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US/Israel to move on Iran soon?

We can say that if or when Israel and Saudi Arabia normalize relations. Otherwise a large part of Sinwar's assessment is correct, that they could get Israel to take off its mask and go wild.

They'll never admit it publically, but to Hamas, Israel engaging in a devasting war and kicking the Palestinians out is a better outcome than the sort of slow death they were facing before. It will keep anger and war alive in the region. They won't disappear in exile. Exile radicalized them.

As far as the assault itself, they got what they wanted from it. The media has largely moved on from their attrocities (roughly 800 civilians killed, women raped, surrendering soldiers killed), and the military aspect was a humiliation for the Israelis.
If Iran left Israel alone, there would be no problem. Israel doesn't seek confrontation, but they do respond to it.

They just can't do it though.

"DEATH TO AMERICA, DEATH TO ISRAEL". What part of this do you not understand?
 
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The exact sort of thing I've been harping on. The military operation goes very well, let's say as well as possible, and we still aren't out of the weeds.

We didn't want Iran to have a nuke next week*. Good. We don't want them to have a nuke in a few years either, so what's changed in that regard? Same regime, a bunch of enriched uranium potentially squirreled away, and they can rebuild or replace the facilities we destroyed. You're left repeating this situation indefinitely, pushing for a regime change, or trying a different approach.

Let's assume Iran was secretly developing a nuke even with the JCPOA. You don't think they'll try to do the same again with access to more uranium after having been deliberately deceived during negotiations and bombed?

*Rubio implied again we had no concrete indication to believe that was happening.
"having been deliberately deceived during negotiations and bombed?"

I will never understand you folks. That's because there is no understanding you.

You never take the side of America. I don't understand that.
 
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"having been deliberately deceived during negotiations and bombed?"

I will never understand you folks. That's because there is no understanding you.

You never take the side of America. I don't understand that.
Have you read anything I posted about the history of Iran going back to the regime before the Shah?
 
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Oil prices down another 4% after hours. This will release tension on the rate of inflation and thus Intrest rates should be lowered. I expect the market to react positively barring new events.
Jay-Rome is never going to let that happen. It's a DAMN shame people like this are allowed to get this much power in America.
 
"We love you, God!" 🤦‍♂️

Does he think God is sitting at home watching him on Fox News? I'm sure God appreciated the shout-out from this idiot. Trump fooling all the religious lunatics into following him remains the best argument for atheism ever created.

Even Vance is like WTF while Rubio appears to be blinking morse code like a beaten down hostage.

Geezus.

You damn leftist always find something to bitch and complain about. Always. Even in the midst of something historic you find the stupidest thing to complain about.

Idiots.
 
Absolute clown show in DC right now. None of us is shocked.



And of course...there's always a past tweet that now pertains to a current MAGA shitshow.

The clown show is your representatives that hate the US like Bernie and AOC crying about not being a part of the decision.

Where were you when Obama and Biden made decisions to bomb the middle east without consulting Congress?

You libs are so soft, pathetic and hypocritical. Fake. Emotional. Dumbasses.
 
I'm still confused as to what the problem is.

We aren't at war. Literally did not have 1 extra person step foot on foreign ground as a result of this.

If you think this is a war, that explains why you all are so stupid.

Gave Iran 60 days. They FAFO. They agree to ceasefire.

Man - that seems like it worked?
 
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I'm still confused as to what the problem is.

We aren't at war. Literally did not have 1 extra person step foot on foreign ground as a result of this.

If you think this is a war, that explains why you all are so stupid.

Gave Iran 60 days. They FAFO. They agree to ceasefire.

Man - that seems like it worked?
Not sure how mocking Laura Loomer for her flip-flop caused you to direct this bs at me as I support disarming Iran but I think it's hilarious that the maga base trusted him to be the peace candidate and he hasn't done shit to end the Gaza or Ukraine war, you know, the one he was going to end the day after the election? Bottom line, I don't trust him to end this cleanly despite what he said today. He's an immoral buffoon with a clown cabinet and now we're directly or indirectly engaged in three hostilities in the world without the competence at the top to end them effectively. But if you're trying to say I don't support the dismantling of Iran's nuclear program, I haven't given you the evidence to make that charge - stupid.
 
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Not sure how mocking Laura Loomer for her flip-flop caused you to direct this bs at me as I support disarming Iran but I think it's hilarious that the maga base trusted him to be the peace candidate and he hasn't done shit to end the Gaza or Ukraine war, you know, the one he was going to end the day after the election? Bottom line, I don't trust him to end this cleanly despite what he said today. He's an immoral buffoon with a clown cabinet and now we're directly or indirectly engaged in three hostilities in the world without the competence at the top to end them effectively. But if you're trying to say I don't support the dismantling of Iran's nuclear program, I haven't given you the evidence to make that charge - stupid.
Someone remind dude why Iran had a nuclear program in the first place that we had to allegedly be worried about again...
 
