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[fatpiggy]

Where is tbe 25th amendment. Why is Kamala scared to stand up and say something? Why won’t she tell the truth to the American people? Hint: it’s because she is very weak.

Gross incompetence by the whole Democrat Party to allow this to happen. We have someone who is not fit for office…. In the office.

This is really bad. They should not be allowed to hold the keys to Government if this is how they care for it.

 

[fatpiggy]

 

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[okclem]

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Jeez he's right! I didn't even think about that. It's a good thing this isn't a hostage situation then.

 

[Budgripe86]

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Come on @fatpiggy! They’re just fighting for our DEMOCRACY

 

[okclem]

Lots of excellent commentary itt

 

[Budgripe86]

Lots of excellent commentary itt

How would you evaluate the matter of Biden being replaced on the ticket?

Are we to expect that both parties will now be replacing their elected candidates if their poll numbers are sub-par?

 

[okclem]

How would you evaluate the matter of Biden being replaced on the ticket?

Are we to expect that both parties will now be replacing their elected candidates if their poll numbers are sub-par?

What is there to evaluate? I genuinely don't understand the question. Are you asking how I think a replacement should be named?

To your other question, I have no idea what to expect. One of the two already has. If the other one does, so be be it. There is absolutely nothing from preventing Donald Trump from withdrawing from the race due to his clear cognitive decline and unfitness for the office. In fact, he better, or he will lose again.

 

[dpic73]

What is there to evaluate? I genuinely don't understand the question. Are you asking how I think a replacement should be named?

To your other question, I have no idea what to expect. One of the two already has. If the other one does, so be be it. There is absolutely nothing from preventing Donald Trump from withdrawing from the race due to his clear cognitive decline and unfitness for the office. In fact, he better, or he will lose again.

They're now saying they won't allow the Dems to win - these people are sick!

"Ohio State Sen. George Lang threatened “civil war” if former President Donald Trump loses in November at a rally in Ohio Sen. JD Vance’s hometown ahead of the Republican vice presidential nominee’s remarks on Monday.

“I believe wholeheartedly Donald Trump and Butler County's JD Vance are the last chance to save our country politically. I'm afraid if we lose this one, it's going to take a civil war to save the country,” Lang said at the Middletown, Ohio, rally at Vance’s high school alma mater.

“And it will be saved. It's the greatest experiment in the history of mankind, and if we come down to a civil war I’m glad we got people like… Bikers for Trump on our side.”

At Vance rally, Ohio lawmaker invokes ‘civil war’ if Trump loses

The Harris campaign condemned the remark and demanded the Trump campaign apologize.

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[okclem]

They're now saying they won't allow the Dems to win - these people are sick!

"Ohio State Sen. George Lang threatened “civil war” if former President Donald Trump loses in November at a rally in Ohio Sen. JD Vance’s hometown ahead of the Republican vice presidential nominee’s remarks on Monday.

“I believe wholeheartedly Donald Trump and Butler County's JD Vance are the last chance to save our country politically. I'm afraid if we lose this one, it's going to take a civil war to save the country,” Lang said at the Middletown, Ohio, rally at Vance’s high school alma mater.

“And it will be saved. It's the greatest experiment in the history of mankind, and if we come down to a civil war I’m glad we got people like… Bikers for Trump on our side.”

At Vance rally, Ohio lawmaker invokes ‘civil war’ if Trump loses

The Harris campaign condemned the remark and demanded the Trump campaign apologize.

spectrumnews1.com

Unity 🤝

 

[Budgripe86]

What is there to evaluate? I genuinely don't understand the question. Are you asking how I think a replacement should be named?

To your other question, I have no idea what to expect. One of the two already has. If the other one does, so be be it. There is absolutely nothing from preventing Donald Trump from withdrawing from the race due to his clear cognitive decline and unfitness for the office. In fact, he better, or he will lose again.

Do you believe Biden was replaced because of his cognitive decline or because his polling #’s were so poor?

