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[tigergrad03]

No, you're thinking of your feelings of Obama.

But if Trump and Trump ALONE comes out and says "this is the vaccine" and a bunch of other experts come out and say "no, it's actually harmful to most people", then I'll listen to the experts and not Trump.

If Trump comes out and says "this is the vaccine" and he is backed up by most of the scientific community, I'll be first in line to take it.

--Mr. DT

I don’t care if trump and / or the “experts” say it’s the vaccine. I’m not taking it. And anyone that shows up at my door telling me otherwise will meet their maker immediately. And there’s no question millions will do the same thing. No government is going to be allowed to force vaccination on a majority of this country. How’s that for politically correct.
And before the tirade begins, we supposedly have a vaccine for the flu, yet 80,000 people died last year from it. We supposedly have a vaccine for TB, yet 60,000 people died from it last year. All deaths in this country. So please enlighten me as to how a vaccine is so effective. And those people Who can’t understand that this whole load of BS is about a vaccine and the people involved making billions of dollars off of it are blinded by fear. The Native Americans needed blankets. History showed how that turned out.

 

[tigergrad03]

I'm not gonna refute dick because you're not gonna listen to me anyway.

As for "mentally weak" for playing teams or whatever, I mean Trump can't even stand to have Clinton's, Bush's, or Obama's portraits in public display, so that's the ultimate in weak ass mentality, and that's ya boy right there.

If a doctor comes to me and says "you should take Hydroxychloroquine because of X or Y", then sure I'd listen and probably take it if he thought it's safe because I LISTEN TO MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS. Unlike some of y'all. Has nothing to do with Trump.

I'm proud to be a Democrat and proud that it pisses so many of you off.

Enjoy your evening.

Are you proud of the democratic ran cities being destroyed all over this country?

 

[PontificatingUnifex]

I don’t care if trump and / or the “experts” say it’s the vaccine. I’m not taking it. And anyone that shows up at my door telling me otherwise will meet their maker immediately. And there’s no question millions will do the same thing. No government is going to be allowed to force vaccination on a majority of this country. How’s that for politically correct.
And before the tirade begins, we supposedly have a vaccine for the flu, yet 80,000 people died last year from it. We supposedly have a vaccine for TB, yet 60,000 people died from it last year. All deaths in this country. So please enlighten me as to how a vaccine is so effective. And those people Who can’t understand that this whole load of BS is about a vaccine and the people involved making billions of dollars off of it are blinded by fear. The Native Americans needed blankets. History showed how that turned out.

You’re literally insane if you believe TB killed 60,000 people in America last year.

 

[crawfdog]

This thread gave me COVID

The Covids*

 

[tigergrad03]

You’re literally insane if you believe TB killed 60,000 people in America last year.

Oh it’s you again. Nice try dodging the main point.

 

[PontificatingUnifex]

Oh it’s you again. Nice try dodging the main point.

The main point is your absolute lack of credibility.

 

[tigergrad03]

The main point is your absolute lack of credibility.

Wrong again. But as a doctor, please explain to me how a vaccine can be created under the assumption that it works and will be the end all be all, when it doesn’t even work for the flu. How does one create something to work on a virus that mutates often and continually changes? And more so, the few times I’ve been sick and seen a doctor, I was told you just have a virus, yet here are some antibiotics, which treat bacteria not viruses, and sent home. I’ve never been able to make sense out of doctors treating symptoms and not finding the cause of the symptoms. Does that make sense?

 

[tigergrad03]

The main point is your absolute lack of credibility.

Anyone can spout off about anyone’s credibility. That’s a cop out.

 

[PontificatingUnifex]

Wrong again. But as a doctor, please explain to me how a vaccine can be created under the assumption that it works and will be the end all be all, when it doesn’t even work for the flu. How does one create something to work on a virus that mutates often and continually changes? And more so, the few times I’ve been sick and seen a doctor, I was told you just have a virus, yet here are some antibiotics, which treat bacteria not viruses, and sent home. I’ve never been able to make sense out of doctors treating symptoms and not finding the cause of the symptoms. Does that make sense?

Actually quite easily...depending on the virus. Data indicates this virus is not mutating at a high rate. The Hepatitis vaccine would be one such example. Lots of doctors prescribe antibiotics when unnecessary, less so now than 20 yrs ago, but it still happens.

The reason it started was purely psychological, people went to the doctor to get a “fix” for the problem so the doctor prescribed something. It wasn’t good medicine then and still isn’t. Now a virus can lead to a secondary bacterial infection which would necessitate an antibiotic but that’s not typical of the “common cold”

 

[tigergrad03]

Actually quite easily...depending on the virus. Data indicates this virus is not mutating at a high rate. The Hepatitis vaccine would be one such example. Lots of doctors prescribe antibiotics when unnecessary, less so now than 20 yrs ago, but it still happens.

