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I think what makes this loss particularly hard is...

the lack of hope going around. We are 6-2....not a great record but not bad either. This loss although it was tough to watch would not be so hard to deal with if we were looking at a top 10 recruiting class coming in (hell even a top 25), portal fills where needed, a budget to compete with the bigger schools and a full staff that we believed in. We don't have any of those things right now which makes losing much tougher.

If I were the HC I would do these things:

1. Immediately fire the DC. Great guy that should have never been put in this position. He is not a leader of men. It was a mistake. Own it and move on. Don't wait until Monday.
2. Pay a few portal positions of need just as I would pay my current players that I was trying to keep. After all they are experienced and will be a part of this team.
3. Budget? no clue on this one. I have no idea how much we actually have that we can spend. We need to be able to get Iptay involved.
4. Recruiting....we have to adapt. I hate it. It's absolutely ridiculous what is going on, but our recruiting class is terrible right now. We only have 14 kids committed at the moment and we are going to absolutely lose players to the portal this year. We should be signing 20+ every year.

SMU & Miami

wouldn’t one of them have to lose 2 conference games for us to get into ACC championship?

Common opponent between all 3 is Louisville. SMU & Miami both beat Louisville. Hypothetically if SMU dropped to BC on the 16th, wouldn’t they still have the upper hand on Clemson because of Louisville being the common opponent?

I understand that Clemson has to get a ton better themselves, so don’t come at me for that. Just trying to understand tiebreaker scenarios and who I should be cheering for from here on out.

Does it matter if Dabo makes any staff changes?

If he still will not play the high school and portal game line every single other school does, will it matter if he makes any changes?

The OL looked average at best. The 4th and 1 stop was embarrassing and that was with a better coach. The DEs look awful (well, it’s because we don’t have talent there) and that’s a new coach.

College football is so much about compiling the best possible talent. I am all about paying our current players, but we have to first get those good players.

Think about this...

If you're having to use your best defensive starters to simply block a few guys on field goals..
What does that say about the dependable depth on this team? A true freshman OL should be able to slide down..make himself wide..and block anyone from coming in the gap.. It's stupidly simple. I'm afraid of what we truly have.
Everyone has seen the second team defensive guys get run over. This team is not prepared and maybe have been poorly evaluated, as far as talent, for a top D1 program.

Another Wes Goodwin Thread

Defensive Coordinators out there. Please explain to me the logic of just rushing 4 and getting no pressure on opponents QB and trying to play coverage on the back end. It's been happening all year. LB (Goodwin's position group) are just not good and it's just not this year. Trotter couldn't cover a wheel route out of the backfield all last year and our run fits are terrible. Recruiting has suffered at this position. One thing you knew with Venables, that the LB were coached up and the position was recruited. It shows terribly.

What are we covering up with only rushing 4? I've never been a big fan of the Goodwin hire. Just no experience to justify this hire and our defense and schemes really stink. Time to move on!!!

Board help

Not sure if anyone knows any tips or tricks but rivals support is no help.

Like many I "follow" Chris, Larry, Paul and a select few others (such as Valley Challenger and other known credible insiders, and a few select personal friends) so that I can quickly see content in the 'news feed'...well one follow I'd like to unfollow as their activity has gotten so frequent they totally fill up my newsfeed.

Problem is - after I initially followed them they set their profile to private and when I click unfollow it says 'this member restricts others from viewing their profile. Contacting yahoo customer (dis)service they provided instructions on unfollowing, which I had tried and failed due to the aforementioned restriction. I explained this and they said "if a user restricts viewing you cant follow that user"...but I already "follow" them - I want to unfollow them

Any ideas?

@Cris_Ard

Week 10 Sports Investing Thread

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Tues 7pm FIU -7 vs New Mexico St

7:30pm Tex St -4 vs Louisiana

8pm Sam Houston-10 vs La.Tech

Wed 7pm Liberty - 1vs Jax St

7:30 W.Ky -24.5 vs Kennesaw St

Thur 7:30pm Tulane - 16 at Charlotte

Fri 7pm UConn -7 vs Ga.St.

USF -2 at FAU

8pm Boise st -23.5 vs SDST

Sat 12pm

Ohio St -4 at Penn ST

Miami -20.5 vs Duke

Ole Miss -6.5 at Arky

Army -24.5 vs Air Force

NW -1 at Purdue

Minn. -2.5 at Illinois

NCST -10 vs Stanford

VT -3.5 at Syracuse

Memphis - 7.5 at UTSA

12:45 Auburn -6.5 vs Vandy *** what? Auburn is favored over Vandy? All over that

2:30 Main at OK

ODU - 2.5 at App St.