My feeling is that if he were polling better he’d still be the nominee. They didn’t seem to care about his cognitive condition until after the debate when it became clear that there was zero chance they could repair the damage done.

If Biden or Trump had some sort of medical emergency precluding them from carrying out the campaign that would be one thing, but securing the nomination and then dropping out because of the political pressure from poor polling #’s is another matter entirely.

I think it sets a potential precedence for future elections in where the democratic process is subverted for political party expediency.

 

[Budgripe86]

They're now saying they won't allow the Dems to win - these people are sick!

"Ohio State Sen. George Lang threatened “civil war” if former President Donald Trump loses in November at a rally in Ohio Sen. JD Vance’s hometown ahead of the Republican vice presidential nominee’s remarks on Monday.

“I believe wholeheartedly Donald Trump and Butler County's JD Vance are the last chance to save our country politically. I'm afraid if we lose this one, it's going to take a civil war to save the country,” Lang said at the Middletown, Ohio, rally at Vance’s high school alma mater.

“And it will be saved. It's the greatest experiment in the history of mankind, and if we come down to a civil war I’m glad we got people like… Bikers for Trump on our side.”

At Vance rally, Ohio lawmaker invokes ‘civil war’ if Trump loses

The Harris campaign condemned the remark and demanded the Trump campaign apologize.

spectrumnews1.com

Absolutely disgusting rhetoric. Based off what’s been released on the shooter so far it seems it could’ve just as easily been Biden hit by the would be assassin. This type of fear mongering and dehumanization has to stop. If not, I fear what we saw last Saturday is just the beginning.

 

[okclem]

Do you believe Biden was replaced because of his cognitive decline or because his polling #’s were so poor?

My feeling is that if he were polling better he’d still be the nominee. They didn’t seem to care about his cognitive condition until after the debate when it became clear that there was zero chance they could repair the damage done.

If Biden or Trump had some sort of medical emergency precluding them from carrying out the campaign that would be one thing, but securing the nomination and then dropping out because of the political pressure from poor polling #’s is another matter entirely.

I think it sets a potential precedence for future elections in where the democratic process is subverted for political party expediency.

To be very clear, I do not think Biden was replaced. That is a deliberate mischaracterization of what happened, and I'm not answering the question as it's written.

I think he withdrew because he was finally convinced by polling that he couldn't win.

 

[dpic73]

Do you believe Biden was replaced because of his cognitive decline or because his polling #’s were so poor?

My feeling is that if he were polling better he’d still be the nominee. They didn’t seem to care about his cognitive condition until after the debate when it became clear that there was zero chance they could repair the damage done.

If Biden or Trump had some sort of medical emergency precluding them from carrying out the campaign that would be one thing, but securing the nomination and then dropping out because of the political pressure from poor polling #’s is another matter entirely.

I think it sets a potential precedence for future elections in where the democratic process is subverted for political party expediency.

I'm not going to lie, you're making a very good point. We all know that it was unlikely he could make it to 86 years old but he still wouldn't have dropped out without the pressure from the party. It was also best for the country but the scenario you point out is food for thought. He needs to say it's because he doesn't think his health will hold out but I doubt he would. Nonetheless, something to chew over.

 

[Budgripe86]

To be very clear, I do not think Biden was replaced. That is a deliberate mischaracterization of what happened, and I'm not answering the question as it's written.

I think he withdrew because he was finally convinced by polling that he couldn't win.

Judging by the amount of political pressure from the media and heavy hitters in his own party I think my characterization is fair one to arrive upon. If he were finally convinced as you put it there was certainly a high level pressure campaign of convincing going on.

To the second part of my question- do you have any issue with a candidate dropping from the race after being voted the party’s nominee if polling suggests there’s little to no path to victory? Thereby leaving it up to a situation similar to the one we have today?

 

[Budgripe86]

I'm not going to lie, you're making a very good point. We all know that it was unlikely he could make it to 86 years old but he still wouldn't have dropped out without the pressure from the party. It was also best for the country but the scenario you point out is food for thought. He needs to say it's because he doesn't think his health will hold out but I doubt he would. Nonetheless, something to chew over.

