Anybody watching the debate...
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two of them ran the campaign (and neither are anymore), and ailes is a current advisor. he already appointed them to leadership roles. Pretty clear evidence, in such a short period of time, combined with his repeated claim that he knows more about ISIS than generals, doesnt lead me to believe he will appoint good people.
Wow man!! Trump has never held public office. He is the anti politician coming in to clean up the shit going on this country.
It's strange to see a woman blindly defend trump
Says trump will hire the best people.
Is reminded that his campaign is run by a group of bigots, fear mongers, misogynists, xenophobes and narcissists who are preying on the uneducated.
Doesn't even care. EMAILS
Well he definitely will take action to
I will gladly support any unknown with Trump as opposed to Hillary being elected. She will further destroy this country. Just do not understand how EDUCATED people can support her.
I will gladly support any unknown with Trump as opposed to Hillary being elected. She will further destroy this country. Just do not understand how EDUCATED people can support her.
I see things pretty much from the liberal perspective of how things went... that Trump started out great, got some good stuff in on the economy and trade, and then started taking the bait and made an incoherent a$$ of himself in the last hour of the debate.
From the perspective of a never trump voter who is planning to vote for Gary Johnson, nothing changed for me. I will say I feel better about a Hillary Presidency after last night (it still annoys and bothers me), but still don't plan to vote for her... If I lived in North Carolina or Ohio though, I probably would... I think that is unfortunate news for Trump because I identify as a swing voter, a typical republican voter who will occasionally cross the aisle when either I don't feel the republcan candidate is qualified or when the democratic candidate has some fiscal conservative leanings.
I wouldn't be surprised if Hillary started to win back some of the Obama coalition (which I don't identify as, voted against him twice).
From the perspective of a never trump voter who is planning to vote for Gary Johnson, nothing changed for me. I will say I feel better about a Hillary Presidency after last night (it still annoys and bothers me), but still don't plan to vote for her... If I lived in North Carolina or Ohio though, I probably would... I think that is unfortunate news for Trump because I identify as a swing voter, a typical republican voter who will occasionally cross the aisle when either I don't feel the republcan candidate is qualified or when the democratic candidate has some fiscal conservative leanings.
I wouldn't be surprised if Hillary started to win back some of the Obama coalition (which I don't identify as, voted against him twice).
ok, so you think all voters will think he was "Bauce" or a specific demographic? What demographics will swing the election?
Its a dead heat now in the majority of the polls. He is right where he needs to be now and will pound her in the remaining debates. If not for the unusually high libertarian support this cycle, he would win in a landslide.
he was super bauce when he said the word "bigly"... he has the best words.
you do realize the libritarian support is unusually high because many people cant stand him, you do get that right? Gary Johnson was there the last election, on the ballot in 48 states, this isn't a new thing, Trump is turning independents away from the Republican party... he's been clawing some of them back the past month, that is indisputable, but Clinton also has a chance to grab some of them back. The election will be decided on which way the current 3rd party voters break... or if they stay 3rd party loyal, it could be a coin flip.
I thought Trump was pretty good to start the debate and was even or slightly ahead after the first segment. From that point forward went off the rails for pretty much the rest of the debate. His taxes, birtherism, Iraq War, Temperment, Rosie O'Donnell, etc. He came off as unprepared and on the defensive making rambling responses that made not sense for basically the last 45 minutes to an hour.
I didn't think Clinton was great. She was just average. I don't think she really won over very many people herself with her performance. She didn't win the debate so much as Trump lost it. I could see some undecided voters deciding not to vote for Trump.
I can't see Trump gaining support from this debate, but not sure Clinton really makes any significant gains.
I didn't think Clinton was great. She was just average. I don't think she really won over very many people herself with her performance. She didn't win the debate so much as Trump lost it. I could see some undecided voters deciding not to vote for Trump.
I can't see Trump gaining support from this debate, but not sure Clinton really makes any significant gains.
They do the same polls both H2H and 4-Way.
Pretty much every one of these poll shows Clinton doing better in a H2H than a 4-Way, which means that the 3rd Parties are hurting Clinton more than Trump. So no Trump would not be winning in a landslide if not for the unusually high libertarian support.
its funny you say that, because HRC enjoys a gigantic margin among those with a college degree. She is up 14 points as of the 15th, according to Pew, among whites with a college degree or more. Unsurprisingly, that number goes up to 23 when minorities are added to the numbers. Among those with graduate degrees, the numbers are even worse for trump. Dont forget, Obama only won this group by 2%.
Given that the race is nearly tied nationally, what does this tell us? That trump is dominating the uneducated white people vote.
