Which Way Democrats? - Democrat Polling In Death Spiral
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The vast majority of left-of-center people I know don’t go on and on about fascism as it relates to the right. The people that do that are more extreme than mainstream and have been semi-radicalized by too much internet political crap.
As someone who continuously calls this admin and its followers fascists, I can’t really consider you mainstream left-of-center. Even if some of your policy positions fall into that bucket.
The vast majority of center-left people I know also don't go on and on about fascism in person, but they might on a message board.
If calling a spade a spade makes one far-left, what would you call people who stay silent about the fascism smacking them in the face because they benefit from some of the fascist's policies?
He’s exactly right. You can’t go on and on about white privilege and toxic masculinity and DEI and all of the other bullshit we’ve heard and expect white males to be excited for that cause.
Hmmm, I don't think so. I think the fascism schtick is symptomatic of semi-radicalized people who spend too much time reading brain-warping political crap on social media. These aren't normal, mainstream, left-of-center people.
Idk man, AOC being railroaded off of the House Oversight Chair for a dying Gerry Connolly kind of makes me think the progressive wing of the democratic party isn't as powerful as a lot on the right things. The dem leadership is still very much corporatist and not aligned with what most progressives want. It's why you see so much disarray amongst the dems right now - the old guard is refusing to cede ground to the up-and-coming group of progressives.
Sure, they do some performative bullshit - like Pelosi and her Kente kneeling, but ultimately the Dem leadership is controlled by the big money donors who aren't progressive at all.
Ok give me the name of a movement that lies about and tries to overturn a free and fair election - including violence.
- A movement that pardons violent criminals, tax fraudsters and corrupt policemen because they donated or voted for dear leader.
Or a movement that seeks to divide the country between patriots(loyalists) and vermin/enemies of the people?
Or a movement that seeks to weaken checks and balances by attacking the judiciary, universities, institutions and the press?
All the things you ignore - give me a name.
The democrat party.
All the things you listed the democrats did.
overturn an election - russiagate
pardons - 10x any other president including his family.
seeks to divide - DEI , identity politics
Seeks to weaken checks and balance - ignore the supreme court rulings on student loans. Tried to murder a supreme ct justice. Denied doctors free speech during covid.
The left HATES when you hold the mirror up.
Silly whataboutism, Trix are for kids. Biden is a GD saint compared to what Trump has done. Besides, he had nothing to do with a couple of your repetitive white grievances.
My question was for Scotch and it was about Trump but thanks for your propaganda
This would describe the exact person (7 on TI) you’re addressing.
You should realize no one takes you and your 7 handles seriously.
Answer the question - how would you describe the uber-maga posters that spend 6 hours a night posting avalanches of made up conspiracy drivel from X-chan? The ones you give all your likes to?
You should realize everyone knows you're not sane.
That seems a bit of a cop-out, no? Perception is reality to the uninformed. We should all strive to educate ourselves on these topics so that we don't fall victim to the social media ragebait.
Which made up conspiracies are your referring to specifically?
AMEN!
I hope I can be forgiven for being stupid in regards to IT. Until the last week or so, I just thought IT was just sucking on the taxpayers teet. Then IT let it slip out. Every comment made here is run through AI. IT has no intelligence of it's own, so IT uses a machine.
Dude - read the board. Not that you could discern the differences but there are 50 new additions every night.
They are all unique characteristics of MAGA, but nothing to do with fascism. The key theme here is a core belief that there is an entrenched "swamp" in the government, press, activist judges, higher ed, elections, etc. I don't disagree with them there, even though I don't agree with all of the actions. But you can see how nearly all of the actions are related to that central theme.
Zero excuse for some of the pardons. That's just good ole fashioned corruption.
Your dumb ass doesn't even realize that the whole point of using grok is because it's respected by maga because Elon created it. I could easily say it with my own words, which I have done for YEARS, but it doesn't have the same impact.
You on the other hand, only offer insults from the latest issue of the Redneck Almanac because you're dumber than a bag of toenails.
To be fair, nearly every historian of Fascism disagrees with the bolded.
So the dismantling our institutions of higher-ed, election systems and form of government is altruistic on his part?
Thanks for proving my point. No one was even talking to you. You are a troll.
Then you talk about insults and try and insult me in the same breath.
I haven't got around to reading my latest issue of Redneck Almanac but I'm sure it provides more wisdom than you could ever provide.
You really need a friend that doesn't include your hands.
I'll point out one you were wrong about and then you do the same for me.
Joe Biden was sharp as a tack.
Now what specifically is something we have been wrong about. If there are 50 new additions every night finding one should not be hard.
Until the Democratic Party ends pushing far left agendas to the forefront, the everyday American citizen/voter won’t look back. Whether the Democratic Party wants to accept it, or not.. the perception is they’re a party of extremist. So if you’re a common sense, hard working democrat, you might want to take a stand against the nonsense left agenda(s), if you want the center to ever think about returning.
Bill Clinton democrats look very good to most conservatives, at this point.
