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Alright Trumpians Time to rework your excuses (again)

thanks

so

#1

Human rights activists (These people are mostly nuts)

sued Trump, his campaign and the Trump Organization

in New York state court in September 2015,

alleging that they were “violently attacked” by his security guards

while they were protesting on the sidewalk in front of Trump Tower. ---

I dont care about this.

violently attacked while they were protesting.

i would want to know each individual protester.

why were they not working instead of protesting.

there are other ways to protest that doesnt infinge on other americans 1st amendment rights, or interrupt businesses in the act of lega commerce.

trump should counter sue each protester.

edit- i also think anyone who was blocked or hindered or harassed entering or exiting the building should sue the person in their way.

great, thats one. This list does not include the settlements that trump made for his pyramid scheme... um excuse me university and for his recent settlement in the case against his charity - you know the one where he was funneling charitable donations into his own pockets. Trump and his family are now barred from operating a charity in new york state.
 
great, thats one. This list does not include the settlements that trump made for his pyramid scheme... um excuse me university and for his recent settlement in the case against his charity - you know the one where he was funneling charitable donations into his own pockets. Trump and his family are now barred from operating a charity in new york state.

im working my up each one at a time.

trump university isnt in number 10.

number 10 listed a bunch of human right activist that should have been at work or playing with their children using different methods to champion their cause than by bothering other humans in active commerce.
 
#2

"E. Jean Carroll, an author and advice columnist,

became the latest woman to accuse Trump of sexual misconduct when she wrote a June magazine article

claiming Trump raped her more than a decade ago in a Bergdorf Goodman dressing room.

Trump denied the claim,

and earlier this month Carroll sued him for defamation in New York for publicly questioning her honesty."---

its been over 10 years. 7 years right?

if he raped her thats bad. i dont approve.

but has nothing to do with now.

waiting 10 years is a problem.

after he serves 8 years, then she can proceed.

waste of time really.

too late now. its political.
 
#2

"E. Jean Carroll, an author and advice columnist,

became the latest woman to accuse Trump of sexual misconduct when she wrote a June magazine article

claiming Trump raped her more than a decade ago in a Bergdorf Goodman dressing room.

Trump denied the claim,

and earlier this month Carroll sued him for defamation in New York for publicly questioning her honesty."---

its been over 10 years. 7 years right?

if he raped her thats bad. i dont approve.

but has nothing to do with now.

waiting 10 years is a problem.

after he serves 8 years, then she can proceed.

waste of time really.

too late now. its political.

Smh
 
Trump will be impeached by the house. But no way will the republican controlled senate will remove trump. The only way trump leaves is through resigning. The only that would happen so if the Dems go to the courts and force the key players to testify and force WH to release the records and documents they have been refusing to release. The evidence would be overwhelming at that point.

I can't figure out why they are even doing all of this. Just go ahead and hold a vote.

The vote to impeach will be the same as it would have been in January - right along party lines. Just like it would have been in January 2017 (though the numbers would be different) - right along party lines.

Go to the senate - vote will be right along party lines.

Nothing will be accomplished except time wasted by the HoR which hasn't done a damn thing in almost a year.

Democrats would have a lot more credibility if they hadn't been screaming impeachment before Trump even took office.
 
#7

New York’s Department of Financial Services

is looking into allegations made by Trump’s former lawyer, Michael Cohen,

that the Trump Organization defrauded insurers by inflating the value of company assets covered under certain policies. --

asset value is an opinion.

easiest example.

your mortgage.

on one side-

on the opening market my home is worth $1.2 million dollars

on the other side

the county thinks my home is worth $575,000.

the truth lies somewhere in between.

an asset is always tied to a market value which is a collection of opinions.
 
I can't figure out why they are even doing all of this. Just go ahead and hold a vote.

The vote to impeach will be the same as it would have been in January - right along party lines. Just like it would have been in January 2017 (though the numbers would be different) - right along party lines.

Go to the senate - vote will be right along party lines.

Nothing will be accomplished except time wasted by the HoR which hasn't done a damn thing in almost a year.

