WOW! California is going to tax you for 10 yr if you move out of CA

[FLOtiger93]

im against taxing all together

i would just see like people understand that the working poor needs their wages adjusted for inflation from say 1965 to current date

how hard is that

many people making 6 digits and up will lose their inflated salaries

but we stop a revolution

why is that a hard decision to make

if we do not make the low end of the scale more lucrative like people treated wall street jobs

their will be a revolution

and they will win because they outnumber 10 to 1

Brother, you’re taking about wealth redistribution. It can either be done through taxes or literally, a revolution. Pure capitalism would suck terribly for the lower end of the wage earners. Socialism is garbage but some government intervention is 100% necessary and has been for a while.

I agree with low end wage earners having higher wages..I can’t believe you’re arguing for that AND arguing against higher taxes. But, I’m sure you hate the high government budget deficit?

 

[nmerritt11]

I couldn’t get through this whole thread but anyone who thinks minimum wage was designed to support a living wage I don’t have anything to add

 

[MillerHighLife21]

If they do this I will simply close my business and retire. I can’t give my employees a 10,000 a year raise and still stay in business. Millions of jobs in the US will just go poof !

Exactly. People go after the “living wage” as if the reason it’s no longer livable is the fault of the business owners. The reason it’s not longer livable is inflation.

 

[FLOtiger93]

Exactly. People go after the “living wage” as if the reason it’s no longer livable is the fault of the business owners. The reason it’s not longer livable is inflation.

Should minimum wage be adjusted (increased) for inflation over time?

 

[FLOtiger93]

I couldn’t get through this whole thread but anyone who thinks minimum wage was designed to support a living wage I don’t have anything to add

I’ve honestly never thought about this. I think in SC (or other places with a relatively low minimum wage), people don’t expect min wage to be a living wage. You see a lot more blue collar workers making above $7.25 (I’d say $10+ for a good worker at least).

But where the minimum wage is higher (like CA), I believe minimum wage is seen as more of a living wage. You’d have to adjust for cost of living but $12/hr isn’t bad for some jobs. You could never purchase property but that’s a good bit anywhere.

 

[DeathValley_13]

It's time the West Coast falls into the ocean, or we let Cali, Oregon, and Washington secede from the nation. Only kicker, none of them are allowed back to the US, and their citizen is stripped. Applies for the next 150 generations of offspring.

 

[Emergence]

California hiring up former Stasi to help build a Berlin Wall 2.0
1/3 of East Germany’s citizens were employed by the police state, and even that wasn’t sufficient tyranny to keep the reality of socialism From imploding in envy and corruption.
Progressivism is evil and unworkable all the way down to the collapse it spawns. Beautiful Cali is in for a hard fall.

 

[FLOtiger93]

It's time the West Coast falls into the ocean, or we let Cali, Oregon, and Washington secede from the nation. Only kicker, none of them are allowed back to the US, and their citizen is stripped. Applies for the next 150 generations of offspring.

Damn, I guess we’re back on the market for a QB next year. Best hit the transfer market.

 

[PalmettoTiger1]

then

who is going to have that smiling face when you pull up to the drive thru window whether at a restaurant or a bank?

who is going to be behind the counter at the convenience store when you go get gas and you need something inside?

who is going to be stocking the shelves at your grocery store or at your favorite strip mall store?

who is going to cut your hair?

the working poor is a large group of people barely getting by, the ones who gave up or made mistakes are homeless or in prison

its not that easy as extermination

What I said is actually tongue in cheek

of course you cannot get blood from a rock

the problem is that some people think you make the unfortunate better off by

taking wealth from the fortunate does not fix the unfortunate

we must help the less fortunate develop personal tools to make their life better

am I making sense

 

[MillerHighLife21]

Should minimum wage be adjusted (increased) for inflation over time?

No. It should be tied directly to the causes of inflation. Otherwise, the perpetrators just pass on the costs to business owners.