Dude, trying to debate you is like talking to a brick wall so I don't expect you to understand the difference between fantasy and reality, but there are at least 500 versions of how the election in 2020 was stolen, none of them true. They aren't hard to find.
To be honest, every special election that's taken place since Trump won in 2024 completely discredits this whole notion. Democrats are taking Republican spots in local/state/national special elections, and making tremendous headway in Trump strongholds. The 2024 election was inflation backlash, just like what happened to damn near every other incumbent party that was in power during COVID.
The same feelings could be said about the current iteration of Republicans, tbh. Reagan Republicans look very good to most democrats compared to the MAGA loons.
I’m sure you typing this makes you feel better, but the reality is, the top line Dem party is completely lost right now, creating funds to figure out why they’re so lost. You can keep it to yourself to save your pride, but hopefully you can internally admit how ridiculous this is.
Am I surprised the dipshits that run the Democratic Party are lighting money on fire giving it to consultants who don't know wtf they're doing? Not at all. The Democratic Party is a complete cluster**** of corporate money being wasted on consultants who are content on maintaining the status quo in the party. I don't think anyone can argue otherwise - it's one of the main reasons why they're polling so poorly.
However, you can't discredit the elections that have taken place post Nov 2024. Every election has shown a massive drop in R turnout, an increase in D turnout, and in some instances Dems completely winning in areas that Rs won previously. I don't think it's because of anything the Dems are doing, but more about Trump not being on the ballot which depresses MAGA turnout, as well as youth backlash.
All this being said, I'm not a Democrat so IDK where this pride assumption is coming from. I'm just looking at the evidence that's coming out and trying to figure out what may be causing it.
What is he dismantling? Going after Harvard in part because they were discriminating against applicants based on race (as determined by SCOTUS) and were full of DEI poison? Cutting funding to an elitist university with a $53 billion endowment? Getting universities to prioritize US citizens and those that are pro-America? Voter ID? Clean voting rolls? Ballot harvesting? Activist judges?
You may not like some of the stuff, but it's not fascism.
Yikes, I thought you were the rational righty. This sounds like...what were your words? Oh yeah, "symptomatic of semi-radicalized people who spend too much time reading brain-warping political crap on social media."
You don't see any similarities between the current administration's culture/actions and the following AI summary of neo-fascism?
Neo-fascism, a modern variant of fascism, shares core tenets with its historical counterpart but also exhibits distinctive features. Key elements include:
- Ultra-nationalism and ultraconservatism:
A strong sense of national identity and a desire to maintain traditional values, often viewing societal change with suspicion.
- Anti-immigration and xenophobia:
Blaming immigrants for national problems and expressing hostility towards foreign cultures.
- Right-wing populism:
Appealing to the "common person" against perceived elites and establishment figures.
- Authoritarianism:
A belief in strong, centralized leadership and a disdain for democratic processes.
- Opposition to social democracy, liberalism, and multiculturalism:
Rejecting social welfare programs, individual rights, and the integration of diverse cultures.
- Focus on racial or ethnic purity:
Promoting the idea of a superior race or ethnic group and expressing hostility towards other groups.
- Political parties and movements: Organized groups that promote neo-fascist ideology and engage in political activity.
- Online communities: Platforms where neo-fascist ideas are disseminated and shared.
- Media and rhetoric: Using specific language and imagery to promote their ideology and scapegoat certain groups.
Not really. Let's break it down.
Neo-fascism, a modern variant of fascism, shares core tenets with its historical counterpart but also exhibits distinctive features. Key elements include:
- Ultra-nationalism and ultraconservatism:
A strong sense of national identity and a desire to maintain traditional values, often viewing societal change with suspicion. - I don't know what is "ultra" about this position. National identity and traditional values are good. Are you saying they are not?
- Anti-immigration and xenophobia:
Blaming immigrants for national problems and expressing hostility towards foreign cultures. - There are two categories of immigrants that the current movement doesn't like - illegals and those that don't like America. Otherwise, everyone seems to like other immigrants. There's a huge difference in isolating the first two. Look, Trump loves Hispanics:
- Right-wing populism:
Appealing to the "common person" against perceived elites and establishment figures. - Ah yes. "Tax the rich!" comes to mind as a recent rallying cry on the left. Screw those elites and take their money. This angle has been part of the democrat spin machine for decades.
- Authoritarianism:
A belief in strong, centralized leadership and a disdain for democratic processes. - Turning education over to the states seems a departure from this. Free and fair elections anyone?
- Opposition to social democracy, liberalism, and multiculturalism:
Rejecting social welfare programs, individual rights, and the integration of diverse cultures. - Trump has clearly articulated the desire to preserve and strengthen SS and Medicare. The Medicaid cuts are focused on fraud, waste, abuse and those who should not receive them (ex. illegals and able-bodied working age adults). Remember Bill Clinton's "Work for Welfare" plan? That would be neo-fascism today apparently.
- Focus on racial or ethnic purity:
Promoting the idea of a superior race or ethnic group and expressing hostility towards other groups. - Nope. Only hostility is to illegals and those that don't like America. In fact, African Americans, Hispanics and Asains all shifted right in the last election. Hispanics by a lot.