Democrats would have a lot more credibility if they hadn't been screaming impeachment before Trump even took office.

I agree about the vote, it will always go on party lines.

I don't think it is fair to say that "democrats have been screaming impeachment since before trump took office". Only a few individuals did that. That would be like saying all republican politicians are secretly gay, just because a handful of them keep getting caught doinking dudes.

the congress has not done shite in years, not just the last year. They sure were in no rush to do anything in Obama's second term. Trying to stick that on one party isnt fair.
 
I can't figure out why they are even doing all of this. Just go ahead and hold a vote.

The vote to impeach will be the same as it would have been in January - right along party lines. Just like it would have been in January 2017 (though the numbers would be different) - right along party lines.

Go to the senate - vote will be right along party lines.

Nothing will be accomplished except time wasted by the HoR which hasn't done a damn thing in almost a year.

Democrats would have a lot more credibility if they hadn't been screaming impeachment before Trump even took office.

just one other point. at this point it is clear that trump committed a crime, and when he was busted he quickly released the funds so he could cover his ass. whether it is impeachable is the open question. But the dems in congress had no choice but to start hearings, otherwise they are not doing their jobs. Many were relunctant, but that is one of the reasons they were there.

I didnt hear republicans screaming when Trey Gowdy held 11 hearings on benghazi (that resulted in nothing).
 
I agree about the vote, it will always go on party lines.

I don't think it is fair to say that "democrats have been screaming impeachment since before trump took office". Only a few individuals did that. That would be like saying all republican politicians are secretly gay, just because a handful of them keep getting caught doinking dudes.

the congress has not done shite in years, not just the last year. They sure were in no rush to do anything in Obama's second term. Trying to stick that on one party isnt fair.

I agree that Congress' biggest talent is in doing nothing. But this is the first time I can remember that a house of Congress has literally accomplished absolutely nothing in nearly a year. Not a single damn thing that I can think of. Or even tried to.

Well except for the Green New Deal. Which was idiotic.

just one other point. at this point it is clear that trump committed a crime, and when he was busted he quickly released the funds so he could cover his ass. whether it is impeachable is the open question. But the dems in congress had no choice but to start hearings, otherwise they are not doing their jobs. Many were relunctant, but that is one of the reasons they were there.

I didnt hear republicans screaming when Trey Gowdy held 11 hearings on benghazi (that resulted in nothing).

Fair point on it only being a few. But we all know that if a few think it, all believe it.

Just like all Democrats think that everyone that voted for Trump is a racist moron.

(see what I did there?)

As to whether Trump committed a crime - at this point I'm not sure how much I really care. Because the HOR will vote to impeach, the Senate will vote it down, and in 2020 we will have Trump vs some far-left Dem candidate.

All of this is going to happen. It is a fixed outcome.

The only variable is how much does the blowback from this investigation hurt Biden - but he's toast anyway.

I will disagree on Benghazi based not on the results (that can't be argued) but I believe that was a much more serious issue that needed investigation. But - of course it was partisan.
 
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I agree that Congress' biggest talent is in doing nothing. But this is the first time I can remember that a house of Congress has literally accomplished absolutely nothing in nearly a year. Not a single damn thing that I can think of. Or even tried to.

Well except for the Green New Deal. Which was idiotic.



Fair point on it only being a few. But we all know that if a few think it, all believe it.

Just like all Democrats think that everyone that voted for Trump is a racist moron.

(see what I did there?)

As to whether Trump committed a crime - at this point I'm not sure how much I really care. Because the HOR will vote to impeach, the Senate will vote it down, and in 2020 we will have Trump vs some far-left Dem candidate.

All of this is going to happen. It is a fixed outcome.

The only variable is how much does the blowback from this investigation hurt Biden - but he's toast anyway.

I will disagree on Benghazi based not on the results (that can't be argued) but I believe that was a much more serious issue that needed investigation. But - of course it was partisan.

personally I really hope that a far left candidate does not make it through the democratic primary. It will be interesting to see if Bloomberg can make a push, he would be my #1 choice.