That’s actually why I fully support a survival level basic income. All other benefit programs (welfare, unemployment, social security, etc) should have their total payout per person reduced by the amount of the basic income.

This would reduce those programs enough that they could actually be reformed. But a survival level basic income would allow you to eliminate the minimum wage entirely because it’s money you always have regardless of if you have a job. This supplements people’s income without passing the cost to small business owners.

Survival level is critical though. It can’t be enough that it’s desirable to live on it alone, just needs to be enough to help. Something in the range of $700 / month I think.

 

[Jfcarter3]

I was thinking the same thing. Unenforceable.

My gut says through the Full Faith and Credit Clause of the Constitution. There is no debtor’s jail in this country so Cali’s state Dept of Revenue, or whatever it is called, would get some sort of judgement or lien that Cali would then domesticate in whatever state you moved to and your new state of domicile would treat that judgement or lien as though it had been procured where you now live allowing enforcement against you in your new home state (granted, under that new state’s laws regarding liens and judgements). That’s my guess anyway.

 

[FLOtiger93]

California hiring up former Stasi to help build a Berlin Wall 2.0
1/3 of East Germany’s citizens were employed by the police state, and even that wasn’t sufficient tyranny to keep the reality of socialism From imploding in envy and corruption.
Progressivism is evil and unworkable all the way down to the collapse it spawns. Beautiful Cali is in for a hard fall.

California definitely needs a nudge (or push) back a little to the right.

There are a lot of other places that would benefit from a little move to the left.

Too much progressivism (or extreme progressivism/liberalism) is bad..that’s communism. Too much extreme conservativism is bad too..that’s fascism. Hopefully the two sides keep fighting it out and we (America) stay just right.

 

[nmerritt11]

I’ve honestly never thought about this. I think in SC (or other places with a relatively low minimum wage), people don’t expect min wage to be a living wage. You see a lot more blue collar workers making above $7.25 (I’d say $10+ for a good worker at least).

But where the minimum wage is higher (like CA), I believe minimum wage is seen as more of a living wage. You’d have to adjust for cost of living but $12/hr isn’t bad for some jobs. You could never purchase property but that’s a good bit anywhere.

my son made more than minimum wage his first job. I got my neighbors son who is 16 making 12 an hour for full time construction work this summer. People who show up and work will be compensated appropriately

 

[murdaugh]

i think we should control the bottom side of the curve better than taxing the top end

raising the working poor income is key

we have had a series of wage deflation issues

latest has been the laissez fair attitude of not controlling the working poor labor market for them.

just ask the wealthy to respect the value of labor more

raise the minimum wage

and i would start by giving every hourly associate a raise enough to equate $10k a year.

the wealthy would rather pay their workers a living wage if they knew the consequence was the end of capitalism.

simple really.

having 2-5 homes and having employees living in their cars in not very any religion like

called selfishness

and i know jesus frowned upon such attitude

Any economist, with exception of Keynes, worth their weight would tell you that a minimum wage is catastrophic to the economy. It causes rapid inflation that diminishes the benefits of a raise in pay. It prices the poor/unskilled worker out of a job and it makes it extremely difficult for younger workers to get any work experience. I'm sorry but those are the facts. As much as it might "feel good" for the government to snap their fingers and make everything ok with a minimum wage, it's ultimately bad and it hits those its supposed to help the hardest.

 

[FLOtiger93]

No. It should be tied directly to the causes of inflation. Otherwise, the perpetrators just pass on the costs to business owners.

That’s actually why I fully support a survival level basic income. All other benefit programs (welfare, unemployment, social security, etc) should have their total payout per person reduced by the amount of the basic income.

This would reduce those programs enough that they could actually be reformed. But a survival level basic income would allow you to eliminate the minimum wage entirely because it’s money you always have regardless of if you have a job. This supplements people’s income without passing the cost to small business owners.

