Who wins tomorrow? - Poll
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Don't you mean POOR BOY? That's what sleepy Joe told me during the debate.
For the record, since I purposely avoid most discussion on this topic here, I consider myself a political moderate; typically more conservative on fiscal/economic issues and more liberal with social issues.
Given my interest in the law, I am curious for those voting primarily or exclusively Democrat: do you support expanding the Supreme Court if the votes are there to do so?
If attempted, I feel this would stand as the most politically charged fiasco in recent US history and would be a gravely erroneous action.
I understand the disagreement with Barrett's nomination being pushed through but that response is not nearly warranted by it, IMO. Frankly the only improperly handled nomination to the Court in the last 10 years was Merrick Garland - that was patently wrong. Altering the number of seats on the Court should still not be a political issue as I see it.
Given my interest in the law, I am curious for those voting primarily or exclusively Democrat: do you support expanding the Supreme Court if the votes are there to do so?
If attempted, I feel this would stand as the most politically charged fiasco in recent US history and would be a gravely erroneous action.
I understand the disagreement with Barrett's nomination being pushed through but that response is not nearly warranted by it, IMO. Frankly the only improperly handled nomination to the Court in the last 10 years was Merrick Garland - that was patently wrong. Altering the number of seats on the Court should still not be a political issue as I see it.
Without getting into who I voted for and why, I do think Biden wins. The second wave of Covid could not be hitting at a worse time for Trump, and I just think in general people in the middle are getting Trump fatigue.
I know the 3 am tweet storms fire up his base, but over time I think they wear down and turn off the more marginally conservative voters.
I know the 3 am tweet storms fire up his base, but over time I think they wear down and turn off the more marginally conservative voters.
Trump. The swamp (crooked people in the FBI, CIA, deep state) is deeper and filthier than I could have ever imagined. Once he cleans house of the career politicians then I will go back to listening to the other side. Until then, the crooks can not be allowed to be in power. Forever thankful that Trump has exposed the media for what it is.
Maybe the best point that the President made during the debates was that there is, for all practical purposes, no such thing as a political moderate. You have two choices and that’s it. If you vote for Biden then you are voting for the entirety of the Democratic platform and if you vote for him then you’re voting for the entirety of the Republican platform. So at the end of the day, even if you’re a “moderate” you can only fall in one of two camps.
The second best point the President made was that “elections have consequences” and that his Presidency doesn’t end on 11/3/20. Personally I felt that the President was right to nominate a justice - he won the election in 2016 and his Presidency and the authority it gives him doesn’t end just because an election is close. Imagine if there was a terrorist attack and we said “wait, the President shouldn’t respond to that until after the election.” It doesn’t make sense.
I would not support packing the Supreme Court and I don’t think many Americans would. The last time (to my knowledge) it was tried was when FDR was President and even then it was wildly unpopular.
I voted Trump, but I listen to conservative radio all day long, Glenn Beck (0900-1200), Rush Limbaugh (1200-300 pm), Sean Hannity (300-600), and Mark Levin (600-900), and the show following Mark Levin from 900-1200 midnight. Yea, it's either this or CBS24/7 which is incredibly biased. I had no Fox News until last Thursday. But all this being said, it seems that many (all of these conservatives with the exception of Rush Limbaugh) are sound a little gloom and doom. Even Fox News Sunday, and Fox News this morning are sound very concerned.
Listening to Rush is refreshing, but I'm starting to see many others thing Biden is going to win. It seems by most all polls Trump trails in swing states Florida, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Arizona, and Michigan, with Georgia, North Carolina, Ohio, and Texas dead even to close. On Fox news Sunday the leading conservatives were predicting at the very least to lose 3 or 4 republican senators (one of those losing is Lindsay Graham), and some believe the senate is going to flip to democrats.
You people need to look at that video on the Blaze (Glenn Beck site) where the ANTIFA militia attack a Trump rally and tried to grab the guys American flag. A fight ensued, and he was jumped by several ANTIFA militia and beaten by fists and sticks. These ANTIFA were dressed like militia in black with military clothing on, body armor, and helmets, and wearing military style balaclavas covering their faces. Looked like Soviet Union or Fascist Gestapo Germany kind of stuff.
Glenn Beck said their is info (intell) that they are seeing where those ANTIFA militias are planning to hit the streets tomorrow.
Listening to Rush is refreshing, but I'm starting to see many others thing Biden is going to win. It seems by most all polls Trump trails in swing states Florida, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Arizona, and Michigan, with Georgia, North Carolina, Ohio, and Texas dead even to close. On Fox news Sunday the leading conservatives were predicting at the very least to lose 3 or 4 republican senators (one of those losing is Lindsay Graham), and some believe the senate is going to flip to democrats.
