Anybody listening to Board meeting called to discuss campus climate?

[PAWrocka]

changing the names of buildings doesnt "silence history". books and the internet are still a thing.

Too me “history” would apply if the Tillman Hall was always called that. The fact that the name was changed in 1962, smack dab in the middle of the civil rights movement, to be named after a violent racist asshole (coincidence?)... the history argument holds no water.
Change it back to Old Main and be done with it

 

[jungle_cat]

Too me “history” would apply if the Tillman Hall was always called that. The fact that the name was changed in 1962, smack dab in the middle of the civil rights movement, to be named after a violent racist asshole (coincidence?)... the history argument holds no water.
Change it back to Old Main and be done with it

No issue with it being changed to Old Main, but it wasn't changed to Tillman Hall in the 1960s. I believe it was done in the 1940s after a lobbying campaign by Tillman's son.

 

[PAWrocka]

No issue with it being changed to Old Main, but it wasn't changed to Tillman Hall in the 1960s. I believe it was done in the 1940s after a lobbying campaign by Tillman's son.

1946. It was the hall at Winthrop that was renamed to Tillman in 1962.

just change it and be done with it

 

[Trading Tiger]

No disrespect intended, but it's the liberal professors who are responsible for former and current players voicing their misgivings about the names on buildings?

Who do you think told them who the building was named after?

I didn't know that Tillman Hall was named after Ben Tillman and that he did bad things until the big uproar years ago, and I'm a lifelong Clemson fan/alum.

You can doubt, deny, and explain it away as much as you like, but the truth is someone told those kids that they should be upset, and of course they took the bait.

College kids, especially football players, have WAAAAAAAAAY too much on their plate to be researching the backgrounds of the names on the buildings all by themselves. Seriously, WGAF what the building is called? Some of those buildings might as well have been named Hell!! Like Martin Hall. I don't know who Martin is, but fvck that guy and the calculus that he rode in on.

 

[MacAttackTiger]

We’ve gone from “There’s something in these hills” and “I love the place, Best times of my life” to a racist, bigoted institution of higher learning. Makes total sense. Buy the BS if you want.

Nobody has said that. Calm down dude. Also you’re part of the problem. It doesn’t go away bc you want to ignore it. Put your politics away for 5mins and act like a human being. Maybe be proud of Clemson students for standing up for something. Beats only giving a shit about video games and tik tok. GO Tigers

 

[ChicagoTiger85]

Who do you think told them who the building was named after?

I didn't know that Tillman Hall was named after Ben Tillman and that he did bad things until the big uproar years ago, and I'm a lifelong Clemson fan/alum.

You can doubt, deny, and explain it away as much as you like, but the truth is someone told those kids that they should be upset, and of course they took the bait.

College kids, especially football players, have WAAAAAAAAAY too much on their plate to be researching the backgrounds of the names on the buildings all by themselves. Seriously, WGAF what the building is called? Some of those buildings might as well have been named Hell!! Like Martin Hall. I don't know who Martin is, but fvck that guy and the calculus that he rode in on.

Not sure you can really say that about John C. Calhoun. Some of these people are exactly the kinds of people a college student should be learning about. But there’s something to the idea that activist courses beget activism. That’s the whole idea behind them, after all.

 

[Mais Qui Tiger]

No disrespect intended, but it's the liberal professors who are responsible for former and current players voicing their misgivings about the names on buildings?

Give me a break, no one lives in a bubble that they don' know history.

 

[wallaceb]

The left has a "death grip" on college campuses, that must change!! The way to the change isd through the purse strings! Any college accepting Federal funds must teach a course on Capitalism VS Socialism taught by certified Professors in capitalism. Let's get balance back in Education!

lol

 

[auctionhome]

It's not just the shootings.
It is being 2 to 4 times more likely to be stopped.

It's not just being stopped.
It is being two times less likely to get a callback, if you have the same exact resume with a black sounding name.

It's not just the callback.
It is knowing for every $100 a white family possesses, you will have $5.04

It is the systems and that includes Clemson. The state of SC is 27% black, but Clemson has just 6.31% on campus.

When the battle over taking the confederate flag down raged on a few years ago, my daughter came to me in tears. She absorbed the news, saw people driving around with the flag, and most importantly heard her friends parrot the comments of their parents. Her words shook me, "I don’t want to be black anymore. These people will never accept me". We of course led her through it and made her focus on all of the people in her life who love her.

Taking that flag down didn't change hearts, but to 1.2 million residents of this state, it meant they didn't have to endure a symbol of oppression.

