Border control & jobs

[Dadar]

What jobs do the illegals crossing the border work in that Trump keeps ranting about?

I believe most are in areas that would be easy to find employment if physically able.

Yardwork, roofers, wmt deliveries, .... All honorable jobs that are better than where they came from.

Regime fees are going to jump through the roof.

Population demographics are important to capital markets. Balance within the population by age is a key factor for the economy. The US is very different from a country like Japan which has little culture diversity and now has an aging population. Japan addressed the aging population by basically moving production to other countries farming out the labor needs.

Agree the border needs to be controlled, but there is a lot more to this.

What Trump is pushing is autocracy.
Is that what our population really wants. I totally agree change is needed, but not what he is pushing.

 

[TigerGrowls]

What jobs do the illegals crossing the border work in that Trump keeps ranting about?

I believe most are in areas that would be easy to find employment if physically able.

Yardwork, roofers, wmt deliveries, .... All honorable jobs that are better than where they came from.

Regime fees are going to jump through the roof.

Population demographics are important to capital markets. Balance within the population by age is a key factor for the economy. The US is very different from a country like Japan which has little culture diversity and now has an aging population. Japan addressed the aging population by basically moving production to other countries farming out the labor needs.

Agree the border needs to be controlled, but there is a lot more to this.

What Trump is pushing is autocracy.
Is that what our population really wants. I totally agree change is needed, but not what he is pushing.

Send them all home and they can learn some valuable skills and then get in line to immigrate legally.

 

[DW4_2016]

Send them all home and they can learn some valuable skills and then get in line to immigrate legally.

This country would crash without them. Remember before you hated desantis? Remember when he tried it? What happened to the fruit producers in his state?

 

[TigerGrowls]

This country would crash without them. Remember before you hated desantis? Remember when he tried it? What happened to the fruit producers in his state?

Incredibly wrong.

 

[Dadar]

Incredibly wrong.

Are these jobs you wish to apply for?

 

[Dadar]

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[TigerGrowls]

 

[Dadar]

Agree the border is a problem. Why did Trump stop the bi partison bill to help control the border?

Can you give a coherent answer to this? Guess his personal priority to stay out of jail was a higher priority

 

[scotchtiger]

There should be things here we can all agree on. Any sort of government assistance being provided to illegals should end immediately. Criminals should be deported. Those not working should go.

But it’s a very real point that illegals are doing jobs today that Americans either won’t do or won’t do for the same wage. We need to balance that.

My thought has always been that they need to come out of the shadows and register in some way. If you meet certain qualifications - good employment record, not a criminal, self-sufficient, been here for X years, etc - then you get to stay. You will pay taxes. You will not receive government assistance of any kind. But you can stay and work.

Anyone not registered during the available window is deported. You had a chance.

 

[fatpiggy]

Democrats CONTINUE to miss the point (shocker we know).

legal immigration = Ok

Illegal immigration = Not ok

We want immigrants, just get in line and do it the right way.

Want a better / faster immigration system? We agree.

The reason the last bill did not pass, was very simply because it did not stop illegal immigration.

 

[Broheim]

Agree the border is a problem. Why did Trump stop the bi partison bill to help control the border?

Can you give a coherent answer to this? Guess his personal priority to stay out of jail was a higher priority

A bill wasn’t needed to enforce our border and immigration laws.

 

[yoshi121374]

A bill wasn’t needed to enforce our border and immigration laws.

Not really. You need to change the laws, what is currently happening is completely legal based on our current bills.

One thing nobody is discussing about deporting illegal immigrants is what will be done with children who were born here, and due to the US Constitution are US citizens?

Are you going to deport the parents? Who then takes care of the kids? I promise you many of the immigrants who came here to escape violence in Central America will leave their kids here for the opportunity that America gives them, rather than take them back there.

I agree with much of what @scotchtiger is saying. We need to figure out how to get them to register and pay taxes

 

[Broheim]

Not really. You need to change the laws, what is currently happening is completely legal based on our current bills.

One thing nobody is discussing about deporting illegal immigrants is what will be done with children who were born here, and due to the US Constitution are US citizens?

Are you going to deport the parents? Who then takes care of the kids? I promise you many of the immigrants who came here to escape violence in Central America will leave their kids here for the opportunity that America gives them, rather than take them back there.

I agree with much of what @scotchtiger is saying. We need to figure out how to get them to register and pay taxes

None of that precluded Border Czar Harris and the Biden administration from enforcing our border. Had they done that they might still be in power.

 

[yoshi121374]

None of that precluded Border Czar Harris and the Biden administration from enforcing our border. Had they done that they might still be in power.

Yes it did. Educate yourself about the laws and the Executive Order that Trump used, due to Covid that allowed him to lock down the borders.

 

[scotchtiger]

Yes it did. Educate yourself about the laws and the Executive Order that Trump used, due to Covid that allowed him to lock down the borders.

On the flip side, why did the Biden/Harris admin so enthusiastically reverse Trumps policies within months of taking control? Of course we now know that was a horrible idea.

 

[CUTiger1977]

 

[leetp]

What jobs do the illegals crossing the border work in that Trump keeps ranting about?

I believe most are in areas that would be easy to find employment if physically able.

Yardwork, roofers, wmt deliveries, .... All honorable jobs that are better than where they came from.