UAB -3 vs Tulsa

3:30pm Oregon -14.5 vs Michigan

UGA -17 vs FL

Iowa st -14.5 vs Texas Tech

Indiana -7 at Mich St

K.State -13 at Houston

Nebr -7 vs UCLA

UNC - 2.5 at FSU

UCF -6 vs Arizona

UTEP -3 vs Mid Tenn

4pm New Mex -6 vs Wyoming

Coastal -4 at Troy

Navy -12 at Rice

4:15 pm Miss St -17.5 vs UMass

7pm Ariz st -1 at Okie St

7:30 pm TXA&M -3.5 at USuC

Clemson -7 vs Louisville

Iowa -3.5 vs Wisky

USC -2.5 at Washington

S.Alabama -5.5 vs Ga.Southern

7:45pm Tenn -15.5 vs Ky

8pm SMU-7 vs Pitt

Baylor -3 vs TCU

Colorado St -1 at Nevada

Wow. Last game start at 8pm.

What if Dabo does follow Saban and UVA’s Tony Bennett

And decides he’s had enough after this season and with the new era of CFB. Who do we want that’s a good mix of Dabo’s character & integrity - but will also play the game with all the new rules?

I love Dabo and appreciate so much what he’s done for Clemson and what he stands for, but I feel like we’re going down hill fast. I’m not saying at all that I want him to call it quits, but I also don’t feel like we’re on a successful path anymore.

How embarrassing

This is a total shit show. Offense sucks. Defense sucks. We were lulled into a false sense of semi optimism by playing a pathetic schedule.

Our NIL is a shit show.

Our approach to the portal is a shit show.

Dabo’s continued insistence on hiring completely green and unqualified coaches is a shit show (hi Wes).

Being stuck in a C tier conference is a shit show.

It’s very hard to invest heavily in Clemson football right now. What are the signals that we’re trending up? What are we doing to fix the critical failures in the program? How are we fixing the core funding elements needed to succeed in today’s environment?

It’s big time broken. Hope the powers at be do something to fix it.

Paul Finebaum Today

ESPN personality Paul Finebaum joined The Matt Barrie Show on Sunday morning to give his reaction to all the Week 1 college football action.

To no surprise, Finebaum didn’t hold back on how he feels about Dabo Swinney and the Clemson football program when discussing the 14th-ranked Tigers’ 34-3 loss to No. 1 Georgia on Saturday in Atlanta.

“Most smart people, Matt, knew that the noon game would not be very close,” Finebaum said.

“I sat on the set Saturday morning saying what I’m saying now about Clemson, and a former Heisman Trophy winner, a guy that understands football better than the two of us combined, told me that Clemson is a great program and this game will be very tight. And I just sat there at that moment, usually kept my mouth shut, because I knew it wasn’t a good idea. I knew what was going to happen, and so did you, Matt.”

Finebaum thinks Saturday’s game between the Bulldogs and Tigers shows that the elite status of Swinney and his program is over.

“It’s as much about how well Kirby Smart has control of that program as it is to say that Dabo Swinney’s time as an elite coach is over,” Finebaum said.

“Clemson is a good program, they’ll compete in the ACC, but their days as a program that matters, their days as a program that is spoken with reverence, are gone. Everyone knows what they’ve done, but they’re not doing it this year, and I don’t see them ever doing it again as long as Dabo Swinney is there.”

Finebaum went on to say that Swinney should “start planning an exit strategy.”

“And I don’t mean that the program is isn’t capable. But his approach to college football doesn’t work any longer. He’s been slow to move for everything. He now has that reputation as ‘grumpy Dabo,’ and I frankly think Dabo Swinney would be smart to start planning an exit strategy,” Finebaum said.

“I’m not saying they’re getting rid of him. They’re not. They’re stuck with him. He’s part of who they are. But he would be better to look elsewhere, to find another way to do it, because it’s simply not going to matter. He may find ways into the playoff in the future, but he’s not going to find a way to hold up the trophy any longer, not the way he’s running that program.”

Clemson trailed only 6-0 after two quarters on Saturday before being outscored 28-3 over the final two frames, and Finebaum wonders what the game would’ve looked like, had Georgia been firing on all cylinders before halftime.

“I don’t know how many times on Sunday morning we’ve had this conversation about Dabo, and I feel like I’m beating a dead horse because he is a good football coach,” Finebaum said.

“But it’s over, Dabo. This is not going to change. And by the way, you didn’t even get an A effort from Georgia. It was methodical, but that was a pretty sloppy first half by Georgia. What happens if they start clicking in the first quarter?

Didn’t think I would ever say this, but

This program is cooked under Dabo I don’t know if there is a way to fix it also. Recruiting is getting significantly worse as it goes on. Obviously NIL is and will continue to be an issue. I would be stunned if we retained almost all our starters which pretty any our hope is in. I think neff needs to sit down with Dabo and have a real conversation.
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