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Car guys and engineers: Why did all electric pass hybrid?

The89Tiger

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I guess I don’t understand why hybrids didn’t take over. No issues with stopping to charge and great mileage…. No way this country will have enough charging infrastructure for massive quantities of EVs anytime soon.

Also, couldn’t you have an electric motor on the car and just a small gas engine to keep the batteries charged?

I can’t see getting an EV if I am going to have to find a charging station on long trips. I drive a lot so maybe I am the outlier.
 
Hybrids didn’t take off for several reasons but I’d say the fact that most are perfectly happy with their old ice engine cars is the biggest reason. Also you’re limited to what you can buy if you want a hybrid. I think a lot of people like feeling like they’re helping the environment but don’t really want to sacrifice something as sacred as their vehicle of choice. Electrics are a big scam from alll the engineers studies I’ve looked at. It takes about 500,000 lbs of ore to make one battery. Kobalt, Nickel and Lithium are all toxic and Lithium is highly flammable. The places where these are mined are pretty much environmental disaster areas. You have to drive an EV about 60,000 miles before it’s using less carbon than an ice engined car. If you drive an EV far enough and let it get old enough it’s basically worth less than it costs to replace the battery making it basically a throw away car. We’d have to double the grid in the US to charge EV’s for only half the country owning one. About the only thing they’re useful for is someone with a short commute to work. You can’t take trips in these as it takes many hours to charge them completely.
This is all presupposed on the belief in man made climate change and many aren’t buying that or don’t believe a few countries sacrificing their economies and way of life will do much when most of the world is not going along. The vast majority of pollution comes from China, India and Africa. We’re already the best in the world environmentally and produce our energy using the cleanest methods.
Go to: Watts up with That, to read some very informative reads by scientists and energy experts before you take the plunge. I doubt you save all that much with a hybrid anyway unless you drive a lot and plan on keeping it. Depends on what car and how you use it.
 
I drive a bunch of miles. I doubt I’ll get one because I will usually go to a large SUV. I just think they make more sense if you do want to improve mileage.
 
I guess I don’t understand why hybrids didn’t take over. No issues with stopping to charge and great mileage…. No way this country will have enough charging infrastructure for massive quantities of EVs anytime soon.

Also, couldn’t you have an electric motor on the car and just a small gas engine to keep the batteries charged?

I can’t see getting an EV if I am going to have to find a charging station on long trips. I drive a lot so maybe I am the outlier.
I saw a study where a large percentage of hybrid owners said they would not buy another hybrid. The mileage gain made them not worth the extra up-front costs.

There were also rumors about a new battery pack costing $10K (neighbor had to replace one in a Prius and it was about $3K).

I do think three companies had intriguing concepts that they produced:

1) Chevrolet Volt - a hybrid that you could also plug in and charge from the mains. It also could cruise on battery power alone I believe. Many first-gen hybrids only went battery only up to a very slow speed (~6mph for one particular example - Ford C-max maybe?). GM is moving to more SUVs than cars and the Volt was really expensive - I suspect partially because they built it in low quantities in Michigan, rather that adding a 'spur line' at the Chevrolet Cruz (which is what it was based on) factory.

2) Honda Accord Hybrid - they stuck the V6 in it and when you 'gave it the beans' you got full gas engine power AND full electric motor power. The result was a car that would absolutely haul ass for a 4 door sedan.

3) Fisker Karma - serial hybrid where the engine ONLY charged the batteries or powered the electric motors. The advantage here is that you could run the engine at a single RPM where it would be most efficient. That said, there were issues with the Karma. It was designed as a sports car but it sounded really weird. Plus startups for something like an automobile - where the consumer has to make a significant investment - are hard. They didn't make it. The Volt was originally supposed to be this same system, but they changed it where the gas engine could run the batteries as well.
 
