USA Today Hatchet Job on Clemson
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Exactly. People on here are offended
What do you people expect.
Dabo is serving them up.
Everybody on here knows Dabo is looking out for the players.
Reality, he's just making it easy for Kirby to cut his ass when they go head to head.
yup. Right or wrong, he's given WAY too much ammo to rival recruiters lately. Like it isn't already hard enough for us to win elite recruits in today's game
You usually at least see some viewpoint writhing the editorial page of even newspapers like the Washington Post and NYT that are famous for their liberal slant. But you see none of that at any of the major sports outlets.
I think you may be right that there was a lot more diversity of opinion when local newspapers were healthier. Their sports pages most likely had writers with various opinions that were more reflective of fans.
I don’t really agree with that poster, but I’ll say that the outlets you cited are explicitly ideologically partisan. But even within those outlets, you’ll find differing opinions about issues. Somehow, sports media has become even more monolithic than explicitly partisan media outlets.
It always ticks me off when people say, like this writer, that college athletes don't get paid.
It's like the lie of "FREE public education".
It's TOTALLY DISHONEST!
At Clemson, it's not JUST $125,000 worth of education, it's also top tier football and strength training, incredible facilities and diet, medical care, perks like clothes, a living per diem, etc, etc, etc. All told, probably over 250k worth of goods and services.
And a quality education to prepare you to be successful in life.
It works out to about $80k/ year.
Not too bad. Esp considering MOST of them never play in the pros.
But let's not let the details get in the way.
It's like the lie of "FREE public education".
It's TOTALLY DISHONEST!
At Clemson, it's not JUST $125,000 worth of education, it's also top tier football and strength training, incredible facilities and diet, medical care, perks like clothes, a living per diem, etc, etc, etc. All told, probably over 250k worth of goods and services.
And a quality education to prepare you to be successful in life.
It works out to about $80k/ year.
Not too bad. Esp considering MOST of them never play in the pros.
But let's not let the details get in the way.
Spot on as usual LW. In the moment these comments can be twisted to look bad. The top 5% in CFB will be just fine. As a former player, I’m well aware of the inflated sense of self worth and the “I’m not playing because coach doesn’t like me guy”. Many of those guys are jumping in the portal. Let’s start doing stories on the amount of those guys left without a chair. That stuff is real and I hope real journalists (what few are left) start to look into that dark side of this “free market”. Like almost everything, there is a winner and a loser here.
Why would the value of what Clemson provides have anything to do with them earning money from a second job while they are in school? Why is an athlete any different than a kid on academic scholarship? And why on earth should Dabo care as long as they go to school, come to practice, give 110%, and rub that rock on Saturdays?
Just a thought…Dabo started out making $800k per year as head coach and has built this program to what it is today…he’s earned every penny. What has an 18-22 year old earned? Especially when a high school kid is getting $1 million dollar or more NIL deals?
The system is definitely a step in the right direction but the Wild West needs to be toned down a bit.
I believe Dabo is spot on that NIL needs to be tied to college education. That’s what the players are there for…or should be there for. Given that most won’t ever see an NFL practice field…
I’m happy Dabo is standing his ground as not all negative press is bad press. I don’t feel that much will change…the players that are attracted to Clemson and playing for Dabo …will still choose Clemson.
The system is definitely a step in the right direction but the Wild West needs to be toned down a bit.
I believe Dabo is spot on that NIL needs to be tied to college education. That’s what the players are there for…or should be there for. Given that most won’t ever see an NFL practice field…
I’m happy Dabo is standing his ground as not all negative press is bad press. I don’t feel that much will change…the players that are attracted to Clemson and playing for Dabo …will still choose Clemson.
Well said Larry
I hear you, the value is astronomical, not taxed, and never mentioned by those whining about player “compensation “ let them pay income taxes on literally everything they receive from a school as well as nil. The total value for one year at a major D1 program would exceed $200,000 easily. Fair is fair. I’m sure the IRS will at some point say the same thing, and this whole thing will come crashing down.
Im sure they’d love the minor league football alternative- get paid $300 a week. Ride in a bus for 10 hrs a day between venues and stay in stinky motels. Woo Hoo!!
And they are given way more opportunities and resources by which to succeed because of their gift. How many would be accepted into Clemson if they were not athletically gifted? So yes, they are allowed to attend and they both reap a reward for their attendance.
You know why they haven’t acknowledged it? Because they are so bought into professionalizing college sports that they don’t care about graduation. It’s quaint to them at this point.