Survival level is critical though. It can’t be enough that it’s desirable to live on it alone, just needs to be enough to help. Something in the range of $700 / month I think.

That’s interesting and potentially a better long term solution. We would still have to trust the government to do some things and be efficient at it for this to work all the way lol.

I think the way tax credits are done should be reformed a bit. I think some people “deserve” more back in taxes (because of their deductions, etc.) but don’t get it because they haven’t paid enough into taxes that last year. A lot of the tax loopholes are built for the rich and not the (relatively) poor - a big part of this is financial literacy. But not all.

 

[Tigerman79]

First off, virtually nobody actually works for minimum wage anymore. Capitalism has moved the real minimum wage higher. I don’t agree that government intervention is the only way for increasing prosperity at the lower end of the wage scale. Prior to Covid hourly workers were seeing wage increases not seen in decades. Why is that? Tax cuts and reduction of government regulations helped fuel a robust economy. Then immigration of cheap labor was curbed. Capitalism via supply and demand pushed hourly wages up substantially. Don’t want to pay $12 plus an hour? The employee simply walked across the street to a business that would. This is the path to prosperity for everyone. Cut taxes and encourage growth while limiting importation of cheap labor. Free market capitalism is the answer. All the government will do is muck it up.

 

[PalmettoTiger1]

I sure hope I’m reading this the wrong way because it sounds disgustingly racist.

I sure hope I’m reading this the wrong way because it sounds disgustingly racist.

I’m not arguing for reparations.

But did you just say all black people are financially ignorant? Because that’s the way it reads.

Please feel free to call me racist based on your own view of the world

My words sound the way you want them to sound

I respect and appreciate the words of DR MLK who says don’t judge a person by the color of their skin by the content of their character

Based on your leap that I sound racist I would bet the farm that you approve of situations like Yale University discriminating against the Oriental and White students to give an unfair advantage to Blacks based on admissions standards

To follow that up read up on the history of these Ivy League bastions of morality to enlighten yourself as how their wealth was procured

So don’t think for yourself but follow the mob

Progressive Marxist Democratic Party that hates America and the Beautiful Declaration of Independence and Constitution written by old fat bald men that protects the rights of all people of this country when applied equally and fairly

 

[FLOtiger93]

my son made more than minimum wage his first job. I got my neighbors son who is 16 making 12 an hour for full time construction work this summer. People who show up and work will be compensated appropriately

I got paid from $10 to $15 an hour working in a warehouse while going to school in SC. I understand. I could pay for rent and everything else just fine.

CA is undoubtedly expensive as hell (reasons can be argued forever) but I’d guess their better workers get paid well above the CA minimum wage too. Not sure if you could live more comfortably on a CA minimum wage in CA or an SC minimum wage in SC.

 

[nmerritt11]

I got paid from $10 to $15 an hour working in a warehouse while going to school in SC. I understand. I could pay for rent and everything else just fine.

CA is undoubtedly expensive as hell (reasons can be argued forever) but I’d guess their better workers get paid well above the CA minimum wage too. Not sure if you could live more comfortably on a CA minimum wage in CA or an SC minimum wage in SC.

it depends on what live comfortably means. I mean people think cable, smart phones, etc etc are necessities.

 

[treetiger]

First, they are assuming that your wealth was made in (from) California, second, while their liberal courts in California won't strike that down, I imagine the slightly liberal Supreme Court would.

Again, if millions of real Americans could line up along the San Andreas Fault with large crow (pry) bars, maybe they could pry that God forsaken place lose, and let it drift away? Or trade it with the Dutch for Greenland?