The reason it started was purely psychological, people went to the doctor to get a “fix” for the problem so the doctor prescribed something. It wasn’t good medicine then and still isn’t. Now a virus can lead to a secondary bacterial infection which would necessitate an antibiotic but that’s not typical of the “common cold”

That wasn’t so hard. Perhaps you could offer suggestions as to what might help with this problem. Is homeopathic treatment the answer? Dana Ullman

 

[hopefultiger13]

https://justthenews.com/politics-po...ays-hydroxychloroquine-key-defeating-covid-19

This is known. But it is bad because it comes from the bad orange man! It provides further evidence that only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity and we're not completely sure about the universe.

No, it's really not. An epidemiologist is a stats guy with a specialty in tracking diseases. I'm sure this guy is really smart, but I'm not asking my accountant for advice on real estate even if he is a smart guy. His "data" is based on smaller non random trials... There's been no large randomized trials that will provide proof one way or the other. There have been several larger studies that indicate that it is not advisable to use and/or has no effect. There's also a larger Henry Ford center study that says it does. Bottom line is that no one knows for sure. BUT the evidence as it stands now is such that the FDA does not recommend using it, reversing their opinion from earlier.

https://www.fda.gov/drugs/drug-safe...oroquine-covid-19-outside-hospital-setting-or

 

[hopefultiger13]

This drug is being dismissed based soley on the fact that it is so cheap and is already available. Big pharma don't want the public to know about it because they will not make billions of of it.

Now I'm no fan of Big Pharma, but your premise assumes something that I'm not prepared to believe. The doctors who run the FDA and all the guys that we go to on a regular bases, have to be lying as well. They have be telling you not to take a drug that might save your life, JUST so that Big Pharma (and themselves presumably) can make more money. While I have no doubt there are a few out there that would. Not for a second do I believe that the average Dr (or FDA official) would let people die to make a buck.

 

[tigergrad03]

No, it's really not. An epidemiologist is a stats guy with a specialty in tracking diseases. I'm sure this guy is really smart, but I'm not asking my accountant for advice on real estate even if he is a smart guy. His "data" is based on smaller non random trials... There's been no large randomized trials that will provide proof one way or the other. There have been several larger studies that indicate that it is not advisable to use and/or has no effect. There's also a larger Henry Ford center study that says it does. Bottom line is that no one knows for sure. BUT the evidence as it stands now is such that the FDA does not recommend using it, reversing their opinion from earlier.

https://www.fda.gov/drugs/drug-safe...oroquine-covid-19-outside-hospital-setting-or

What you fail to realize is the fake science used in the studies of HCQ are when people are given extremely high does that become toxic. One 200mg pill every 1-2 weeks is how it works. Drink a bottle of aspirin and see what happens. Anything that isn’t given in the correct dosage can be toxic. And the two largest medical journals in the world have already had to retract information stating HCQ is harmful due to this very thing. They sale HCQ over the counter in other countries including India and Iran. Think about that. Yet in the US pharmacist won’t give it in many cases when a doctor writes the script for it. That should tell you everything. The CDC and Fauci do not under any circumstances want this to get out. If it does they don’t make a dime off of a phony vaccine. End of discussion.

 

[gregorycarlisle]

@hopefultiger13 how about doctors who actually treat patients?

 

[PontificatingUnifex]

This drug is being dismissed based soley on the fact that it is so cheap and is already available. Big pharma don't want the public to know about it because they will not make billions of of it.

The drug that is getting the most positive feedback currently is decadron....a dirt cheap steroid that’s been around forever. Doctors are going to use what is working.

 

[tigergrad03]

The drug that is getting the most positive feedback currently is decadron....a dirt cheap steroid that’s been around forever. Doctors are going to use what is working.

Some doctors. I suppose it depends on the individual situation. Yes decadron has been discussed but why skip over a 70 year old drug that when PROPERLY used in combination with zinc actually works for less than $20? And worse yet why all but ban it? It’s unprecedented for a pharmacist to not fill a prescription for political reasons. Because that’s really the only explanation other than more money down the road. Unless your Gates and money isn’t the driving factor, rather power and control. The truth is always hidden in the details. The internet has allowed people to gather information that would have never been possible or much more difficult to obtain. When I see doctors getting online all over this country saying they are successfully treating hundreds of patients with the right dose of HCQ and zinc, with 100% effectiveness, that’s gonna get some attention. The key is treating it early on with this. When a hospital sends a person home to QUARANTINE for 14 days and they begin to get worse by the day, now we have whole different issue.

 

[appalachiatiger]

bleach pretty much kills anything and everything i thought