And unknown? What about donald is unknown? We know he doesnt have detailed plans. We know he cant appoint the right people. We know he cant stop himself from responding to twitter posts he is butthurt about. We know he knows absolutely nothing about foreign relations (trump: nato needs to help fight terrorism, HRC: they are...). We know hes going to take away your constitutional rights in the name of "law and order" (stop and frisk is a good thing). We know he thinks of women as objects, thinks women should change companies/careers if they are sexually harassed, and that women shouldnt work. And we know that he thinks words dont matter. That a man running for president of the united states as a major party nominee can say whatever he wants, because, again, he thinks "they are just words".
Where is the unknown? The man is a straight up pig. We know that.
round 1 was a draw
all trump supporters said he won
all hillary supporters said she won
all undecided voters are still confused...
all trump supporters said he won
all hillary supporters said she won
all undecided voters are still confused...
App, looking for an honest opinion,
If Trump had stayed cool and calm like his first 20 minutes the whole debate, would Hillary voters be more or less worried this morning...
Did the final 3 quarters of the debate help or hurt trump?
there is no write in vote in South Carolina (not sure where amynhop is from)So taking a knee or writing yourself in?
hillary supporters are very very worried.
everyone i talked to over the last week, which was between 20-30 supporters here in asheville, all said that hillary would wipe the floor with trump.
well that did not happen. he held his own. he held his own against her, against the moderator, and against all the talking heads.
it truly was just a draw.
that fake smile she had, you could just see the anger she was hiding, she was wanting to explode.
he held back from losing it too.
simply a stalemate.
we get to choose the lesser of 2 evils...
everyone i talked to over the last week, which was between 20-30 supporters here in asheville, all said that hillary would wipe the floor with trump.
well that did not happen. he held his own. he held his own against her, against the moderator, and against all the talking heads.
it truly was just a draw.
that fake smile she had, you could just see the anger she was hiding, she was wanting to explode.
he held back from losing it too.
simply a stalemate.
we get to choose the lesser of 2 evils...
im voting for trump not because i like him.
im voting for trump because i despise the washington insiders who have been fleecing america for decades.
we havent had a candidate with any real chance to take power away from these guys since perot.
we have 2 supreme court justices and 13 depts that need leaders.
i just think trump will nominate more intelligent people to run those depts and more conservative justices.
his number 1 goal as president is to renegotiate trade deals that will help the general ledger.
his outlandish remarks on nato has moved nato more towards helping us with isis.
his outlandish remarks on mexico had moved the mexican govt to help with their emigration problem.
that iranian deal that was clintons last desk work is horrible.
the iranians were LAUGHING at our weakness. just embarassing having someone like hillary be the leader of the free world.
trump aint much better, but enough for me to vote for him over her and her cronies.
im voting for trump because i despise the washington insiders who have been fleecing america for decades.
we havent had a candidate with any real chance to take power away from these guys since perot.
we have 2 supreme court justices and 13 depts that need leaders.
i just think trump will nominate more intelligent people to run those depts and more conservative justices.
his number 1 goal as president is to renegotiate trade deals that will help the general ledger.
his outlandish remarks on nato has moved nato more towards helping us with isis.
his outlandish remarks on mexico had moved the mexican govt to help with their emigration problem.
that iranian deal that was clintons last desk work is horrible.
the iranians were LAUGHING at our weakness. just embarassing having someone like hillary be the leader of the free world.
trump aint much better, but enough for me to vote for him over her and her cronies.
I can't stand HRC or any current regime folks. I am ready for a complete house cleaning and will gladly welcome the unknowns of what 4 years of Trump will be vs the known illegal, immoral, and sleazy 4 years of the Clintons and their friends that they haven't killed off yet.
understand the assessment... but really actually want your take and opinion on the strategy / approach... if Trump had been the trump of the first 20 minutes the whole debate would that have been better or worse for him... Is boring composed Trump better or worse for his elect-ability than "letting trump be trump"?
Lots of Libs and moderates have contrasted his first 20 minutes from the rest of the debate? Do you agree there was a clear difference in composure / style or as a clean house rid Washington of the status quo type did the difference not register significantly with you?
i think trump's strategy worked well throughout the debate.
when he brought up the emails is when the liberals got defensive. they know hillary is a liar a thief and just a corrupt human being. they just dont want to admit it.
trump gets frustrated when things dont seem to be making progress.
he is a businessman. if nothing is being accomplished, his type of people get frustrated and want to move on to something of substance.
hillary is a politician. she can sit there for hours with a fake smile and talk about nothing. doesnt bother her at all. thats what politicians can do.
they can go into a room and talk for hours and come out with nothing and the biggest thing to that is they really dont care. they get their check, thats all that really counts.