I was on the Biden train, but he is bumbling his way through this process.
 
So Trump's own guy now says that it was quid pro quo (although I'm still not sure that this is somehow a crime). That's how many people now? So obviously Trump lied to everyone AGAIN. I'm sure that's no surprise to any Trumpians, you guys LOVE when he lies to you, after all.

So you'll have to wait until tonight when Hannity tells you what to think, but in the meantime, I'd go with the non impeachable offense. So something like this... yes the President lied to the American People (again). That's ok though as this is DONALD TRUMP. He can lie all he wants. He still didn't do anything to get impeached for b/c DONALD TRUMP told us he didn't. And we all know what a "straight shooter" he is.
At least he didn’t lie about a relationship with a woman on this one.
He obviously wouldn’t do that .... wait.
whoops
 
We're about to find out why the dems are even running this fake impeachment sham. They're trying to run cover on what Rudy is going to expose. Let me remind all of the lib-dems that not one of Shifty's witnesses ever stated that Trump committed a crime. In fact, they were all directly asked by the rebubs what, if any crime Trump committed. Not one has stated such a thing, yet dems are all over tv and in this thread claiming so. Unbelievable, but true.

 
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We're about to find out why the dems are even running this fake impeachment sham. They're trying to run cover on what Rudy is going to expose. Let me remind all of the lib-dems that not one of Shifty's witnesses ever stated that Trump committed a crime. In fact, they were all directly asked by the rebubs what, if any crime Trump committed. Not one has stated such a thing, yet dems are all over tv and in this thread claiming so. Unbelievable, but true.


rudy is the nations top law enforcer.
 
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We're about to find out why the dems are even running this fake impeachment sham. They're trying to run cover on what Rudy is going to expose. Let me remind all of the lib-dems that not one of Shifty's witnesses ever stated that Trump committed a crime. In fact, they were all directly asked by the rebubs what, if any crime Trump committed. Not one has stated such a thing, yet dems are all over tv and in this thread claiming so. Unbelievable, but true.


Looks like we’ll at least have a clear outcome with both sides claiming the other is toast
 
its finally time for the mia to held responsible.

im glad nunes is going after cnn now.

cnn keeps lying on top of lying.

american workers see thru the sham.
 
Looks like we’ll at least have a clear outcome with both sides claiming the other is toast

I can't see any positive outcome for the dems, but you are correct in your statement. Up until now, the dems,(Schiff), has had total control of the proceedings. Pre-screening testimony in the basement, not allowing the rebubs to call witnesses, not allowing witnesses to answer some rebubs questions, lying about not knowing the identity of the whistler, not allowing all pre-screened witnesses to testify publicly, etc, has not been a good look to the majority of independent voters.
I believe Rush Limbaugh might be on to something with the idea that Pelosi could pull the plug and blame the dastardly repubs for being complicit in Trump's guilt. Since the repubs are not gonna "do the right thing" and vote to impeach, she cannot embarrass the country because the criminal repub party has become a cult; blindly following the most dangerous man in the world. This way, she thinks she can escape the corner she's backed herself into, and blame it all on the enemy. Trust me. Regardless of what they say, (MSM, dems, etc), they know that they have nothing. Not only this, but they also know that once the defense is in a position to call witnesses, and this false notion that the whistler is entitled to anonymity is put to bed, they,(dems) really are toast; maybe for a couple of generations.
As an example, the Sondland testimony is a perfect example of how Schiff and the MSM control the narrative, up til now. Shortly after Sondland's opening statement, in which he somehow left out the fact that he had a phone conversation with the POTUS, Schiff calls a recess, runs out to the press and before testimony can resume, the MSM is saying BOMBSHELL!, SMOKING GUN! etc. and then once testimony resumes and Sondland is exposed to cross examination, this happens:
 
personally I really hope that a far left candidate does not make it through the democratic primary. It will be interesting to see if Bloomberg can make a push, he would be my #1 choice.