You people need to look at that video on the Blaze (Glenn Beck site) where the ANTIFA militia attack a Trump rally and tried to grab the guys American flag. A fight ensued, and he was jumped by several ANTIFA militia and beaten by fists and sticks. These ANTIFA were dressed like militia in black with military clothing on, body armor, and helmets, and wearing military style balaclavas covering their faces. Looked like Soviet Union or Fascist Gestapo Germany kind of stuff.
Glenn Beck said their is info (intell) that they are seeing where those ANTIFA militias are planning to hit the streets tomorrow.
The far left and right are jokes. Only the loonies live out on the edges. But they are really two sides of the same coin. It reminds me of the U.S. and Russia, in that these two super powers are worlds apart in so many ways, but are actually so close that someone could swim between the two nations.
As we know, most of us reside somewhere in the middle. But the problem with having only two options is everyone must fit into one bucket or the other. So you are forced to accept the crazy extremes that align themselves with your side.
If there was a third option, say for a middle-of-the-road school of thought, it would do great. But the one thing that unites our two parties currently is the desire to hold fast to their power, and never cede any of it to others.
So until that changes, you can keep saying "I could never support that side because it's the party of _____________". But they are both filled with questionable people and mindsets.
I'm in favor of chucking both and starting over. Dabo for President!
Great post. And the point about being a moderate is correct; doubtless why voting for Federal level offices doesn't leave me feeling "good" about doing my civic duty - to do it I have to turn my back on issues that are important but not primarily important. That being the case I follow my wallet's best interest as best I can.
One of the real issues is that the moderates aren't very invested in politics or the news cycle. That leaves the echo chamber open to the craziest on both sides. What we really.need is a candidate who is very likeable,but isn't an asshole,who wants common sense. I have no idea who that actually is,but we badly need someone with some positivity. I think most of us are just exhausted by all of this.
Also a moderate here. I find changing the balance of the supreme court to be concerning. I don't think extreme measures should ever be taken. This includes not allowing Obama to appoint Garland, pushing through Barrett for what seems to be last ditch political shift, and adding justices.
Precedent is a dangerous thing...
we need term limits. That diminishes the power of the DNC and the RNC to force people to vote with the party instead of their conscious out of fear of losing campaign funds.
also, whoever is president is not allowed to use social media.
all that said, Biden wins.
Were you just describing Obama?
I'd be willing to argue that if we just turned off the 24hour news and ignored the constant peddling of fear by both sides we'd all be better off. We must start focusing on what unites us instead of what divides us.
Interesting choice of words since, ironically, when it comes to the law, precedent should provide stability. Not saying departure from it is never appropriate but it should be reliable in a broad sense so that we all know where we stand. *standard disclaimer since this is a political thread: I'm not disagreeing with you at all, simply continuing the thought*
I'm not a democrat, but know many who are. Curious why you think Christianity would keep you from voting that way?
I should have been more clear.....setting new precedent is dangerous, especially when it concerns resetting the limits one is willing to go.
Second wave of Covid? Lol. If you didn’t see that coming and being reported just days before the election, then you haven‘t been paying attention. The Left will do and say anything ( and censor anything) to steal this election.
I'm not sure I could agree less with that post. The Trump presidency left many of the traditional republican values out in the cold. He took the party in a whole different direction, which is far from what the Reagan republicans wanted to see.
By this logic would it not mean that there would be no difference between a Biden and Sanders presidency? I just don't buy it.
I would assume murdering babies would be up there.
This is my #1 concern about Trump.
No POTUS should EVER say, "I can do whatever I want as President." Because it's not true.
All of these Trump fans better be willing to give President AOC carte blanche if/when that time arrives (God forbid). Because they have embraced and supported the tearing down of checks and balances.
And herein lies the problem...... the actual thing that needs fixing is the people that control these TWO MEGACORPORATIONS called political parties have no interest to do so. They have ZERO incentive to address it because it limits themselves.
I about threw up when I heard $14BILLION has been spent on campaign advertising a few days ago. Regardless of your political dealings, you have billions upon billions going to elected officials to try and bypass the election process. That’s fraud in itself. The amount of trash EXPENSIVE political mailings I’ve received in the past 3 weeks is disgusting.
Im not a huge fan personally but Carly and I are Americans 100%. Just this statement alone and I have profound respect for her as a LEADER.