Hybrids didn’t take off for several reasons but I’d say the fact that most are perfectly happy with their old ice engine cars is the biggest reason. Also you’re limited to what you can buy if you want a hybrid. I think a lot of people like feeling like they’re helping the environment but don’t really want to sacrifice something as sacred as their vehicle of choice. Electrics are a big scam from alll the engineers studies I’ve looked at. It takes about 500,000 lbs of ore to make one battery. Kobalt, Nickel and Lithium are all toxic and Lithium is highly flammable. The places where these are mined are pretty much environmental disaster areas. You have to drive an EV about 60,000 miles before it’s using less carbon than an ice engined car. If you drive an EV far enough and let it get old enough it’s basically worth less than it costs to replace the battery making it basically a throw away car. We’d have to double the grid in the US to charge EV’s for only half the country owning one. About the only thing they’re useful for is someone with a short commute to work. You can’t take trips in these as it takes many hours to charge them completely.
This is all presupposed on the belief in man made climate change and many aren’t buying that or don’t believe a few countries sacrificing their economies and way of life will do much when most of the world is not going along. The vast majority of pollution comes from China, India and Africa. We’re already the best in the world environmentally and produce our energy using the cleanest methods.
Go to: Watts up with That, to read some very informative reads by scientists and energy experts before you take the plunge. I doubt you save all that much with a hybrid anyway unless you drive a lot and plan on keeping it. Depends on what car and how you use it.
batteries are recycled, so once the ore is mined that's it it makes batteries over and over again.

check current grid draw in the middle of the night in your area. (hint: there's plenty of room to go before we're close to full capacity) 'double the grid' is hilarious

many hours to charge? maybe you're reading articles from about 1000 years ago? most fast chargers charge at about 700-1000 miles per hour meaning you can travel a full battery (a few hours on most EV) and then charge for 30-40 minutes. and dont factor in that EVs don't waste time in gas stations.
 
batteries are recycled, so once the ore is mined that's it it makes batteries over and over again.

check current grid draw in the middle of the night in your area. (hint: there's plenty of room to go before we're close to full capacity) 'double the grid' is hilarious

many hours to charge? maybe you're reading articles from about 1000 years ago? most fast chargers charge at about 700-1000 miles per hour meaning you can travel a full battery (a few hours on most EV) and then charge for 30-40 minutes. and dont factor in that EVs don't waste time in gas stations.
Serious question, how much does it cost to install a fast charger at your house?
 
Hybrids didn’t take off for several reasons but I’d say the fact that most are perfectly happy with their old ice engine cars is the biggest reason. Also you’re limited to what you can buy if you want a hybrid. I think a lot of people like feeling like they’re helping the environment but don’t really want to sacrifice something as sacred as their vehicle of choice. Electrics are a big scam from alll the engineers studies I’ve looked at. It takes about 500,000 lbs of ore to make one battery. Kobalt, Nickel and Lithium are all toxic and Lithium is highly flammable. The places where these are mined are pretty much environmental disaster areas. You have to drive an EV about 60,000 miles before it’s using less carbon than an ice engined car. If you drive an EV far enough and let it get old enough it’s basically worth less than it costs to replace the battery making it basically a throw away car. We’d have to double the grid in the US to charge EV’s for only half the country owning one. About the only thing they’re useful for is someone with a short commute to work. You can’t take trips in these as it takes many hours to charge them completely.
This is all presupposed on the belief in man made climate change and many aren’t buying that or don’t believe a few countries sacrificing their economies and way of life will do much when most of the world is not going along. The vast majority of pollution comes from China, India and Africa. We’re already the best in the world environmentally and produce our energy using the cleanest methods.
Go to: Watts up with That, to read some very informative reads by scientists and energy experts before you take the plunge. I doubt you save all that much with a hybrid anyway unless you drive a lot and plan on keeping it. Depends on what car and how you use it.
You really do seem to enjoy hyperbole and stretching the truth.
 
Serious question, how much does it cost to install a fast charger at your house?
there are 3 levels of charging. level 1 is 120v and takes 30 hours to charge a car battery. level 2 is 220v ~20-50 amps and takes 4-10 hours to charge a car battery (most people use this at their house overnight daily). level 3 is on the road trip charge 45 minutes to charge a car full, more like 20-30 to get enough to go another 3+hours.

level 2 can be from 500 to 1000 or more depending on your setup.
level 3 isnt for home, but would be closer to 10k
 
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