i think his strategy is more refined since kelly took over. he still needs to learn to hold his tongue and put a fake smile on like clinton.
alot of folks favor style over substance. they could care less about the issues. does he or she look good? do they dress the way i would dress?
those are super important, even more so than actual issues.
notice hillary was in a red outfit. long enough to cover her wide ass. very plain. red for war.
trump wore a calming blue tie. if his tie had been red, the liberals would have colorized his behavior in a more extreme manner.
and notice she vary rarely pointed. she used to point at us. but she has been trained to use her hands in a different manner now.
her smile was sooo fake.
from a moderate perspective who doesn't think the country is as broke as some do, I'd have been more impressed to see him hold the composure of the first 20 minutes the entire debate. wouldn't have changed my vote, but would have made me more nervous... but my instincts tend to correlate with the left of center media, i saw the debate and thought clinton was adequate (not great), but that Trump lost it in the second half... the media thought bush lost the first debate against gore... we'll see how things swing in the polls this week.
i agree completely that Clinton is crooked... I think Donald Trump is just as crooked but less qualified / informed.
many say "less qualified."
does holding public office make you a better choice? a majority of americans want an "outsider". that automatically makes someone "less qualified" by definition of mainstream.
kinda like saying we should hire muschump as a head coach over say CBV due to muschump is "more qualifed" due to having prior head coaching experience.
as far as "more informed"- it depends on who you surround yourself with once in office. i loved reagan because his number one thing was that he often said he was just an ordinary guy, but he was going to surround himself with experts in each field.
its not luck that a majority of military leaders and a majority or police officers support trump.
we need new blood in the oval office. tired of all the bunts and singles that bring us the same old crap dressed in different clothes.
clinton screwed up libya, messed up the iranian deal, helped with the formation of isis, helped destabilize syria,
got nothing going with north korea, china continues to rape us in trade.
why not try a new approach.
just like trump tried to point out in chicago. you guys in chicago have had liberal leaders for like the last 60 years. aint nothing changed, only got worse.
"what the hell you got to lose?"
ps
have you notice that when black americans adopt republican principles that they become successful?
thats not a coincidence....
have you notice that when black americans adopt republican principles that they become successful?
thats not a coincidence....
i think there are outsiders who could also be qualified. I didn't like Carly Fiorina, she's never held public office, but i found her qualified.
to me a big part of qualified is, do you present coherent arguments to nuanced issues, do you understand issues, do you understand factual data and truth. I have concerns about hillary clinton, i think she is a self serving crook, i have concerns that Trump can't tell the difference between a good idea and 'selling steak at the sharper image.'
as far as the majority of americans want an outsider, this is what i think of the majority of americans.
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what i love about trump-
i like the fact that he is a normal guy. he says whatever is on his mind. thats refreshing. whther we agree with him or not, at least he is not "hiding" behind some face to please people.
i like that fact that he can change his mind, evolve. admit his mistakes. takes a big person to admit when they are wrong.
he agreed with hillary a few times last nite. he is a great listener with an open mind.
hillary never once submitted to the idea of agreeing with trump on anything.
her staff is the one who fueled the "birther issue". and like trump said, its pretty much a stupid issue to argue. he is the president and nothing you could do about it.
but once a birth cert or evidence was brought forth, AND THE ISSUE CARRIED SOME WEIGHT, trump came clean.
if hillary would have simply apologized and stated yes, my staff pushed the birther issue and we were wrong. i would have more respect for her.
trump's strongest trait is that he is a dam good negotiator. he already said he was going to let experts handle the 13 depts and let pence deal with congress.
he was going to focus on negotiating trade deals and work to keep american companies (and jobs) stateside.
$20 trillion may not seem like alot of debt, but if the fed raises interest rates, be interesting how they rework the ledger to buy us more time.
"The democratic process relies on the assumption that citizens (the majority of them, at least) can recognize the best political candidate, or best policy idea, when they see it. But a growing body of research has revealed an unfortunate aspect of the human psyche that would seem to disprove this notion, and imply instead that democratic elections produce mediocre leadership and policies."
the citizens cant focus on the best policy ideas is because they are not as tangible as one's attire, posture, or mannerisms.
trump won the thinking behind trade, behind jobs, behind infrastructure, behind community improvements, behind the strategy in the middle east.
once the "policy ideas" segment was over and we went jerry springer, trump was disgusted that the debate flatlined and nothing was going to be achieved
that was right in clinton's wheelhouse, to stand there and smile as time passes. boring.
i would rather have seen trump debate sanders. much more substantive than what you get with clinton.