Regime fees are going to jump through the roof.

Population demographics are important to capital markets. Balance within the population by age is a key factor for the economy. The US is very different from a country like Japan which has little culture diversity and now has an aging population. Japan addressed the aging population by basically moving production to other countries farming out the labor needs.

Agree the border needs to be controlled, but there is a lot more to this.

What Trump is pushing is autocracy.
Is that what our population really wants. I totally agree change is needed, but not what he is pushing.

You bring up some good points, but I don't get the leap to autocracy. I mean, sure, Trump my desire a free hand as a means to carry out is policy....but what policy hawk doesn't? Nevertheless, we are not an autocracy, so it matters not.

As far as manpower goes, I have no doubt the immigration policy will adapt to labor demands. With the proper impetus, we can devise a way to import labor at or above present illegal immigration rates.

 

[Dadar]

A bill wasn’t needed to enforce our border and immigration laws.

Can you explain this? Do you know the bill details. It was a bi-partisan bill that Trump thought was not in his personal best interest.

 

[dpic73]

On the flip side, why did the Biden/Harris admin so enthusiastically reverse Trumps policies within months of taking control? Of course we now know that was a horrible idea.

They were playing to the progressive fringe and if there's anything at all we learned from this election, it's that Democrats need to govern from the middle and sideline the far-left as much as possible. I can live with AOC because I think she has reedemable qualities but the rest of the Squad are out of touch and need to find other careers.

 

[TruePatriot]

So much stupid in this thread. Illegal immigrants paid $100 billion in taxes in 2022.

 

[scotchtiger]

They were playing to the progressive fringe and if there's anything at all we learned from this election, it's that Democrats need to govern from the middle and sideline the far-left as much as possible. I can live with AOC because I think she has reedemable qualities but the rest of the Squad are out of touch and need to find other careers.

This is what made Kamala such a horrible candidate. She is the far left. Furthest left voting record in the senate plus a litany of clips of her supporting hard left, unpopular policies. She’s also viewed as the poster child for DEI, which has become increasingly unpopular.

 

[TigerGrowls]

There should be things here we can all agree on. Any sort of government assistance being provided to illegals should end immediately. Criminals should be deported. Those not working should go.

But it’s a very real point that illegals are doing jobs today that Americans either won’t do or won’t do for the same wage. We need to balance that.

My thought has always been that they need to come out of the shadows and register in some way. If you meet certain qualifications - good employment record, not a criminal, self-sufficient, been here for X years, etc - then you get to stay. You will pay taxes. You will not receive government assistance of any kind. But you can stay and work.

Anyone not registered during the available window is deported. You had a chance.

I would support something like this as long as its done right. Millions have to be deported though no matter how you slice it and they all need to turn themselves in if they want to stay and then do it legally meeting whatever requirements are set.

 

[TigerGrowls]

So much stupid in this thread. Illegal immigrants paid $100 billion in taxes in 2022.

Fake news!! Hundreds of billions in taxpayer funds have been spent on illegals this year alone.

 

[TruePatriot]

Fake news!! Hundreds of billions in taxpayer funds have been spent on illegals this year alone.

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[TigerGrowls]

 

[Dadar]

This article written in 2017 has a lot of information about the Mexican border and the difficulty in controlling crossings. Wish there was an easy solution

Is Trump still pushing the wall?

The Wall: The real costs of a barrier between the United States and Mexico

In her Brookings Essay, "The Wall," Brookings Senior Fellow Vanda Felbab-Brown explains the true costs of building a barrier on the U.S.-Mexico border.

www.brookings.edu

 

[scotchtiger]

So much stupid in this thread. Illegal immigrants paid $100 billion in taxes in 2022.

Fake news!! Hundreds of billions in taxpayer funds have been spent on illegals this year alone.

I have good news for both of you. My proposal (noted earlier in the thread) would enable billions more in tax collections from illegals AND eliminate billions of spending on illegals. Win win!

 

[Dadar]

Population demographics is a major factor for for capitalism. China is currently having issues with this. This has played a role in Japan moving production to foreign markets basically farming out the labor and bringing revenue home to aging population.

The US has a problem with the demographic age distribution that morphed after WW II.

"Lower birth rate trends can have a major impact on the size of the labor force. However, immigration can contribute to population growth and the labor force, making up to some degree for the declining number of births._

Maybe this is why Vance keeps pushing the US to have more babies Any way you look at it, there are significant ramifications for how the border problem can affect economic well being. Even if the birth rate increases, we would be looking at at least 18 to 20 years for it to be effective in replacing the current labor element provided by from South America.

The main issue IMHO is national security. The importance of foreign trade to the US economy renders the complete control virtually impossible for current conditions. Perhaps technology will play a larger role in the future. The growth of AI and robotics should mitigate this to some degree in the future. What we wish for usually has consequences that are unimaginable. It is hard for me to see this doing jobs like roofing, landscaping and maintenance, etc.. Who knows? The technologies we have today were unimaginable to all but a few in the past, especially pre digital tech and the internet.

This article has a lot of good and factual information about population demographics since WW II and importance to the US economy that is seldom discussed in conversations about border control

How Demographics Drive the Economy

Demographics can have a profound effect on the economy. An aging population coupled with a declining birth rate may point to a decline in economic growth.

www.investopedia.com

Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater - Wikipedia

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