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Not sure how mocking Laura Loomer for her flip-flop caused you to direct this bs at me as I support disarming Iran but I think it's hilarious that the maga base trusted him to be the peace candidate and he hasn't done shit to end the Gaza or Ukraine war, you know, the one he was going to end the day after the election? Bottom line, I don't trust him to end this cleanly despite what he said today. He's an immoral buffoon with a clown cabinet and now we're directly or indirectly engaged in three hostilities in the world without the competence at the top to end them effectively. But if you're trying to say I don't support the dismantling of Iran's nuclear program, I haven't given you the evidence to make that charge - stupid.
Immoral bafoon may be right, but the immoral part is rich especially coming from the side that endorses and supports what you all do.

Insane that the reason you claim you hate him is exactly what you are.
 
Someone remind dude why Iran had a nuclear program in the first place that we had to allegedly be worried about again...
Are you all unable to use clear logic and intuition at all?

Let’s use the 60% enriched argument and it not being enough to make a simple nuclear weapon. Why go to the effort of enriching to 60% to begin with?

You only need 3-5% for civilian electricity use. So why 60%?
 
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Are you all unable to use clear logic and intuition at all?

Let’s use the 60% enriched argument and it not being enough to make a simple nuclear weapon. Why go to the effort of enriching to 60% to begin with?

You only need 3-5% for civilian electricity use. So why 60%?

Again, as he said, nobody on this board has been against disarming Iran.

The concerns are whether Trump can show enough discipline in messaging and planning to bring anything to a peaceful end. I also have issues with the weird verbal fellating of Trump that apparently is a requirement to be on his cabinet.
 
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Again, as he said, nobody on this board has been against disarming Iran.

The concerns are whether Trump can show enough discipline in messaging and planning to bring anything to a peaceful end. I also have issues with the weird verbal fellating of Trump that apparently is a requirement to be on his cabinet.
Fair enough.

But to say nobody has been against, you are wrong. There are also those who may believe that but don’t want us to act to eliminate that. Iran does NOT respond to words, so let’s stop with the ignorant comments about Trump and wars. He isn’t dealing with people in their right minds. You can’t reason with some people.
 
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Trump evidently got Israel to turn aournd a strike package that they had going in. Trump trying to preserve the cease fire.

Trump has been consistent on trying to end fighting everywhere. I'm torn about that as far as Israel and Iran are concerned, tbh. I would love to see Israel keep pounding IRGC and military targets. Hopefully it's been enough to produce some change ot the status quo for the better.
 
Immoral bafoon may be right, but the immoral part is rich especially coming from the side that endorses and supports what you all do.

Insane that the reason you claim you hate him is exactly what you are.
This is you using a LibsofTikTok video to extrapolate what I support. Unlike you, I haven't abandoned my moral compass to support the worst human being ever to run for President in our nation's history. Lame charge
 
they're all so embarrassing. it's like listening to the ass kissers on this forum with audio.

Stephen Miller is gross

Also, you must not criticize dear leader or his side piece. Free speech my ass



"Mads told Nordlys he tried to explain the images as being harmless and meant as jokes but the immigration authorities ignored his pleas. He claims he was then strip-searched, forced to give blood samples, a facial scan and fingerprints.

"Later I was taken back in, and the situation got even worse. I was pushed up against a wall and was strip-searched with a lot of force. They were incredibly harsh and used physical force the whole time," he claimed.

"I felt completely devastated and broke down, and was close to crying several times. I was on the verge of panic. It felt like I was a terrorist suspect where I was sitting. I tried to pull myself together several times, but in the end, I just wanted to get home again."

The Norwegian adds he was placed in a cell for a further five hours, refused food or water and placed on a plane back to Oslo the same day he arrived for the holiday of a lifetime. "I don't feel there is any point in contacting the State Department, nor do I think they have any power against such a powerful and strict country as the United States," Mads conceded.

 
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Iranian hardliners have more legitimacy than ever, their military is still intact (they hit Beersheba with a missile right before the ceasefire and killed 5 people), they'll keep selling oil, and we'll be back to Iran being a week away from a nuke within a couple of years. If the goal is to not see Iran with the bomb at all, whether it's one week, one year, or one decade from now, you're either talking them to or fighting a long war. Nothing has changed in that regard after the tactical achievements we saw.

In the meantime, 20 Israelis are still held alive in Gaza with the IDF embroiled in endless urban combat. The genius of Benjamin Netanyahu.

Kudos to Trump for telling him that enough is enough and keeping us out of a regime change operation in the Middle East! We've got 50 states to worry about before the 51st.
 
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