terrorist attacks against Israel. So, i can understand if Israel would be a tiny bit apprehensive about them building nuclear weapons and the means to deliver them.

If you claim that its not debatable the systematic killing of all Palestinians and their theft of their land is a genocide. Then I'm afraid you might be completely brain washed.
They are starving them to death you toad.
Iran is a separate country with their own problems with Israel and of course they are shit bags themselves for funding terrorism. The issue here: I don't want to be funding or involved with the religious wars between Israel and muslim countries. I think Israel deserves to be a country, but they don't deserve to just butcher people.

 

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Looks like the war mongers will get their way. Scary times. The Iranian regime has their backs against the wall and are desperate.

Hoping we don’t ignite wwiii.

Not sure what’s the purpose? We going for another failed regime change? Just want to destroy their nuclear program?

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Yep, dragged into fighting another country's war. I'm holding onto the slim hope that Trump stays out of it, but I'm not holding my breath.

I used to think that the Jeffrey Epstein Mossad thing was BS. Not anymore.

 

[fatpiggy]

Yep, dragged into fighting another country's war. I'm holding out a slim hope that Trump stays out of it, but I'm not holding my breath.

I used to think that the Jeffrey Epstein Mossad thing was BS. Not anymore.

Lots of conflicting reports on whether the US will get directly involved. Hopefully Trump is just saber rattling.

 

[fatpiggy]

 

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Lots of conflicting reports on whether the US will get directly involved. Hopefully Trump is just saber rattling.

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Macron also said that we put forward a ceasefire proposal (who knows how realistic or when that was)

Lindsey Graham running his mouth on twitter as usual. Easy to talk when you’re not the one in harms way. So sick of warmongers.

 

[ANEW]

If you claim that its not debatable the systematic killing of all Palestinians and their theft of their land is a genocide. Then I'm afraid you might be completely brain washed.
They are starving them to death you toad.
Iran is a separate country with their own problems with Israel and of course they are shit bags themselves for funding terrorism. The issue here: I don't want to be funding or involved with the religious wars between Israel and muslim countries. I think Israel deserves to be a country, but they don't deserve to just butcher people.

We are talking about what is going on in Iran. Israel is not pursing genocide in Iran.

 

[firegiver]

We are talking about what is going on in Iran. Israel is not pursing genocide in Iran.

haha...hahahhahahahaha
We are talking about Germany invading Poland, Germany is not committing a genocide in Germany.

 

[ANEW]

Earlier today reports of US aerial refueling aircraft moving. Why?
1. Part of our contingency planning? 2. Increasin us participation short of actually attacking..by supporting Israel with them. (Israel has 6 old ones which is a major constraint on Israel's ability to maintain persistent air presence over Iran and to conduct deep strikes). 3. We are planning on joining in.

Armada Of USAF Tankers Just Deployed East Over Atlantic Spurring Speculation (Updated)

The mysterious migration could signal a major contingency being put in place or even a change in U.S. policy on the Iran-Israel war.

www.twz.com

 

[Dadar]

 

[Dadar]

This is the most straight forward commentary on the Gaza situation I have seen.

Hope both sides will watch this and not going ape shit because it is Clinton

 

[tboonpickens]

 

[tboonpickens]

whoops

 

[ANEW]

Analysis on Iran's threats/ ability to close the strait of Hormuz

Could Iran Carry Out Its Threat To Shut Down The Strait Of Hormuz?

The threat of Iran closing the Strait has persisted for many decades, and it has built unique capabilities to do exactly that.

www.twz.com

 

[yoshi121374]

This is the most straight forward commentary on the Gaza situation I have seen.

Hope both sides will watch this and not going ape shit because it is Clinton

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God I miss that level of ability to discuss and distill complex items. I can't think of any politician in my lifetime who was better at that.

 

[tboonpickens]

 

[Dadar]

God I miss that level of ability to discuss and distill complex items. I can't think of any politician in my lifetime who was better at that.

I was not a Clinton fan back in the day, but today in hindsight he is so much better than what has followed imho

 

[Dadar]

Macron also said that we put forward a ceasefire proposal (who knows how realistic or when that was)

Lindsey Graham running his mouth on twitter as usual. Easy to talk when you’re not the one in harms way. So sick of warmongers.

Hard to see Lindsay doing anything without Trump approval. Seems like we have seen Trump bark at him before

Have to remember Trump and only Trump can define how "One American" can be defined since he invented it.

 

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Hard to see Lindsay doing anything without Trump approval. Seems like we have seen Trump bark at him before

Could also be one too many mint juleps talking

 

[tboonpickens]

Uh-oh Trump losing MTG too?

 

[dpic73]

Uh-oh Trump losing MTG too?

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Love this response from one of the favorite accounts I follow

 

[Dadar]

Uh-oh Trump losing MTG too?

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Don't tell TG

TG may be her child