 

[4toTampa]

We are bombarded by the Left on how we should react. I recommend Shelby Steele for another view. Black professor from Stanford.

 

[auctionhome]

We are bombarded by the Left on how we should react. I recommend Shelby Steele for another view. Black professor from Stanford.

That comment sounds like someone who is bombarded and fed by the right. Turn off the news, pick up a book or two, listen to local black leaders.

 

[4toTampa]

No, hear both sides. The facts coming from somebody like Dr. Steele make people very uncomfortable. Is he wrong? Are his facts off? Educate yourself.

I sure don’t listen to people like Al Sharpton. He’s been spewing venom for decades. That’s how he gets PAID. if these issues he propagates get solved, his resources dry up so he has to continually fuel it. Wish he would spend more time on the fact that 70%+ of black children have no father at home and work to solve that. That would be a great step for advancement. Nobody wants to talk about that though. Just white guilt.

 

[auctionhome]

T

No, hear both sides. The facts coming from somebody like Dr. Steele make people very uncomfortable. Is he wrong? Are his facts off? Educate yourself.

I sure don’t listen to people like Al Sharpton. He’s been spewing venom for decades. That’s how he gets PAID. if these issues he propagates get solved, his resources dry up so he has to continually fuel it. Wish he would spend more time on the fact that 70%+ of black children have no father at home and work to solve that. That would be a great step for advancement. Nobody wants to talk about that though. Just white guilt.

The only people who believe Al Sharpton speaks for black people are white people. Go listen to local black leaders.

 

[4toTampa]

I listen to all that are reasonable and have facts to back up their statements. I mentioned Al because he seems to be the guy that gets all the press. I mentioned Shelby Steele because he has a totally different view. One liberal view and one conservative view. Are we just supposed to listen to the left and take their word as the gospel? Why not listen to both?

My simple solution from someone who again had a grandmother murdered by 2 black teens is to get the father back into the home. During the formative years, children need to have a strong leader to instill discipline, encourage/build up the child, give them their best opportunity. Break the dependence on something other than yourself.

Guess what happened to the 2-year old son of one of my grandmother’s murders? The father was absent when he was 2 and he is still absent today because he’s in prison. That’s a travesty. Luckily, that child has become a college graduate and has taken a path much different than the example his father set.

 

[gooddogjudge]

I listen to all that are reasonable and have facts to back up their statements. I mentioned Al because he seems to be the guy that gets all the press. I mentioned Shelby Steele because he has a totally different view. One liberal view and one conservative view. Are we just supposed to listen to the left and take their word as the gospel? Why not listen to both?

My simple solution from someone who again had a grandmother murdered by 2 black teens is to get the father back into the home. During the formative years, children need to have a strong leader to instill discipline, encourage/build up the child, give them their best opportunity. Break the dependence on something other than yourself.

Guess what happened to the 2-year old son of one of my grandmother’s murders? The father was absent when he was 2 and he is still absent today because he’s in prison. That’s a travesty. Luckily, that child has become a college graduate and has taken a path much different than the example his father set.

Your story is a wonderful one of forgiveness! Thanks for sharing.

 

[CU Alumnus]

too late

https://www.reputationdefender.com/

But this is a important lesson for our kids, definitely those with teenagers now. The things they post on social media will follow them for the rest of their lives.

Shoot ... when I evaluate resumes, I make 3 piles. 1 pile is people who dont meet the qualifications (Thanks HR for wasting my time). Second pile is folks who meet the qualifications but I just dont get a warm fuzzy from their resume. Third pile are people who meet the qualifications and I like their resume (Clemson degrees get placed in this pile by default). I then take pile 3 and go out on Google and social media platforms and start looking these people up and look for "red flags". It truly is amazing what people allow to be put out there ...

Can it go out and destroy text messages, and screen captures of text messages and social media posts?

Because that would be cool. I want that. I don't think I NEED it (my social media history is full of cat videos mostly) but it would be a good safety valve if I was rich and famous.

 

[Larry_Williams]

Who do you think told them who the building was named after?

I didn't know that Tillman Hall was named after Ben Tillman and that he did bad things until the big uproar years ago, and I'm a lifelong Clemson fan/alum.

You can doubt, deny, and explain it away as much as you like, but the truth is someone told those kids that they should be upset, and of course they took the bait.

College kids, especially football players, have WAAAAAAAAAY too much on their plate to be researching the backgrounds of the names on the buildings all by themselves. Seriously, WGAF what the building is called? Some of those buildings might as well have been named Hell!! Like Martin Hall. I don't know who Martin is, but fvck that guy and the calculus that he rode in on.