I understand what you mean by best for the country, but I’m not so sure. Best for the party in this particular election, at this point in time, no doubt. Best for the country, in my opinion, would’ve been an acknowledgment of everything you stated regarding Biden prior to the primaries and openit up to the electorate to decide.

 

[dpic73]

I understand what you mean by best for the country, but I’m not so sure. Best for the party in this particular election, at this point in time, no doubt. Best for the country, in my opinion, would’ve been an acknowledgment of everything you stated regarding Biden prior to the primaries and opened it up to the electorate to decide.

Well sure but he's a stubborn old man who's dedicated his life to public service and I can see why he wanted to finish the job he started. In his mind, he was doing what's best for the country by staying in the race and remember that he didn't believe the poll numbers were real. I also understand why the people in his inner circle wanted to give him a wide berth to make his own decision because he's earned the right to do so.

But your point about replacing someone on the ballot if they're underwater is a legitimate concern that we probably need to address so that it doesn't become the rule going forward.

 

[Budgripe86]

Well sure but he's a stubborn old man who's dedicated his life to public service and I can see why he wanted to finish the job he started. In his mind, he was doing what's best for the country by staying in the race and remember that he didn't believe the poll numbers were real. I also understand why the people in his inner circle wanted to give him a wide berth to make his own decision because he's earned the right to do so.

But your point about replacing someone on the ballot if they're underwater is a legitimate concern that we probably need to address so that it doesn't become the rule going forward.

I appreciate your take on this. And I totally get it from Biden’s perspective, I don’t blame or have ill will towards him one bit on this issue. I’d most likely be doing the same if I were in his position and condition.

 

[okclem]

Judging by the amount of political pressure from the media and heavy hitters in his own party I think my characterization is fair one to arrive upon. If he were finally convinced as you put it there was certainly a high level pressure campaign of convincing going on.

To the second part of my question- do you have any issue with a candidate dropping from the race after being voted the party’s nominee if polling suggests there’s little to no path to victory? Thereby leaving it up to a situation similar to the one we have today?

Agree to disagree on the first point.

2nd point - I have no issue whatsoever with Biden deciding to withdraw from the race at any point, for any reason. Ditto for Trump, or any candidate from either party in the future.

 

[Budgripe86]

Agree to disagree on the first point.

2nd point - I have no issue whatsoever with Biden deciding to withdraw from the race at any point, for any reason. Ditto for Trump, or any candidate from either party in the future.

Should we save the country some $$, do away with the primaries and just have our party brokers decide who the nominee for the party should be? That would make it much easier and less contentious if someone needs to step aside due to poor polling.

Heck you could even have certain polling thresholds that must be achieved at certain points in time in order to retain the nomination.

 

[okclem]

Should we save the country some $$, do away with the primaries and just have our party brokers decide who the nominee for the party should be? That would make it much easier and less contentious if someone needs to step aside due to poor polling.

Heck you could even have certain polling thresholds that must be achieved at certain points in time in order to retain the nomination.

No interviews. Respect my decision.

 

[Budgripe86]

No interviews. Respect my decision.

Bro! You engage with right wing conspiracy theorist all day but you won’t engage in a serious convo with me??

I’m not trying to pick a fight, just genuinely curious.

 

[TigerGrowls]

They're now saying they won't allow the Dems to win - these people are sick!

"Ohio State Sen. George Lang threatened “civil war” if former President Donald Trump loses in November at a rally in Ohio Sen. JD Vance’s hometown ahead of the Republican vice presidential nominee’s remarks on Monday.

“I believe wholeheartedly Donald Trump and Butler County's JD Vance are the last chance to save our country politically. I'm afraid if we lose this one, it's going to take a civil war to save the country,” Lang said at the Middletown, Ohio, rally at Vance’s high school alma mater.

“And it will be saved. It's the greatest experiment in the history of mankind, and if we come down to a civil war I’m glad we got people like… Bikers for Trump on our side.”