I was on the Biden train, but he is bumbling his way through this process.


biden is out. caught on tape bribing a foreign leader.

he is done.

tulsi or the gay dude is whats left if i was a democrat.

i surely would not support a liberal.

i think in the next few years, parties are gonna become less relevant, as democrats move away from liberals, and moderate republicans move away from the conservatives. moderate republicans and democrats have more in common than democrats have with their liberal partners.

democrats are feeling uneasy about socialism.
 
man i have watched all 30 hours of this testimony.

i think schiff was secretly working for trumps agenda of attacking the deep state career officials.

or

schiff is one of the most ignorant attorneys ever to pass the bar.
 
personally I really hope that a far left candidate does not make it through the democratic primary. It will be interesting to see if Bloomberg can make a push, he would be my #1 choice.

I was on the Biden train, but he is bumbling his way through this process.

Was gonna post that I may have been wrong on impeachment as it appeared to be starting to crack in the house, but it appears it is still on the rails.

Biden won't be elected. Especially if this Ukraine thing blows up on him but I don't see the DNC getting behind an "old white guy" regardless. Same for Bernie - plus I don't see them supporting someone who technically isn't even in their party (he's an independent in Congress). I also think Bernie is too far left for the general electorate.

The rest of the Dems are pretty much all far left - just a matter of how far.
 
I can't see any positive outcome for the dems, but you are correct in your statement. Up until now, the dems,(Schiff), has had total control of the proceedings. Pre-screening testimony in the basement, not allowing the rebubs to call witnesses, not allowing witnesses to answer some rebubs questions, lying about not knowing the identity of the whistler, not allowing all pre-screened witnesses to testify publicly, etc, has not been a good look to the majority of independent voters.
I believe Rush Limbaugh might be on to something with the idea that Pelosi could pull the plug and blame the dastardly repubs for being complicit in Trump's guilt. Since the repubs are not gonna "do the right thing" and vote to impeach, she cannot embarrass the country because the criminal repub party has become a cult; blindly following the most dangerous man in the world. This way, she thinks she can escape the corner she's backed herself into, and blame it all on the enemy. Trust me. Regardless of what they say, (MSM, dems, etc), they know that they have nothing. Not only this, but they also know that once the defense is in a position to call witnesses, and this false notion that the whistler is entitled to anonymity is put to bed, they,(dems) really are toast; maybe for a couple of generations.
As an example, the Sondland testimony is a perfect example of how Schiff and the MSM control the narrative, up til now. Shortly after Sondland's opening statement, in which he somehow left out the fact that he had a phone conversation with the POTUS, Schiff calls a recess, runs out to the press and before testimony can resume, the MSM is saying BOMBSHELL!, SMOKING GUN! etc. and then once testimony resumes and Sondland is exposed to cross examination, this happens:

The more I watch this thing the more I honestly think they’re equal and opposite (Trump admin and Pelosi dems). It’s easy for us to get caught up in an investigation where the two parties also determine the outcome. Schiff is probably crazy and Rudy is probably really crazy. Trump just takes it a step further with his actions. It’s grandious to think your guy is going to take down the corruption that was created and is controlled by the opposition. They’re both pretty equally corrupt. One media company (the one that is, by far, the biggest corporation) calls all the rest of the media companies puppets that are controlled by the interests of the few elites. The most elitist president we’ve ever had has a following of people who elect him to be the most powerful man in the world and a lot of that constituency believes in a New Wolrd Order - run by elites. I don’t think either side is something to be proud of right now but I do not understand the Trump support at this point. The evidence doesn’t support it. I don’t ever see how history sees him as a great president unless he makes some turnarounds.
 