CARLY FIORINA: Well, you know, the conversations honestly are kind of all over the map. And every single one of the alternatives that you just laid out is being discussed by various people in the party. I also think, however, that that conversation hasn't really happened to the extent it needs to. Because in the Trump Republican Party, it's all about loyalty to Trump. That is the definition of a loyal Republican now is loyalty to Trump.
And in fact, one of the things that I have said publicly and said to many of my colleagues is we are not asked as citizens of this country to pledge allegiance to a party. And we're certainly not asked to pledge allegiance to a president, any president. We're asked instead as citizens to pledge allegiance to a flag one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all and to pledge loyalty to a Constitution.
And so I say all that to say this. One of the things that I think we would be well advised to get rid of a little bit is this feeling that we either have to be always loyal to one team or another. George Washington many, many years ago, 1789 to be exact, said the trouble with political parties is they will come to care only about winning. And I think we've seen that. And so I just start from the point of view that becoming a loyal party member is not necessarily our highest order objective as citizens or as business people in this country.
full interview. And actual honest dialogue for once.
Carly Fiorina on the Republican Party, the business community and why she's supporting Biden
Former Hewlett-Packard CEO and presidential candidate Carly Fiorina joins Yahoo Finance's All Markets Summit to discuss the Republican Party and why she is supporting Joe Biden.
Some truth here too particularly in regard to Trump's direction. As with most things (everything?) there are (many) more angles than one from which to view. I read @dbjork6317's post to say that the current political landscape forces people "in the middle" to one side or the other whether they like it or not and thus eliminates the middle ground in a de facto sense.
I’m no saint by any means and am no bible thumper, but I do believe that if you are a Christian you can’t support a party who supports gay marriage, abortions/planned parenthood, or who want to remove god from schools. Basically it’s the separation of Church and State. That’s just my opinion.
Israel is went into another lockdown b/c of a second wave. Netanyahu must really hate Trump. He will do anything to help the dems win the election.
First off, I respect your opinion as it’s transparent. How refreshing for once!!!
I’m not being argumentative. To be clear I’m 1000% Independent, I wish Biden and Trump would disappear. Neither will bring this country together. But Joe Biden is a pretty outspoken Catholic and by definition is Christian, how does that work?
I’m not a fan of a lot of Democrats but some are solid Christians.
Yes, and all of the same people who made excuses for Trump doing these things will be the first ones outraged when a dem does the same. And yes it goes both ways.
The best example right now is packing the court. Most conservatives on here are outraged that the dems would even discuss packing the court. But I bet they had no problem with it back 2016 when repubs openly discussed shrinking the court if Hilary won.
And herein lies the problem...... the actual thing that needs fixing is the people that control these TWO MEGACORPORATIONS called political parties have no interest to do so. They have ZERO incentive to address it because it limits themselves.
I about threw up when I heard $14BILLION has been spent on campaign advertising a few days ago. Regardless of your political dealings, you have billions upon billions going to elected officials to try and bypass the election process. That’s fraud in itself. The amount of trash EXPENSIVE political mailings I’ve received in the past 3 weeks is disgusting.
Im not a huge fan personally but Carly and I are Americans 100%. Just this statement alone and I have profound respect for her as a LEADER.
CARLY FIORINA: Well, you know, the conversations honestly are kind of all over the map. And every single one of the alternatives that you just laid out is being discussed by various people in the party. I also think, however, that that conversation hasn't really happened to the extent it needs to. Because in the Trump Republican Party, it's all about loyalty to Trump. That is the definition of a loyal Republican now is loyalty to Trump.
And in fact, one of the things that I have said publicly and said to many of my colleagues is we are not asked as citizens of this country to pledge allegiance to a party. And we're certainly not asked to pledge allegiance to a president, any president. We're asked instead as citizens to pledge allegiance to a flag one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all and to pledge loyalty to a Constitution.
And so I say all that to say this. One of the things that I think we would be well advised to get rid of a little bit is this feeling that we either have to be always loyal to one team or another. George Washington many, many years ago, 1789 to be exact, said the trouble with political parties is they will come to care only about winning. And I think we've seen that. And so I just start from the point of view that becoming a loyal party member is not necessarily our highest order objective as citizens or as business people in this country.
full interview. And actual honest dialogue for once.
Carly Fiorina on the Republican Party, the business community and why she's supporting Biden
Former Hewlett-Packard CEO and presidential candidate Carly Fiorina joins Yahoo Finance's All Markets Summit to discuss the Republican Party and why she is supporting Joe Biden.finance.yahoo.com
That's strange as she aligns with Trump on just about every political topic, which is typically how people vote.......and that's how she ran for office, under similar stances. I liked her as a senate candidate but she wasn't a great CEO at HP.