Heres the thing about the tax idea. I guarantee you that the crowd that says the athletes should be paid (because the coaches make millions) believe that nothing that the athletes currently receive should change and that they should get hundreds of thousands of dollars if not millions on top of it. Most of these same people don’t realize that while college football programs take in tens of millions of dollars, lots of programs already spend more than they make.
A seldom mentioned potential flaw to paying the athletes is the Title IX issues. I have no idea how that plays into it. Can the school have some athletes as employees and some as traditional student-athletes? Can they be paid differently? I have no idea and don’t presume to know.
saban said the same thing swinney did and far less eloquently. Saban said the latest changes were ruining the sport. I don’t think either of these guys have a problem with NIL. They both would like to see it tied to something like graduation.
Absolutely.
It's possible to be in favor of a free market while also being fair-minded enough to honestly examine all aspects of that free market, warts and all.
I think so many of these media voices are so entrenched in a particular position/opinion that it's natural for them to ignore stuff that runs counter to that position. It's unfortunate.
Many do think it is all about the optics and the narrative for some people.
Some think Dabo's overwhelming commitment to his players, the way he continues to promote their long range success, works as hard to ensure than earn degrees as win games, how his players love him when they become pros, or teachers, or how he hires as many of them to work for him in a money making business and even how kids who transfer away from Clemson still promote the man and the astounding rate at which he wins football games, that he and Clemson will continue to have success. A great many people do not believe what the media has to say about the optics and the narrative.Many think that the media is always slanted and the sports media always supports the SEC over any and everyone else.
What I recall is that the sports media has championed the NIL and the Transfer Portal for a long long time. I think the implementation of those practices strikes most of us as inherently unlikely to benefit college football in the long run.
I think my job as a Clemson fan to try to defeat bad takes by no-name media guys that reflect badly on Dabo and Clemson.
I also think people like me, and perhaps you seem pretty silly trying to advise Dabo on how to improve his personal optics. That would be akin to me telling Warren Buffett how to make money. I think Dabo's optics are terrific nationally among high school coaches and among the people who have played and worked for him.
Go Tigers!!
Exactamundo sir.
Our culture= style over substance, “optics” over comprehensive in-depth analysis, instant gratification over long range goals and success,
self promotion and wealth over everything and everyone else. Screw tradition and the people who will follow in my footsteps.
I think you’ve got things right here. Optics depend on framing, and of course the people framing this issue have set things up in such a way that it’s very difficult to criticize anything they like without making “bad optics.”
It’s also possible to be generally favorable to free markets without thinking it’s wrong to limit a market. In Irving Kristol’s words, “two cheers for capitalism,” but we can reserve that third cheer to consider whether a market is appropriate.
But you don’t even need to go that far into evaluation of the situation to more comprehensible describe things as they are, which I think is what you’re saying.
I wish Elon Musk would drop $100M into the recruiting coffers of a school like Wake Forest so they could have the top recruiting class for the foreseeable future and start kicking everyone's ass in the SEC (including us and the rest of college football)
That's the only way these guys will see how much they are hurting the sport......if they really care at all.
That's the only way these guys will see how much they are hurting the sport......if they really care at all.
This article was written to only include negative takes on Dabo and to prop up what the SEC teams are doing supposedly in contrast to what Dabo does. This guys left out necessary facts that would actually be able to help a reader develop their own opinion.
did DJ and Bresee and other players not have NIL deals that supposedly Dabo is against?
did Clemson need a 5* QB transfer, or did it actually get one from Hunter Johnson. To go along with the one playing. And the one that is now enrolled?
and why not actually question why aTm has never had a top recruiting class until they were able to throw money at recruits.
what about all of UGAs players that are now leaving and entering the portal. Or do a followup in a year with how many of aTms players are still there and whether Rattler does anything in Columbia.
or since this guy is the SEC writer writing about a non SEC team. Why not mention other non SEC teams since he is now coloring outside the lines.
did DJ and Bresee and other players not have NIL deals that supposedly Dabo is against?
did Clemson need a 5* QB transfer, or did it actually get one from Hunter Johnson. To go along with the one playing. And the one that is now enrolled?
and why not actually question why aTm has never had a top recruiting class until they were able to throw money at recruits.
what about all of UGAs players that are now leaving and entering the portal. Or do a followup in a year with how many of aTms players are still there and whether Rattler does anything in Columbia.
or since this guy is the SEC writer writing about a non SEC team. Why not mention other non SEC teams since he is now coloring outside the lines.
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