Yeah let's just ignore history that us ugly and damn anyone who brings it up.

The former players "took the bait" by educating themselves on the history and then constructively becoming a part of the conversation on that history? Wow.

 

[Larry_Williams]

Give me a break, no one lives in a bubble that they don' know history.

Not sure what you're saying.

 

[CU Alumnus]

T


The only people who believe Al Sharpton speaks for black people are white people. Go listen to local black leaders.

Actually very few white people think that. But too many (especially in the media) refuse to ignore him. So he gets paid.

Didn't they effectively tell him to go F himself when he went to Charleston a few years ago?

 

[TunaSafari]

I listen to all that are reasonable and have facts to back up their statements. I mentioned Al because he seems to be the guy that gets all the press. I mentioned Shelby Steele because he has a totally different view. One liberal view and one conservative view. Are we just supposed to listen to the left and take their word as the gospel? Why not listen to both?

My simple solution from someone who again had a grandmother murdered by 2 black teens is to get the father back into the home. During the formative years, children need to have a strong leader to instill discipline, encourage/build up the child, give them their best opportunity. Break the dependence on something other than yourself.

Guess what happened to the 2-year old son of one of my grandmother’s murders? The father was absent when he was 2 and he is still absent today because he’s in prison. That’s a travesty. Luckily, that child has become a college graduate and has taken a path much different than the example his father set.

To be honest, I thought it was odd you would parade that story around the first time in order to give yourself some credibility. To do it a second time? Fishy at best. People who strive for good like that, aka the parents in the story, don't run around and tell the world. So you likely either made it up, or you fell far from the tree. Regardless, please stop pushing it on us like you can't be wrong b/c of it.

 

[Trading Tiger]

Yeah let's just ignore history that us ugly and damn anyone who brings it up.

The former players "took the bait" by educating themselves on the history and then constructively becoming a part of the conversation on that history? Wow.

Not ignore, but embrace, even the ugly parts, lest we be doomed to repeat it.

"And then constructively becoming a part of the conversation...", what conversation? There was no conversation, they didn't become a part of the conversation, they started the conversation. IMO a needless conversation because again, until someone told them to be upset, no one had a problem with the name.

 

[auctionhome]

Not ignore, but embrace, even the ugly parts, lest we be doomed to repeat it.

"And then constructively becoming a part of the conversation...", what conversation? There was no conversation, they didn't become a part of the conversation, they started the conversation. IMO a needless conversation because again, until someone told them to be upset, no one had a problem with the name.

The changing of the name of Tillman and Calhoun has been part of the conversation in the African American community for years. The athletes aren't late to the conversation, you are.

 

[Trading Tiger]

The changing of the name of Tillman and Calhoun has been part of the conversation in the African American community for years. The athletes aren't late to the conversation, you are.

How many years?

 

[TunaSafari]

How many years?

At least 10, it was happening when I was a freshman in 2010.

Edit: I believe that was also the year someone was putting bananas on the african american history month signs. As a white kid in my first year of college I brushed that aside as one idiot, though in hindsight it may have been more widespread than I gave it credit for. Clearly we are not above the need to work towards being better.

 

[Trading Tiger]

At least 10, it was happening when I was a freshman in 2010.

Edit: I believe that was also the year someone was putting bananas on the african american history month signs. As a white kid in my first year of college I brushed that aside as one idiot, though in hindsight it may have been more widespread than I gave it credit for. Clearly we are not above the need to work towards being better.

Yeah, that's what I was talking about. I don't know how the conversation got switched over to the athletes, I never said anything about athletes, that's on Larry.

Wasn't it discovered that a black kid was responsible for the bananas?

 

[auctionhome]

“We have done our level best [to prevent blacks from voting]...we have scratched our heads to find out how we could eliminate the last one of them. We stuffed ballot boxes. We shot them. We are not ashamed of it.” Benjamin Ryan Tillman, the namesake of Clemson University's Tillman Hall, in a 1900 speech in the U.S. Senate.

In 1901, when Booker T Washington was invited to dinner by Theodore Roosevelt, he was the first man ever invited to the White House. Tillman said “ because one n——- ate dinner in the White House, shall have to kill 1,000 n—— to get them back in their places”.

 

[TunaSafari]

Yeah, that's what I was talking about. I don't know how the conversation got switched over to the athletes, I never said anything about athletes, that's on Larry.

Wasn't it discovered that a black kid was responsible for the bananas?

Don't think so, pretty sure that was just a rumor.