At Vance rally, Ohio lawmaker invokes ‘civil war’ if Trump loses

The Harris campaign condemned the remark and demanded the Trump campaign apologize.

spectrumnews1.com

 

[fatpiggy]

Lots of rumors Biden has another Medical Emergency.

 

[fatpiggy]

Well sure but he's a stubborn old man who's dedicated his life to public service and I can see why he wanted to finish the job he started. In his mind, he was doing what's best for the country by staying in the race and remember that he didn't believe the poll numbers were real. I also understand why the people in his inner circle wanted to give him a wide berth to make his own decision because he's earned the right to do so.

But your point about replacing someone on the ballot if they're underwater is a legitimate concern that we probably need to address so that it doesn't become the rule going forward.

So you are trying to sweep the votes of millions of Democrats under the rug?

Kamala will be your candidate and you will like it! We know she is highly unpopular but you will like it! We know she polled at 1% but you will like it! We know she has the iq of a doorknob, but you WILL vote for her.

All the little lemmings go get in line like you are supposed to.

 

[fatpiggy]

 

[CUTiger1977]

 

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[fatpiggy]

Rumors Biden to resign tomorrow

 

[dpic73]

Rumors Biden to resign tomorrow

Your sources suck

 

[fatpiggy]

So is Biden going to stay President? Why wouldn't he just resign and let Kamala get some runway?

The democrats are going to have to wear the dementia label like a dead weight until Biden is gone.

 

[fatpiggy]

 

[hopefultiger13]

How would you evaluate the matter of Biden being replaced on the ticket?

Are we to expect that both parties will now be replacing their elected candidates if their poll numbers are sub-par?

I don't have a problem with this AT ALL.

Starting in 2016, both parties have put up candidates that are pure CRAP. We'd be a LOT better off if we picked a bunch of moderates that everyone can live with instead of people more toward the extreme end of their parties.

 

[Budgripe86]

I don't have a problem with this AT ALL.

Starting in 2016, both parties have put up candidates that are pure CRAP. We'd be a LOT better off if we picked a bunch of moderates that everyone can live with instead of people more toward the extreme end of their parties.

Yea I just disagree completely for so many different reasons. Let’s just put the final nail in the American Experiment at that point. The amount of people who have expressed support for that view is shocking actually.

 

[hopefultiger13]

Yea I just disagree completely for so many different reasons. Let’s just put the final nail in the American Experiment at that point. The amount of people who have expressed support for that view is shocking actually.

So replacing candidates that are UNPOPULAR with voters with candidates that ARE POPULAR (or are at least not hated) with the people that are voting is putting the final nail in the American experiment? How do you figure?

 

[Budgripe86]

So replacing candidates that are UNPOPULAR with voters with candidates that ARE POPULAR (or are at least not hated) with the people that are voting is putting the final nail in the American experiment? How do you figure?

No I was referring to this:

To the second part of my question- do you have any issue with a candidate dropping from the race after being voted the party’s nominee if polling suggests there’s little to no path to victory? Thereby leaving it up to a situation similar to the one we have today?

I do agree that Biden shouldn’t be the nominee. But that should’ve been decided by the voters, not a reactionary group of politicians aided by the pressure of the media.

My concern is that this will be one of those decisions that happens in a time of crises and isn’t recognized for what it is in the craziness of the past 10 days. I can see this becoming normalized in the future.

 

[fatpiggy]

So replacing candidates that are UNPOPULAR with voters with candidates that ARE POPULAR (or are at least not hated) with the people that are voting is putting the final nail in the American experiment? How do you figure?

Democracy did not pick Kamala Harris.

4000 Democrats Annointed her.

 

[Budgripe86]

Democracy did not pick Kamala Harris.

4000 Democrats Annointed her.

You know it’s a crazy time in our country when fatpiggy and the Black Lives Matter leadership agree on an issue.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/black-lives-matter-demands-dnc-host-virtual-primary-2024-07-23/