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Zelensky, Trump press conference

It was understood that he wanted a security guarantee before he turned over his country's riches to the grifter in chief, which for the record, they never got around to discussing before he was cruelly evicted. But regardless, nothing he did deserved that despicable public display of hatred and pro-Kremlin talking points. No president in our history would have treated an ally so disrespectfully - it was shameful and beneath us.



The people are not happy



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Comparing this situation to Churchill/Roosevelt and Germany is either the height of stupidity or shameless intellectual dishonesty.
 
Comparing this situation to Churchill/Roosevelt and Germany is either the height of stupidity or shameless intellectual dishonesty.
It's an analogy for illustrative purposes, not meant to equate the scale of the two events. No matter how you slice it, this is a terrible deal for Ukraine:

1) They must give up parts of their country to Russia
2) They can't join NATO
3) Requires them to pay back the US for past aid, even though a good bit of their infrastructure has been bombed back to the stone age
4) They won't receive any more US aid
5) They will get no security guarantee

In addition they have to suffer the indignity of being treated like the guilty party while Russia gives up nothing...and these are our friends we're talking about.
 
So what? That is not proof that the FBI incited the riot. Of course, insiders were for surveillance.
The inspectors general report confirmed there were no fbi agents in the crowd but there were paid informants, even though that's not unusual. I wouldn't waste my time arguing with that dude because he only engages with propaganda that sounds good to him, with no regard for the truth.


 
46. And I pay all the bills at my house.

Ten bad takeaways from the Zelenskyy blow-up1. Zelenskyy does not grasp—or deliberately ignores—the bitter truth: those with whom he feels most affinity (Western globalists, the American Left, the Europeans) have little power in 2025 to help him. And those with whom he obviously does not like or seeks to embarrass (cf. his Scranton, Penn. campaign-like visit in September 2024) alone have the power to save him. For his own sake, I hope he is not being “briefed” by the Obama-Clinton-Biden gang to confront Trump, given their interests are not really Ukraine’s as they feign.

2. Zelenskyy acts as if his agendas and ours are identical. So, he keeps insisting that he is fighting for us despite our two-ocean-distance that he mocks. We do have many shared interests with Ukraine, but not all by any means: Trump wants to “reset” with Russia and triangulate it against China. He seeks to avoid a 1962 DEFCON 2-like crisis over a proxy showdown in proximity to a nuclear rival. And he sincerely wants to end the deadlocked Stalingrad slaughterhouse for everyone’s sake.

3. The Europeans (and Canada) are now talking loudly of a new muscular antithesis, independent of the U.S. Promises, promises—given that would require Europeans to prune back their social welfare state, frack, use nuclear, stop the green obsessions, and spend 3-5 percent of their GDP on defense. The U.S. does not just pay 16 percent of NATO’s budget but also puts up with asymmetrical tariffs that result in a European Union trade surplus of $160 billion, plays the world cop patrolling sea-lanes and deterring terrorists and rogues states that otherwise might interrupt Europe’s commercial networks abroad, as well as de facto including Europe under a nuclear umbrella of 6,500 nukes.

4. Zelenskyy must know that all of the once deal-stopping issues to peace have been de facto settled: Ukraine is now better armed than most NATO nations, but will not be in NATO; and no president has or will ever supply Ukraine with the armed wherewithal to take back the Donbass and Crimea. So, the only two issues are a) how far will Putin be willing to withdraw to his 2022 borders and b) how will he be deterred? The first is answered by a commercial sector/tripwire, joint Ukrainian-US-Europe resource development corridor in Eastern Ukraine, coupled with a Korea-like DMZ; the second by the fact that Putin unlike his 2008 and 2014 invasions has now lost a million dead and wounded to a Ukraine that will remain thusly armed.

5. What are Zelenskyy’s alternatives without much U.S. help—wait for a return of the Democrats to the White House in four years? Hope for a rearmed Europe? Pray for a Democratic House and a 3rd Vindman-like engineered Trump impeachment? Or swallow his pride, return to the White House, sign the rare-earth minerals deal, invite in the Euros (are they seriously willing to patrol a DMZ?), and hope Trump can warn Putin, as he did successfully between 2017-21, not to dare try it again?