@toolucky52384
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The research, led by David Dunning, a psychologist at Cornell University, shows that incompetent people are inherently unable to judge the competence of other people, or the quality of those people's ideas. For example, if people lack expertise on tax reform, it is very difficult for them to identify the candidates who are actual experts. They simply lack the mental tools needed to make meaningful judgments.
As a result, no amount of information or facts about political candidates can override the inherent inability of many voters to accurately evaluate them. On top of that, "very smart ideas are going to be hard for people to adopt, because most people don’t have the sophistication to recognize how good an idea is," Dunning told Life's Little Mysteries."
i would argue that its not that most of these people are dumb. many are educated, they simply to lack the time needed to engulf themselves with the issue to make an educated judgement.
spending 30 minutes a nite studying the policies and tactics in the middle east is not everyones cup of tea.
alot easier to find quote from some "respectable journalist" on a google search to "back up" your initial thought to how reality should be handled.
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The research, led by David Dunning, a psychologist at Cornell University, shows that incompetent people are inherently unable to judge the competence of other people, or the quality of those people's ideas. For example, if people lack expertise on tax reform, it is very difficult for them to identify the candidates who are actual experts. They simply lack the mental tools needed to make meaningful judgments.
As a result, no amount of information or facts about political candidates can override the inherent inability of many voters to accurately evaluate them. On top of that, "very smart ideas are going to be hard for people to adopt, because most people don’t have the sophistication to recognize how good an idea is," Dunning told Life's Little Mysteries."
i would argue that its not that most of these people are dumb. many are educated, they simply to lack the time needed to engulf themselves with the issue to make an educated judgement.
spending 30 minutes a nite studying the policies and tactics in the middle east is not everyones cup of tea.
alot easier to find quote from some "respectable journalist" on a google search to "back up" your initial thought to how reality should be handled.
i'll align with you philosophically on jobs, and infrastructure, however, i worry about tarrifs, I'm a free trade guy, but agree wholeheartedly that trade deals that aren't fairly enforced are problematic... I have little sympathy for Trump getting dragged off topic, he made off topic off the wall stunts his brand and rode it to the nomination.
True dat. Trump is going to carry South Carolina, and it is not going to even be close. His problem is going to be carrying the swing states. The polls in the swing states seem to be going back and forth between the two. Not uncommon for these states. That is why they call them "swing states." These states are not red or blue. I think Hillary will carry most of them. That is probably the way it will go.
yes lester holt and hillary clinton got trump off the most important things we need to be discussing.
just having someone who not only "recognizes that we are get shafted on trade deals,that we are getting hosed in the middle east, recognizes that we our infrastructure is falling apart, which is part of our national security including our border crossings, open borders, ports, and airports, and wants to do something about that might hurt some leople feelings"
versus hillary's focus is what continue doing what we have always been doing, making sure we dont rock the boat, and when something stupid happens be ready with a great speech and heavy heart and nice smile.
just having someone who not only "recognizes that we are get shafted on trade deals,that we are getting hosed in the middle east, recognizes that we our infrastructure is falling apart, which is part of our national security including our border crossings, open borders, ports, and airports, and wants to do something about that might hurt some leople feelings"
versus hillary's focus is what continue doing what we have always been doing, making sure we dont rock the boat, and when something stupid happens be ready with a great speech and heavy heart and nice smile.
my question would be-
for chicago-
whos fault is it when a human being pulls a trigger to shoot another human being?
1- the govt
2- the gun
3- the individual
or
4- the parent
the govt has been blamed, used, and financed by chicago for 3-4 generations now and its not getting better.
for chicago-
whos fault is it when a human being pulls a trigger to shoot another human being?
1- the govt
2- the gun
3- the individual
or
4- the parent
the govt has been blamed, used, and financed by chicago for 3-4 generations now and its not getting better.
i think it is mostly #3 with some level of influence / responsiblity on #4 depending on age.
accountability and prevention are not the same thing though. The government has a vested interest and partial responsibility for prevention. Government is not all bad all the time. Leadership from Government & the Community helped transform New York in the 90s. As in business, the extent of government's responsiblity is to create an environment that is suitable for success, the success has to be the decision of individuals.
One could make the argument that the government in chicago has failed and continues to fail to create an environment likely to produce successful outcomes. Does that alleviate blame from indivduals, no but it doesn't mean doing nothing is the answer.
Mr. Trump suggested 'stop and frisk' in Chicago... that is more government. I'm a small government centrist, but it seems today right wing talking points are all practically anarchist, unless the democrats are against it and then the republicans are for it.
It is just butt hurt establishment republicans making that decision due to nationalist outsider Trump taking over the party this year.
