When will these surges end?

[tigerjl]

To answer your question: I think the main reason most be who are vaccinated are so concerned about those
that don't is simply they go vaccinated because they are convinced it works. Their opinion is that the easiest
way out of this pandemic is to have everyone possible vaccinated.

There are many good points in this thread by the antivaxers. I agree that many of the statistics we see published by the government or in the newspaper are way off. The number of cases is questionable because of bad tests, counting the same case multiple times, and not being able to identify the peoples who had "silent" Covid and were never tested. The number of Covid deaths is a joke. Many of those people were on the brink of death when they got Covid and "maybe" Covid tipped them over the edge. In my opinion, that should not be considered a death caused by Covid. I hear that doctors and hospitals make more money if it is deemed a Covid death. Some of you better informed than me might want to weigh in on that.

The point that I disagree with is the concept that the vaccine doesn't work. My opinion and observations is that it works and works very well. My concept of working is that I may be infected with Covid, but there is a 95% chance that I will be asymptomatic and a 5% chance that I will have mild symptoms, There is almost no chance that I will have severe Covid. So far my experience with my friends and my patients supports my position. If I see that is not the case, I will post it on TI immediately.

Thanks for your well thought out response. Enjoy the dialogue my friend.

 

[TigerGrowls]

The article you reference is mainly focused on spikes around the world that are greatly behind Usa in vaccination rates. In the USA over 50% of adults have had at least one shot, with millions more getting shots everyday. We are likely at herd immunity or will be in next few weeks besides a few hot spots that will go down soon

But big brother will mandate that you all get your yearly covid shots....mark it down. I will take my chances with a 99+ survival rate.

 

[wmnesbitt]

I bet the numbers will take a sharp decline if the funding allowances to hospitals go away.

when free money is involved statistics can be thrown out the window.

 

[hopefultiger13]

Understood, I guess I meant when will these spikes stop and when will it be under control. Because it’s not despite tons of people being vaccinated.

This is actually a really good question. First of all with that number of folks vaccinated, it's just over 25% of the population of the US (and remember, it takes another 2 weeks to become mostly immune). Most experts expect some sort of herd immunity effects showing up when vaccine rates start hitting when between 75% and 90% of the population is vaccinated. The above is verifiable by heading to the CDC.

This is speculation, but I'm thinking you are going to start seeing some real change in new cases when we get between 40% and 50% of the population vaccinated. The bottom line here is that there are a ton of folks that have vaccines now and that should slow things down. But you also have a ton of places that have dropped the requirement for masks and contact already. Here in Idaho, all the "mask required" signs are gone from local businesses and are only still in the large chain type stores. So while you have folks not getting as sick, you also have the folks that don't have the vaccine yet running around like it's all over.

 

[SconnyTiger25]

When we stop all this crazy testing. The more tests, the more positives. Plus a lot of these rapid tests aren’t accurate.
Another question. When a person tests positive on a rapid test, most times they are retested to confirm. Does that get double counted? In most cases is say it does.

It doesn’t help when the vaccines are leading to more positive cases also or spikes in cases

 

[92TigerME]

Understood, I guess I meant when will these spikes stop and when will it be under control. Because it’s not despite tons of people being vaccinated.

The vaccine doesn't stop you from getting it. Also, are hospitals still getting paid money from the government to treat covid? If that's the case, expect everything to be called covid.

 

[92TigerME]

It doesn’t 100 pct stop you from getting it, but 95 pct is what the common belief is. Are you insinuating that the vaccines might not work beyond the built in 5 pct as far as preventing you from getting it?

I have no idea except for one thing. I'm not getting that shot. Never. I know that my dad got the shot and then three weeks later tested positive. He got sick two weeks after the shot. Probabilistically, it was due to the shot.