 

[FLOtiger93]

First off, virtually nobody actually works for minimum wage anymore. Capitalism has moved the real minimum wage higher. I don’t agree that government intervention is the only way for increasing prosperity at the lower end of the wage scale. Prior to Covid hourly workers were seeing wage increases not seen in decades. Why is that? Tax cuts and reduction of government regulations helped fuel a robust economy. Then immigration of cheap labor was curbed. Capitalism via supply and demand pushed hourly wages up substantially. Don’t want to pay $12 plus an hour? The employee simply walked across the street to a business that would. This is the path to prosperity for everyone. Cut taxes and encourage growth while limiting importation of cheap labor. Free market capitalism is the answer. All the government will do is muck it up.

Your perspective is from a system that already has a whole lot of government intervention though. America is far from purely capitalist. It’s been that way for almost 100 years (and arguably forever).

If capitalism had run its course unhindered for the last 100 years, I’d guess 1-3 monopolies would literally own the entire country. All business, land, etc. everything. It would be just the same as the government controlling everything. Terrible.

 

[FLOtiger93]

it depends on what live comfortably means. I mean people think cable, smart phones, etc etc are necessities.

The internet definitely is becoming a necessity or already is. So are computers (smart phones, laptops).

Cable, not so much.

 

[PalmettoTiger1]

I’m not arguing for reparations.

But did you just say all black people are financially ignorant? Because that’s the way it reads.

To make the post clear
Financial ignorant has no race creed or religion

it depends on the individual

the poor are poor for a reason and the two big reasons are lack of education which translates into no job skills

them having a child and becoming a single mom which traps the women in poverty

help those two issues and we help poverty immensely

but Democrats in particular and many Republicans want this problem to live forever so they can control these people when they vote promising them help

 

[areeves]

cant make this up

so the politicians in CA are proposing a wealth tax

right no big deal

the VP candidate wants a wealth tax bad

so cavuto ask

'what stops them from leaving"

politician says does not matter

they have included in the bill

IF YOU MOVE OUT OF STATE YOU WILL BE TAXED FOR 10 YEARS NO MATTER WHERE YOU MOVED TO

crazy huh

View embedded media

Unbelievable!!!!

 

[coop#]

I am All In on a Poor Tax

tax the hell out of poor people so we get rid of them

hope them all move to New York Chicago
Portland Seattle San Francisco

that is my plan

Why so angry?

 

[Jimmy Green Beans]

We should have a wealth tax in this country.

Wrong! The only federal tax we should have is a national sales tax.

 

[appalachiatiger]

I wish

that you would

type your posts

in a normal

format.

Instead of

posting three or

four words

at a time

for some weird

emphasis

you are trying

to compare

apples

to oranges

 

[appalachiatiger]

A man or woman should be paid what he/she is worth to a company, and not what the government thinks he/she is worth.....no incentive to work if being paid the same as a lazy employee.

exactly

its not the govt repsonsibility

if you hire someone to work a full time job

you look at what it cost for human to make a living

then you look at the work performed

and you pay that human a living wage

if you dont

thats when the govt steps in to make up the difference

thats been going on for a couple generations now

and its destroying our system

 

[appalachiatiger]

Brother, you’re taking about wealth redistribution. It can either be done through taxes or literally, a revolution. Pure capitalism would suck terribly for the lower end of the wage earners. Socialism is garbage but some government intervention is 100% necessary and has been for a while.

I agree with low end wage earners having higher wages..I can’t believe you’re arguing for that AND arguing against higher taxes. But, I’m sure you hate the high government budget deficit?

i hate govt debt.

but people make money off of debt

a human and a family is usually on the other side of that debt

just be mindful of that

i just believe that under a system that allows a human the most possible freedom imaginable

that that human has a personal responsibility to behave in manner respectable of citizenship

once a human loses the ability to think that they can not only survive but thrive

mental slavery ensues

hence the democratic policies since the 60s

the outcomes are starting to show

 

[appalachiatiger]

I’ve honestly never thought about this. I think in SC (or other places with a relatively low minimum wage), people don’t expect min wage to be a living wage. You see a lot more blue collar workers making above $7.25 (I’d say $10+ for a good worker at least).