I disagree on the loyalty to Trump thing or at least in my own opinion I disagree. I could very well be underestimating the middle or rural parts of the country but the subsets of Trump supporters that I know personally are more against what they see on the left, explicitly the current ticket and the constant threat of radical left coming in behind Biden......like AOC or Ilhan Omar for example. Make no mistake, many don't love the person Trump portrays but they don't disagree with the changes he's trying to make in Washington. Many in that group admitted they would have voted for Bloomberg and that includes me also.
Totally agree with you on $14b ........it's sickening to think where that money could have been spent instead.
And herein lies the problem...... the actual thing that needs fixing is the people that control these TWO MEGACORPORATIONS called political parties have no interest to do so. They have ZERO incentive to address it because it limits themselves.
I about threw up when I heard $14BILLION has been spent on campaign advertising a few days ago. Regardless of your political dealings, you have billions upon billions going to elected officials to try and bypass the election process. That’s fraud in itself. The amount of trash EXPENSIVE political mailings I’ve received in the past 3 weeks is disgusting.
Im not a huge fan personally but Carly and I are Americans 100%. Just this statement alone and I have profound respect for her as a LEADER.
CARLY FIORINA: Well, you know, the conversations honestly are kind of all over the map. And every single one of the alternatives that you just laid out is being discussed by various people in the party. I also think, however, that that conversation hasn't really happened to the extent it needs to. Because in the Trump Republican Party, it's all about loyalty to Trump. That is the definition of a loyal Republican now is loyalty to Trump.
And in fact, one of the things that I have said publicly and said to many of my colleagues is we are not asked as citizens of this country to pledge allegiance to a party. And we're certainly not asked to pledge allegiance to a president, any president. We're asked instead as citizens to pledge allegiance to a flag one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all and to pledge loyalty to a Constitution.
And so I say all that to say this. One of the things that I think we would be well advised to get rid of a little bit is this feeling that we either have to be always loyal to one team or another. George Washington many, many years ago, 1789 to be exact, said the trouble with political parties is they will come to care only about winning. And I think we've seen that. And so I just start from the point of view that becoming a loyal party member is not necessarily our highest order objective as citizens or as business people in this country.
full interview. And actual honest dialogue for once.
Carly Fiorina on the Republican Party, the business community and why she's supporting Biden
Former Hewlett-Packard CEO and presidential candidate Carly Fiorina joins Yahoo Finance's All Markets Summit to discuss the Republican Party and why she is supporting Joe Biden.
$14B spent and most of those ads are utter bullshit. Straight up lies. When I feel like most people already had their minds made up. And dont forget Bloomberg, he spent a billion to come in 8th place. He could have just given that to a fund to feed the homeless.
I am a registered independent so I get 60+ emails a day asking for money from both parties. The emails even contradict each other in the same day. One will say "candidate X is losing and we need your help." The two hours later "candidate x is killing it! Send money so we can maintain our lead!"
This! Power of the executive order is out of control. We need to go back to where both sides were forced to work together to get something done. Not with the stroke of a pen (or sharpie)
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This is one of those divisive topics they play way heavily in politics and shouldn't. No party wants more abortions. In plain fact, both want less. Democrats just believe that they should be available if needed because of the harsh truth of what happens when they aren't. This does not answer how being a Christian keeps you from voting democrat. This is only an example of how both sides manipulate core human emotions to lure your blind support.
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Disagee. The abortion issue is definitely something that many Christians on the right ask how can you be a Christian and support a party who some are in favor of aborting full term babies. I’m not talking about the mother‘s life being in danger... that would be an exception. I have heard liberal women bragging about having multiple abortions. Bragging! And it’s disgusting. Be responsible.
Abortion rates drop more quickly under democratic administrations than republican. Ya know, because Democrats are actually interested in doing things that reduce abortions (providing contraception, actual sex education, etc etc). This is what I un-ironically don't understand about [some] of the pro-life movement; why are they so opposed to supporting birth control and sex education?
And as someone who after having a child is more pro-choice than they once were - I can't imagine there are very many people at all for whom a late term abortion isn't a tragedy. Forcing those individuals to jump through administrative hoops when they're about to lose what they consider to be their child is just cruel.
Trump is going to lose, badly. But the real winners tomorrow will be America and decency. It's time for the Trump worshipping rats to crawl back into the sewer where they belong.
Decency? You’re one of the most indecent, name calling, and disrespectful posters on this board. Such hypocrisy.
Have fun tomorrow night, sewer rat. You gonna be able to watch or do you have a bunch of brain surgeries to perform?
You're never going to relieve your personal issue acting this way, especially to a lady.
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