I can't see any positive outcome for the dems, but you are correct in your statement. Up until now, the dems,(Schiff), has had total control of the proceedings. Pre-screening testimony in the basement, not allowing the rebubs to call witnesses, not allowing witnesses to answer some rebubs questions, lying about not knowing the identity of the whistler, not allowing all pre-screened witnesses to testify publicly, etc, has not been a good look to the majority of independent voters.
I believe Rush Limbaugh might be on to something with the idea that Pelosi could pull the plug and blame the dastardly repubs for being complicit in Trump's guilt. Since the repubs are not gonna "do the right thing" and vote to impeach, she cannot embarrass the country because the criminal repub party has become a cult; blindly following the most dangerous man in the world. This way, she thinks she can escape the corner she's backed herself into, and blame it all on the enemy. Trust me. Regardless of what they say, (MSM, dems, etc), they know that they have nothing. Not only this, but they also know that once the defense is in a position to call witnesses, and this false notion that the whistler is entitled to anonymity is put to bed, they,(dems) really are toast; maybe for a couple of generations.
As an example, the Sondland testimony is a perfect example of how Schiff and the MSM control the narrative, up til now. Shortly after Sondland's opening statement, in which he somehow left out the fact that he had a phone conversation with the POTUS, Schiff calls a recess, runs out to the press and before testimony can resume, the MSM is saying BOMBSHELL!, SMOKING GUN! etc. and then once testimony resumes and Sondland is exposed to cross examination, this happens:

The more I watch this thing the more I honestly think they’re equal and opposite (Trump admin and Pelosi dems). It’s easy for us to get caught up in an investigation where the two parties also determine the outcome. Schiff is probably crazy and Rudy is probably really crazy. Trump just takes it a step further with his actions. It’s grandious to think your guy is going to take down the corruption that was created and is controlled by the opposition. They’re both pretty equally corrupt. One media company (the one that is, by far, the biggest corporation) calls all the rest of the media companies puppets that are controlled by the interests of the few elites. The most elitist president we’ve ever had has a following of people who elect him to be the most powerful man in the world and a lot of that constituency believes in a New World Order - run by elites. I don’t think either side is something to be proud of right now but I do not understand the Trump support at this point. The evidence doesn’t support it. I don’t ever see how history sees him as a great president unless he makes some turnarounds.
 
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The more I watch this thing the more I honestly think they’re equal and opposite (Trump admin and Pelosi dems). It’s easy for us to get caught up in an investigation where the two parties also determine the outcome. Schiff is probably crazy and Rudy is probably really crazy. Trump just takes it a step further with his actions. It’s grandious to think your guy is going to take down the corruption that was created and is controlled by the opposition. They’re both pretty equally corrupt. One media company (the one that is, by far, the biggest corporation) calls all the rest of the media companies puppets that are controlled by the interests of the few elites. The most elitist president we’ve ever had has a following of people who elect him to be the most powerful man in the world and a lot of that constituency believes in a New World Order - run by elites. I don’t think either side is something to be proud of right now but I do not understand the Trump support at this point. The evidence doesn’t support it. I don’t ever see how history sees him as a great president unless he makes some turnarounds.

Well said sir. I personally don't see how anyone with even a modicum of self respect could support either party.
 
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The more I watch this thing the more I honestly think they’re equal and opposite (Trump admin and Pelosi dems). It’s easy for us to get caught up in an investigation where the two parties also determine the outcome. Schiff is probably crazy and Rudy is probably really crazy. Trump just takes it a step further with his actions. It’s grandious to think your guy is going to take down the corruption that was created and is controlled by the opposition. They’re both pretty equally corrupt. One media company (the one that is, by far, the biggest corporation) calls all the rest of the media companies puppets that are controlled by the interests of the few elites. The most elitist president we’ve ever had has a following of people who elect him to be the most powerful man in the world and a lot of that constituency believes in a New World Order - run by elites. I don’t think either side is something to be proud of right now but I do not understand the Trump support at this point. The evidence doesn’t support it. I don’t ever see how history sees him as a great president unless he makes some turnarounds.

Well said sir. I personally don't see how anyone with even a modicum of self respect could support either party.
 
Well said sir. I personally don't see how anyone with even a modicum of self respect could support either party.

It’s gotten out of hand. I feel like we’re watching a football game that has gone into infinite OT and there will be no winner.

BTW I think I noticed you were an Oracle DA..I work at this middleware company so I deal with you guys a good bit. That’s an awesome job.
 