But where the minimum wage is higher (like CA), I believe minimum wage is seen as more of a living wage. You’d have to adjust for cost of living but $12/hr isn’t bad for some jobs. You could never purchase property but that’s a good bit anywhere.

never a national wage

state by state for sure

a govt created problem

but needs a small business solution

 

[coop#]

Wrong! The only federal tax we should have is a national sales tax.

I'm sure you honkeys would love that. Very regressive.

 

[Casa_del_Tigre]

Why not just tax wealth a little more and income a little less? Would you pay more or less in taxes if we did this?

I have all sorts of ideas when it comes to how tax should be structured. I’m asking what’s the point of taxes when deficits don’t matter?

But my opinion is that taxes should be structured to incentivize the private sector to cover most of the social cost. Things like employer health coverage and maternity leave perks and shit. Lower tax bills based on median income levels, total perks of job.

every bit of the tax structure is to punish.

 

[Mr Peter North]

It's time the West Coast falls into the ocean, or we let Cali, Oregon, and Washington secede from the nation. Only kicker, none of them are allowed back to the US, and their citizen is stripped. Applies for the next 150 generations of offspring.

I wouldn’t underestimate their ability to collect it. SC doesn’t allow garnishment for private debt but I don’t know about out of state taxes. If I had a lot of California earned wealth I’d start protecting it now.

CA franchise tax board is as aggressive as they come ... try declaring residency in another state while owning property in CA and you will understand very quickly they do not mess around.

 

[PainClinic]

no idea

he seems pretty confident

he states that if you make all that wealth in california

california is going to get there share whether you like it or not

California is too broke to enforce it.

 

[appalachiatiger]

I'm sure you honkeys would love that. Very regressive.

honkey

what the hell is that?

and do explain the mathematics being a national sales tax being very regressive?

a national sales tax allows you to have choice on how much you pay in taxes based on how much you consume.

consume more pay more

consume less pay less

called choice

ie

freedom

 

[tigerrecon]

Looks like Amazon don't want to pay more taxes:

USA TODAY: Amazon considering relocating its Seattle employees

https://www.usatoday.com/story/mone...ts-seattle-employees-outside-city/5585722002/

 

[Extender]

exactly

so how do you fix this problem?

you have employees who work full time and cant make ends meet.

do we fix the wage scale

do we tax you more and see if the govt can cover the rest

do we just say fukk em?

the most prominent response i hear is get a second job

so work 80 hours a week which totally destroys that humans life

and if they have a family and if those kids end up looting macys in chicago

or pounding on drums throwing fireworks at federal agents in front of a courthouse

so be it

this system is collapsing

small business owners will have to be the ones to fix this

dont think politicians have any idea how

and there will be pain no matter the path chosen

A good start would be limiting the amount of undocumented labor which enters our country through the southern border.
Excess supply of labor means decreased cost of labor.

 

[1Clemson]

i dont understand second and third homes

we have kids starving

jesus would feed the kids before buying a second home

its just we gotta change peoples mentality of what living a good life in a system surrounded by other people who lives suck

thats the reality

those people who lives suck are not just going to watch like 20-30 % of the population live a life of luxury while they cant even feed their kids.

just not gonna happen

they will win

watch its happening

Jesus may approve of a second home for his mother- I seem to remember something about honoring your father and mother.... if I could only remember where. Providing a home for an aging widowed parent would seem to be a good reason for a second home.

Sometimes the first thing that pops into your head isn't always the best thing to say.

 

[jeffcoat]

no idea

he seems pretty confident

he states that if you make all that wealth in california

california is going to get there share whether you like it or not

I suppose they can put a lein on your bank account and property just like the IRS would, but it would have to beat several lawsuits when they try.

 

[Tiger1031]

you could quit sending the 6.7% and 3.5% that you collect for the employees and just add it into their pay???

You mean that I collect from their checks AND MATCH ?