6. If there is a cease fire, a commercial deal, a Euro ground presence, and influx of Western companies into Ukraine, would there be elections? And if so, would Zelenskyy and his party win? And if not, would there be a successor transparent government that would reveal exactly where all the Western financial aid money went?

7. Zelenskyy might see a model in Netanyahu. The Biden Administration was far harder on him than Trump is on Ukraine: suspending arms shipments, demanding cease-fires, prodding for a wartime, bipartisan cabinet, hammering Israel on collateral damage—none of which Westerners have demanded of Zelenskyy. Yet Netanyahu managed a hostile Biden, kept Israel close to its patron, and when visiting was gracious to his host. Netanyahu certainly would never before the global media have interrupted, and berated a host and patron president in the White House.

8. If Ukraine has alienated the U.S. what then is its strategic victory plan? Wait around for more Euros? Hold off an increasingly invigorated Russian military? Cede more territory? What, then, exactly are Zelenskyy’s cards he seems to think are a winning hand?

9. If one views carefully all the 50-minute tape, most of it was going quite well—until Zelenskyy started correcting Vance firstly, and Trump secondly. By Ukraine-splaining to his hosts, and by his gestures, tone, and interruptions, he made it clear that he assumed that Trump was just more of the same compliant, clueless moneybags Biden waxen effigy. And that was naïve for such a supposedly worldly leader.

10. March 2025 is not March 2022, after the heroic saving of Kyiv—but three years and 1.5 million dead and wounded later. Zelenskyy is no longer the international heartthrob with the glamorous entourage. He has postponed elections, outlawed opposition media and parties, suspended habeas corpus and walked out of negotiations when he had an even hand in Spring 2022 and apparently even now when he does not in Spring 2025.Quo vadis, Volodymyr?
 
That's all you have. BTW, I am hated for my views on space exploration. Which is to say the low hanging fruit of federal waste. I don't know if that is dpic's view.
Doesn't matter, he can't explain the logic for why someone would want to spend money on multiple subscriptions to do.....something?

He started it because, if you've noticed, he doesn't have the ability to discuss actual subjects so he's appointed himself chief harasser/hall monitor. And he knows the low IQ pack of maga seals will bark and clap in unison - and that strokes his ego.

I don't have strong opinions about space exploration except it's cool to watch shows about it on the Science channel
 
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Doesn't matter, he can't explain the logic for why someone would want to spend money on multiple subscriptions to do.....something?

He started it because, if you've noticed, he doesn't have the ability to discuss actual subjects so he's appointed himself chief harasser/hall monitor. And he knows the low IQ pack of maga seals will bark and clap in unison - and that strokes his ego.

I don't have strong opinions about space exploration except it's cool to watch shows about it on the Science channel
The entertainment value of you having a conversation with yourself is strong.

How’s Deionlovessomething doing?
 
That's all you have. BTW, I am hated for my views on space exploration. Which is to say the low hanging fruit of federal waste. I don't know if that is dpic's view.
He has no view, only spews leftist rhetoric from CNN, MSNBC or The View, three of the most influential political outlets in America. 😂😂
 
The entertainment value of you having a conversation with yourself is strong.

How’s Deionlovessomething doing?
The most entertaining is his views of spending a vacation for a week and gaining the pulse of a country while tipping a guy who “shares” his same values of American culture while laughing behind his back.
Dude is truly clueless on economics and culture outside of the US because he’s never lived outside of his moms house.
 
You left out a very important detail. Zelensky didn't sign the deal because it didn't come with a security guarantee. His country has already been destroyed and hundreds of thousands killed and he's supposed to sit there like a bump on a log while they spin a Kremlin based version of the war? Trump was requiring that he re-pay them five times the amount of US assistance in rare-earth minerals and he came with his hat in his hand, ready to do the deal, even though he was the victim.

And let's not forget they allowed reporters from Russian state media to attend while barring Reuters and the Associated Press because it was a pre-planned mob hit designed to give them an excuse to side with Putin. Kudos to Zelensky for keeping his composure under that angry, humilating display of pro-Kremlin diplomacy that has made us a pariah on the world stage.

You and maga are the only people in the world that saw this disgusting clown-show as a win for Trump.
Zelensky agreed to the deal. He was supposedly just coming to sign it. He went off script in a very bad way.
 
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