The more I watch this thing the more I honestly think they’re equal and opposite (Trump admin and Pelosi dems). It’s easy for us to get caught up in an investigation where the two parties also determine the outcome. Schiff is probably crazy and Rudy is probably really crazy. Trump just takes it a step further with his actions. It’s grandious to think your guy is going to take down the corruption that was created and is controlled by the opposition. They’re both pretty equally corrupt. One media company (the one that is, by far, the biggest corporation) calls all the rest of the media companies puppets that are controlled by the interests of the few elites. The most elitist president we’ve ever had has a following of people who elect him to be the most powerful man in the world and a lot of that constituency believes in a New Wolrd Order - run by elites. I don’t think either side is something to be proud of right now but I do not understand the Trump support at this point. The evidence doesn’t support it. I don’t ever see how history sees him as a great president unless he makes some turnarounds.

90% of all media is owned by 6 corporations. None of those 6 are conservative or pro Trump. True that the corruption runs deep in both parties. I believe a lot of it will be exposed before the next election. Trump tweets and says the things he does because it is the only way he can fight the media, who lie constantly about him. You see Trump as an elitist. I see him fighting the elitist. The lineup of witnesses in Schiffs hearings is a full blown testament to elitism; except for maybe Sondland. All I saw there, were a bunch of snotty, Ivy leaguers, who are butt hurt because Trump decided to run foreign policy differently than what they wanted; as is his right under the Constitution.
People forget what an awesome prosecutor Rudy was at SDNY and probably the best mayor in the history of NYC. He knows what he is doing. He wants to testify, but not when the repubs are hamstrung by Schiff's dictatorship hearing. I expect Rudy to spend a lot of time in front of the Senate Jurors giving tons of testimony.
 
90% of all media is owned by 6 corporations. None of those 6 are conservative or pro Trump. True that the corruption runs deep in both parties. I believe a lot of it will be exposed before the next election. Trump tweets and says the things he does because it is the only way he can fight the media, who lie constantly about him. You see Trump as an elitist. I see him fighting the elitist.

I’m not sure about the 90% part but the rest of this is true. This is one big place we disagree. I see a lot of corruption in both (Trump admin and the dems) and you don’t. You believe Trump is sincere and I think he is pushing the rhetoric he is because there is a large constituency of people like you who will vote for him because of it. I think he’s, at minimum, just as corrupt. I don’t believe his tweets or speeches. He’s lied to me and the American people too many times to do that. You can mention Obama or Pelosi or Schiff or whoever but those people have absolutely no impact on the person and president Trump is. Sure, they’re corrupt and power-hungry and bad - let’s just put that behind us. If I look at Trump in a bubble, I’m not proud of what he stands for and I don’t believe he is the beginning of the end of corruption in DC.
 
Dude. The guy that donated $1 million dollars to President Trump and got appointed as a reward just said the President and his closest advisers were involved in a quid pro quo.

he said his opinion was that "the president and his closest advisers were involved in a quid pro quo."

his opinion does not tip the scales on that side as

1. the actual transcript.

2. party 1 of transcript personal statement.

3. party 2 of transcript personal statement.


then argument 2-

what was the actual "quid pro quo" that happened.

1- first quid pro quo (THAT WE KNOW FOR A FACT) was joe biden extorting the ukrainian president to fire the prosecutor investigating the company his son was on the board.

2- trump did ask to reverse this decision. and it COULD be a part of the aid being held up. aid had to be released by sept 30th. all aid in that budget had a sept 30th distribution date.

SIDE NOTE- for those who just dont watch cnn would understand the presidents ukrainians policy.

his was very adament about the eu picking up some part of tab.

before the whistleblower report took over the narrative,

trump was traveling to eu and bitching at them to start picking up more of the tab.

taxpayers are sick and tired of wasting money in europe.
 
yay

hear our first witness believes that a president can be removed without committing a crime.

turley goes last.

what a waste of time.

love when our democratic friends talk down to us wal mart shoppers.
 
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